Aromaz Radiant Energy Joint Research Group

[Aromaz]

'wave' is just a gap filler concept for 'i don't know'.

Be it a wave, be it a particle - be it a wave-particle;
all are only theory
BUT
whatever, the proof is there that an electron is a force that carry
energy from point A to point B. If it is a particle - it is a single
item of electron moving. If it is a energy wave - it is a portion
of that wave moving.

BUT I can not see how a 'wave' can be a wave without substance,
unless........? I do not know, I can see the form but no details - yet.

[Inquorate]

Theory v experiment

Tesla publicly derided edison for not doing more theory, ''I was a witness to ... Sorry state of affairs'' or something like that. Reference was made to finding a needle in a haystack by moving each individual piece of hay..

So, whilst I understand your conviction re experimentation, I believe there must be a balance between the two.

[broli]

There's a huge difference between what I see as theory and practical formulas. For example the Maxwell's equations are theory. To consider Electro-Magnetism to be completely defined by mathematical equations is reaching the top of Mt. Ignorance.

On the other hand Faraday's formula of induction IS practical. It's just a tool for sparing time like any other tool in a workshop. Instead of finding the induction of all possible coils you can just fill in some parameters and you get a pretty good estimation. But even this has it limits with different kind inductor shapes where even more approximation formulas are used.

I have nothing against that at all. But to come up with theories and say they define everything is outrageous, ignorant, rude, moronic, stupid...

[Aromaz]

@broli; then you are the right person to ask the question that bothers me for the past 4 months.

How exactly DOES electricity work? Or do we just accept "It works".

[Mutten]

Posted wrong link earlier, but this guy is pretty good at explaining what is known in modern physics. Even though we are dealing with fringe science, we can't completely rule out whats known now.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

scroll down to number 9 for Electricity and magnetism. He follows that with Waves, light etc.

they are each about an hour long took me around a week to watch them all, but might help people get up to speed.

[sucahyo]

@Aromaz,
I will rethink again about electricity without heat. Anyone know wether BEMF can light up light bulb or not?

About "Aromaz 031 - Ignition coil wave forms on scopevideo" video. What if you measure the BEMF of low voltage part too? I attach how I measure BEMF. Based from this diagram, I believe that your circuit posted in panacea pdf DOES NOT utilize BEMF. To get BEMF the coil must be between the power source positive and NPN switch transistor collector. The BEMF should be measured between power source positive and transistor collector.

About "Aromaz 032 - Resonance and more wave forms" video. Interesting, changing polarity can change output. I agree that it is a resonance in order to get maximum output of a coil secondary. But I think you need to do test for BEMF resonance too, because max BEMF frequency may be different from max secondary output frequency.

At the start of the electron movement they are opposed by the the electron/proton set of atoms in front of them and needs to overcome that repulsing force first - that preasure is what is causing the CEMF, more excitement from electrons with no home.

There is only a small part which is in reality Back EMF and that occurs at the moment of switch opening when the free electrons - in the process of seeking the new home, can not find it. They suddenly lost their driving force from behind. That manifest itself as a spike and the electrons actually breaks completely free from the conductor into the air.

Are you saying that my recovery circuit is being powered mostly when the transistor going from off to on and not the reverse?

If I have coil and switch transistor, is it the same layout I post for BEMF measurement?




@Joit, thanks for the info, I will try it. I currently use microphone.




There is so many information available, can't we just drag any of those people who already implement it here ? joking ...., let's learn it together.

[Aromaz]

@sucahyo;
I will rethink again about electricity without heat. Anyone know wether BEMF can light up light bulb or not?
Yes, BEMF/CEMF results essentially in the same normal electricity. surely if it can burn motors out and blow electronics up - it can lit a light and drive motors too.

About "Aromaz 031 - Ignition coil wave forms on scopevideo" video. What if you measure the BEMF of low voltage part too?
I dare not connecting a scope when system is in full power. All measurements I did was just to see the coil actions with low 1.00 Vdc. Signal direct form generator through coil and scanned by scope. No circuit there.

To get BEMF the coil must be between the power source positive and NPN switch transistor collector. The BEMF should be measured between power source positive and transistor collector.
One error here. In fact forward electron flow is from the neagtive of the power source and BEMF will thus be from the load to the Negative of the power source. Electrons are negative charged particles and emited from the negative side of a power source, setting the negative chain reaction in motion within the conductor - which gives us electricity. I am anxious to complete my document!

But I think you need to do test for BEMF resonance too, because max BEMF frequency may be different from max secondary output frequency.
Resonance is in fact part BEMF, no BEMF no resonance. When talking of resoance always keep the analogy of the clidren swing in mind. Forward push (electrical pulse)...swing come back on own momentum (BEMF) you add a little more push (more forward pulse) and swing will return higher (BEMF). To reach resonance you need to time your pulse so that it hit the line just on a node at the right time so your pulse plus the BEMF force is the increased energy result. Simply tried to say.

Are you saying that my recovery circuit is being powered mostly when the transistor going from off to on and not the reverse? If you are using a coil, maybe 90% yes, 10% from the opening of switch - that is why the long line comes in to get highest BEMF. I forgot where (Think Yahoo/Google Video) - but either MIT or some Indian university had a very interesting video regarding switch closure and opening - the purpose was to explain how to reduce the BEMF risk - with coils and earthing.

[Inquorate]

Just posted this in gray motor thread in response to nat's post

I like where your thoughts are taking you. Now consider Tesla's comment that mass moving thru the aether is akin to sound travelling thru a steel beam.

Aether is the 'solid beam', mass is the 'sound wave'. Therefore what is mass? Would it be reasonable to assume, for the sake of progressing the idea, that all waves / particles / forces are in fact just travelling states of the aether?

Like your tv screen, monitor, etc that has pixels that do not move, but by changing their state, can make an image appear to move..

That's the last sneak-peak into the theory of the aether I'm working on... Next will be video presentations.

[sucahyo]

I dare not connecting a scope when system is in full power. All measurements I did was just to see the coil actions with low 1.00 Vdc. Signal direct form generator through coil and scanned by scope. No circuit there.

I mean to measure the primary only, not secondary. BEMF only need the primary coil.

One error here. In fact forward electron flow is from the neagtive of the power source and BEMF will thus be from the load to the Negative of the power source. Electrons are negative charged particles and emited from the negative side of a power source, setting the negative chain reaction in motion within the conductor - which gives us electricity. I am anxious to complete my document!

I have a free running self oscillating relay without diode, without capacitor. Since relay has coil, we should be able to know which direction the BEMF generate by putting a neon. The experiment show that you are right.

Edit: But I never see a solid state recovery circuit that using coil at negative side. I think capturing negative coil induction is only possible with mechanical switch. I guess I have to use coil at positive for my joule thief circuit.

When the coil is in positive side of the switch, the left electrode of the neon light up, indicating electron is moving from battery positive to the neon. LED will ligth up as normal

When the coil is in negative side of the switch, the top part of both electrode of the neon light up, I am confuse. LED will light up as purple for white LED, as red for green LED.


It suppose to be white LED in place of little neon, unfortunately the led refuse to light up after it light up bright purple when the relay put in negative part. It light up white when the coil put in positive part. I wish I record it. My other white led do not light up . The green one still work.

Resonance is in fact part BEMF, no BEMF no resonance.

I think max BEMF resonance might be different than max output resonance because I think each coil has it's own resonance. Max output should be be achieved at primary and secondary resonance, a harmonic resonance, which may not be at the primary frequency. While max BEMF is achieved solely at primary resonance, which may not be the secondary resonance.

I forgot where (Think Yahoo/Google Video) - but either MIT or some Indian university had a very interesting video regarding switch closure and opening - the purpose was to explain how to reduce the BEMF risk - with coils and earthing.

Ok.

[Aromaz]

@sucahyo;
But I never see a solid state recovery circuit that using coil at negative side. I think capturing negative coil induction is only possible with mechanical switch. I guess I have to use coil at positive for my joule thief circuit.

I guess it is because I am not a good Disciple - following others.

First before you really spend much more time on this quest, I would suggest to you do yourself a big favour to read up on two matters.
Google search is good enough.

A) Atom - Neutron, Proton and in particular give attention to the Electron.
i.e Google ATOM then later +ATOM+ELECTRON

C) Then and only then - do you google 'Back EMF' or 'Counter EMF' where
the following is a good start.
Counter-electromotive force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Self-Inductance

"I do not need to know physics when I want to use a microwave oven,
but I sure as hell do need to know it all if I want to design a light bulb"

[Inquorate]

@ Sucahyo

Sounds like same stuff as was happening with my circuit. Only had time today to draw up nice schematic.. I use an electric motor in place of resistor, as they kept catching fire after Bifiliar coil started screeching about 2 - 3 sec on time. I found the purple flash at mechanical spark at switch on / off purely by accident while sticking neon leg between alligator clip and transistor emitter.

Here's link to schematic:

purple+flasher.jpg (image)

Note, will still run if green wires to green coil are swapped for inner coil to outer coil and vice versa, but no purple flash or screeching.

[Inquorate]

Screeching

And coil doesn't scream (builds up in pitch, sounds awesome) with the dc motor, just with resistor. I have put 2 different 10k pots there but they both caught fire after couple of seconds..

[Aromaz]

And coil doesn't scream (builds up in pitch, sounds awesome) with the dc motor, just with resistor. I have put 2 different 10k pots there but they both caught fire after couple of seconds..

Now you got the real Back EMF - ex DC motor.

Internet info: One have to be detective and search, not only to get info - but more so to sieve reality from others. So much typically like Quantum - You get what you want, you see what you want, but your tunnel is not the same as the other persons.

Sometimes even very 'creditable' institutions does not make sense, like this one: NASA "A simulated black hole merger sends out gravitational waves."
How on earth can a computer simulate something if it was never even observed? FGS They can not even explain a black hole .... but their computers can simulate their merger ???
Space.com : When Black Holes Collide

Sounds like 1977 when a friend's father got a computer - then I thought the computer was all-knowing; much like the internet today!

Reality: A computer can only tell you what you (or someone else) told the computer first, and they do tell the computer so much.....

[mlurye]

Aromaz and all. I would highly suggest looking at Gray's Static Generator. There is not much information available on it, but I can tell you one thing certainly basic principles of it rely on principles of Gray's motor.

[mlurye]

Here you can find some information on Gray's Static Generator Free Energy | Edwin Gray.