Tesla's Stout copper bars "Hairpin Circuit"

[Raui]

The actual hairpin circuit isn't disclosed in a patent. It's in his lectures. On light and High Frequency Phenomena and that set of lectures () The requested page does not exist. The patent with the most similarity is Method and Apparatus for Conversion and Distribution US Patent 462,418. Hope this helps

Raui

[MrMagAmp]

Excellent work

Karl

Thank you so much for your eye-open work and the inspiration you founded in us.

I've two questions for you, the first one is simple and maybe you've said it before. The second, is more difficult.

1) I've heard that other very important factor involved in this conversion is a relation between the frequency and the capacitance. Depending the frequency of the AC electricity, you need to use capacitors of different capacitance. As you may know, I don't know the relation.

2) Another thing I've heard about the decomposition of the electromagnetic waves (I call decomposition at the process to extract radiant energy from transverse energy), is that the radiant wave can also be decomposed in other energies. In your process you show how to get the electric part, radiant energy, from the electromagnetic wave. The electric part is composed of 2 waves that are in phase in space, but 180 degrees out of phase in time. I know there is possible to use the time or anti-time wave part of the radiant energy.
do you know some reference about how to accomplish this process?

[dllabarre]

The actual hairpin circuit isn't disclosed in a patent. It's in his lectures. On light and High Frequency Phenomena and that set of lectures () The requested page does not exist. The patent with the most similarity is Method and Apparatus for Conversion and Distribution US Patent 462,418. Hope this helps

Raui

Thank you!!

[ashanin]

I can't understand one thing. Why all of you decided this is radiant energy in the circuit? This circuit is exact replica of Lecher line. Just google it and you'll see that circuit works as resonator + standing waves former, that's why bulb changes its brightness when you moving it along the bars.

Also Tesla says only about high frequency currents. There is no radiant energy in his lectures. I have original lectures on serbian and russian, english ones have some misinterpretations.

[sucahyo]

I have original lectures on serbian and russian, english ones have some misinterpretations.

Do you have lecture of Tesla in front of British Royal Society at 1893? it said to be the only time Tesla mentioning radiant in a lecture.

[ashanin]

sucahyo, What exact lecture do you mean? I know the lecture "Experiments with alternate currents of high potential and high frequency " that have been read to a British Royal society 3,4 and 19 of February 1892.

[Raui]

Ashanin,
While I was never aware of the Lecher line it still raises questions for me because the short was not the only property of this circuit that was anomalous. There is also the problem about it not electrocuting us and lighting a bulb under water. I'd love to hear some comment on this if you could.

Raui

[sucahyo]

sucahyo, What exact lecture do you mean? I know the lecture "Experiments with alternate currents of high potential and high frequency " that have been read to a British Royal society 3,4 and 19 of February 1892.

I am not sure about the year, the link bellow mention that it is not HF or HV:
Nikola Tesla - The Complete Patents of Nikola Tesla - The Man who invented the 20th Century

In this very last dramatic demonstration Tesla revealed to British Academia the disruptive electric discharge and the properties of electric rays. Tesla made a rare and complete "full disclosure" of the electric ray effect at the very end of his lecture. It was the very last time he would ever do so again in academic circles.

Tesla showed that the new radiant electricity was distinctive, having been openly proclaimed during the London Royal Society lectures. Tesla deliberately compared and contrasted the potent impulse radiance to his previous weak effects produced by alternating currents (February 1892). Fluorescent lamps and other luminous wonders held his audience spellbound. All the while his voice, tenor-like by excitement, rang throughout the silent awestruck hall.

He demonstrated wireless lamps, lit to full brilliance by radiant electricity. He ran small motors at sizable distances for his audiences to see. This last lecture represents the only recorded instance in which Tesla openly announced his discovery of the electro-radiant impulse. He tells the personally revolutionizing aspect of his discovery and how it virtually eradicates his previous work. He went to great detail verbally describing and disclosing the exact means for eliciting the phenomenon.

In his closing time Tesla quickly demonstrates special "electrostatic" motors and lamps made to utilize the radiant effect. Examination of these first lamp and vane-motor devices reveals their primitive and initial state. Tesla modeled the motor after the Crookes radiometer, stating this fact publicly for the benefit of his revered mentor. Tesla finally stated the vast implications of the discovery. He pointed their minds toward the establishment of true power transmission.

[crackahcrackah]

I can't understand one thing. Why all of you decided this is radiant energy in the circuit? This circuit is exact replica of Lecher line. Just google it and you'll see that circuit works as resonator + standing waves former, that's why bulb changes its brightness when you moving it along the bars.

Also Tesla says only about high frequency currents. There is no radiant energy in his lectures. I have original lectures on serbian and russian, english ones have some misinterpretations.

I believe that you may misunderstand what Tesla meant when he discussed "high frequency currents". From everything I can tell he used radiant energy interchangeably with "high frequency currents".

For your reference, and every one else on here, Tesla specifies what he means by high frequency currents in patent 454,622, "System of electric lighting", from line 54 to line 62:

"I would here state that by the terms "currents of high frequency and high potential" and similar expressions which I have used in this description I do not mean, necessarily, currents in the usual acceptance of the term, but, generally speaking, electrical disturbances or effects such as would be produced in the secondary source by the action of the primary disturbance or electrical effect."

[ashanin]

Ashanin,
While I was never aware of the Lecher line it still raises questions for me because the short was not the only property of this circuit that was anomalous. There is also the problem about it not electrocuting us and lighting a bulb under water. I'd love to hear some comment on this if you could.

Raui

If there are only currents of high frequency then you won't be electrocuted. And two capacitors in the schematic work like high frequency filters.

Also as i know the water is really bad conductor of HF currents. If you watch the video carefully you'll see that the bulb lighting only when it is connected to 2 wires. Disconnecting 1 wire turns the bulb off.

First i wanted to test this schematic with a spark gap and even purchased 2" copper rod... Anyway it will be easy to compare Lecher line and Hairpin.

I believe that you may misunderstand what Tesla meant when he discussed "high frequency currents". From everything I can tell he used radiant energy interchangeably with "high frequency currents".

That's why i want to make it clear about the difference of HF AC effects and raadiant. Not just to jump and say WOW, THIS IS RADIANT...

Karl in his lecture first showed rattleback (a piece of plastic) saying it is impossible to explain how it works. This is not true.


sucahyo, i need to look through the materials i have

[sucahyo]

sucahyo, i need to look through the materials i have

Thank you. I fail to find it online. I can't find even a record of that happened in the royal british society website. The only one mentioning it was Garry Vassilatos. But Sir William Crookes has believe radiant matter at 1876 (On radiant matter), referencing faraday. Maybe Tesla use radiant word by Crookes suggestion.

[crackahcrackah]

That's why i want to make it clear about the difference of HF AC effects and raadiant. Not just to jump and say WOW, THIS IS RADIANT...

HF AC is not present in the portions of the circuit where "longitudinal/radiant/scalar" events are being claimed. If you read Tesla's work and actually run through the experiment, section by section, you should understand this.

I have been planning on setting up the tesla hairpin at some point, simply as a demo for others, but I have already replicated this longitudinal effect with a micro controller, which is powered by a car battery. The point being, as Tesla demonstrated, you can get this effect with DC or AC voltage, it is an issue of the abruptness of the circuit make and break, combined with the capacitor filtration of transverse waves from what tesla called the working portion of the circuit.

I think you need to read more from the victorian era, such as Tesla's work, Crooke, and even Edison. Then study Tesla's lectures on the issue as no one else comes close to his level of empirical research on the matter.

Karl in his lecture first showed rattleback (a piece of plastic) saying it is impossible to explain how it works. This is not true.

I'm not familiar with the rattleback, but it should be noted that even if he was incorrect on that issue, it does not mean he was incorrect on another issue. The bulk of his discussion on the Tesla work was on target as far as I'm concerned. There are some things that I noted that I perceive differently, but that's simply due to what I've read vs. what he's read.

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