Magnetic Current?

[mrbreau]

This is my contribution to the cause......fwiw.

I've included six pictures of what I've found and what the setup is. The labels indicate the O-scope settings to get what I/you see. The signal generator is set at/around 16MHz and because of the attenuator and no digital readout I can't tell you exactly what the frequency is.

The setup: consists of an antenna from an old AM clock radio inserted into some magnets (5) pulled from computer speakers. The antena is a ferrite rod wound with coated wire. The frequency generator and the scope are connected at the same place. The wooden block is there merely to keep the leads separated and off the magnets.

Point five milliseconds: is the primary shot. It shows the first expansion of the waveform. Because of the size of the *balloon* I suspect this is a 3-D image if the waveform and will be seen in later pictures. What you can't see too well is the constant movement of the perimeter of the *balloon* as it tries to find resonance(?).

Point two milliseconds: is the same *balloon* expanded. Again, you can't see the movement inside the balloon but there is constant movement there also.

One microsecond: is the same waveform in a shortened time frame(?). What is interesting here is that it is the exact same waveform from where this all started, but I only show the next shot which is "point five milliseconds" at the start.

Point one microseconds: is as far as I can go with the expansion. It shows (to me) an image of a ribbon twisting in, again, 3-D. There is one exception though. I turned off the signal generator and got another waveform. I'll post that picture when I/after I upload a video of the proccess as it is happening.

Since the proccess is easily duplicated it should not be any problem to make the video. I think it is important to SEE the movement inside each waveform as it is happening.

Also note that I don't know what I'm seeing here. It may be common knowledge to some folk but I think this is important enough to post it here. I plan on doing more experimentation with this setup to see what else develops.

I noticed while previewing this post that the pictures are out of order. The actual order of the scope shots is 2, 4, 1, 3. So, go to the third scope shot first, then the first shot, then the fourth shot and then the second shot. Sorry about that.

I hope this helps someone out there.

Warren
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[Inquorate]

Very interesting

Looks to me like what bodkins is experiencing on imhotep thread, and also gotoluc on resonance effects for everyone to share thread. I'd love to see a video, possibly a schematic also. Keep up the good work ;-) and merry xmas

[Guest]

It sure looks like the magnetoelectric wave to me. The nodes are where the maximum voltage is achieved(minimum magnetic field). The voltage nodes is the mesh in the copper cage of the Gray tube. If you look at the nodes from 90 deg. above you will see the voltage wave scroll itself out from the spark gap(or diode) in concentric circles, that picture would be fantastic to see. And the relationship between the circle diameters too(1.6 - magic number)... Look at the nervous system of your body and the nodes to transmit nerve impulses.

Thanks for a great pic, I just wrote about the magnetic current in my thread about the earth magnetic field today.

Why is it that the top of a hurricane is spraying cold air/water in a counterclockwise direction with strong vertical direction when the bottom of the tornado sucks hot air into it in a clockwise direction and a very concentric circular direction? The outside vortex of the hurricane is the electric scroll wave as mentioned above!

Inside the hurricane the magnetic vortex rotates, on the outside the electric vortex rotates. They are always together and they always balance each other by counter rotating, normally we learn about the electric wave being the center vortex and the magnetic wave is outside, this is the opposite and the magnetic wave moves a bit differently compared to electric current it seems.

Magnetic energy is cold, electric energy is hot. We just need to receive the info from nature before we build anything. That is merely my opinion though. And I have been wrong many times.........

[mrbreau]

Thaks and Merry Christmas

Thanks for the replies. I'm encouraged to continue experimenting and posting more results.

The video: so far the only thing I could see worth videoing is the background movement in the traces and the startup sequences. But today they weren't too easy to see and I'm sure the camera would not pick up the vague image I can see directly on the scope. But I do have some more to report.

I wanted to see if the scope shots I got were analmous to the ferrite rod that was already formed to an antena so I wound one today a little differently. I used a RFID ferrite bar from an IBM computer I salvaged. It took sixty turns of #20 magnet wire to fill it up because it is only three inches long. (There are two pictures of it with this post) As an afterthought I added two ferrite rings to each end of the magnets, just to see what difference, if any, it would make. They seemed to make the signal a bit clearer. And, I think I got a better trace with the new core/coil.

And BTW, polarity makes a difference in the trace. I noticed a clearer signal and more options when the probe was on the north end and the ground was on the south end. But then, there are options to the other way around too.

Anyway, here are two pictures of the new core/coil. In following post there will be more pictures. I took a total of nine pictures today. I think some of them are really awesome. And I will have to get the video of the startup, when I turn the signal generator on. It only works starting from cold, and not from reboot, to see the happening.

Warren
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[mrbreau]

More Pictures

Picture 697 is from the first post but there was no room for this picture. This is what happens when the signal generator is turned off when the scope is set at point one microseconds. This trace degrades to a thin line after a while. Then slowing down the trace or changing the volts/div it will turn into a sine wave. To me it looks like at or near resonance and decaying.

699 is the point one microsecond at full intensity and tweaked with the signal generator. Notice the volts/div switch at point two microvolts.

700 is the same trace only at a different trigger point. (It is almost like looking at the end of a piece of corrugated metal.) This is also another intriguging aspect I've found. Each trace has multiple trigger points. You will see more in the next post.

The first picture, 697 was made with the older AM analogue clock radio antena. 699 and 700 were made from the new-wound flat ferrite core. The picture shows, to me at least, a clearer signal.

Warren
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[mrbreau]

Multiple triggers

There are only two separate settings for these photos. The first three pictures are at Time/div five microseconds. The last two pictures are at point one or point two microseconds. The only thing changed in these two sets is the trigger. That is all that was changed except that this is the newly wound coil/core. But the setting remained the same throughout except the trigger.

As it turns out, there are actually seven triggers at the five microsecond level and three triggers at the other level. I captured only three of the seven and two of the three. It seems that the one with the single figure is in between the other two, which is where the picture was taken. So, is the single figure the result of a harmonic or is it the cause of it?

In the single figure there is some ACTION going on that the camera can't/won't capture. The perimeter of the figure is wavy and moving towards the node. Inside the figure the *smoke* is whirling and twisting but barely visible.

Again, in pictures 704 and 705 nothing was changed but the trigger. 704 appears to be some sort of resonance with *radiance*! Remember the picture 697 and the shutdown image in my last post? If that image was slowed down, the Time/div was turned one or two clicks faster, that same image, the darker line, would be seen.

This is getting scary.

So? There you have it for this day.

Merry Christmas or whatever.
Warren
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[mrbreau]

Resonance?

Some time ago on one of these threads someone asked to see a picture of what was called resonance.............I think that was how it went. I think it was on the "dipole" thread and I also think it was Allcanandian who suggested it. Anyway, today I was playing around with my setup and got another interesting picture.

There are two more pictures to upload. The first one (709) is the setup. I was thinking "what if" and tried to connect the two coils together to see what the output would be. Series connection proved to be the same as all the other shots so far. But connected in parallel was a different story! I think the proper terminology is *reverse parallel* for this particular setup as the north is connected to the south and the south is connected to the north. The end wires are then connected together which is then connected to the scope. What is interesting here is that the signal generator is NOT needed for this particular picture series.

The second picture (708) is what I think is a resonant circuit, one coil feeding into the other and the other feeding back into the first one. One coil shows to be a bit fuzzy while the other remains clear.

So, here are the two pictures.

Good luck to y'all.

Warren
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[Joit]

Hi,
Mind, to put one unpoled Cap at one Coil, to make some Delay?
Better maybe would be a adjustable Cap.
And a Pot or a resistor, but only a low one, about 10 Ohm, and see, if anything change.

[Electrotek]

If the signal generator isn't powering your last set up, then what is? Maybe you've found a way to tap the Earth's magnetic current? Some of these scope shots look like Barkhousen Radiation - but only SOME of them.

[mrbreau]

Thanks

@Joit
I think the adjustable cap is an excellent idea! I have a couple I've taken from some real old car radios that just might do the trick. As for resistors, it seems I've already got the lowest voltage going. But maybe that isn't all resistors do. I'm still learning this stuff as I go along.

It seems to me that whoever/whatever is guiding me here is doing it the ONLY way that works for me, one tiny step at a time.

@Electotek

I'll have to look up Barkhousen radiation. Never heard of that one. You can bet that I WILL look it up too.

In the meantime, I'll go about my business and meditate on what is happening or think is happening.

Thanks again.
Warren
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[Electrotek]

Here's the file about Barkhausen Waves that I'm aware of:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/spgen/barkhausen.htm

[mrbreau]

Interesting

Thanks for your interest. I've been to that site along with a few others to find out exactly what the Barkhausen effect was. At first I concluded that what I was seeing was NOT Barkhausen because nothing was moving. Then I realized that the magnetic flux is ALWAYS moving. So, I went back to the setup and put that radio tuner in the circuit to see what that would do. It was then clear to me that it WAS INDEED Barkhausen but ONLY if I had my finger on the tuner. Since both my hands were occupied I couldn't take any pictures. The pattern was definately Barkhausen and not the steady pattern I had first observed.

I'm in a holding pattern now, not knowing what else to try.

There is another thread here titled *magnetic battery* which had the following link. could we both be headed in the same direction?

Link; YouTube - Magnet Battery /

Warren
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[Electrotek]

My computer takes about an hour to download from youtube, so I don't have that resource.

I've read that Radient Energy has an affinity for bifilar coils. I wonder what a probe would pick up, in the center of such a coil, with the coil connected across your set-up?