Aromaz Radiant Energy Joint Research Group

[sucahyo]

If you still fail, then Private Message me your MSN or Yahoo chat address
we can log on same time and I will assist you to try and get it down.
The video file is about 200 mb, too big, else I could e-mail it.

Ok, I sent the PM. I will be available from monday though, I just reinstalled my yahoo messenger.

About cloud chamber, it looks very cool. I think it could show many thing. But I think I would have to pass the idea of building it for many personal reason.

[Aromaz]

I read a Comment from a Thermodynamikguy, what said,
'They know, that Heat will be transformed to Current, they only dont know how"Allways this smart Guys..,

Who said they do not know? Heat is Infrared radiation and oscillates at
a frequency of around 10,000,000 Hz. YEs, this can not work through
conducters. But you can pulse the IR through a gas tube and have wire
around getting induced current. Only - you need something like a crystal
to reduce the frequency without loosing that 0.12 eV.

.... it exist at any Magnet too....

Yes it does. And in the center of a magnet, there is another small 'magnet'
which is exactly the opposite polarity of the whole magnet. Same is present
on each pole too. If you break the magnet, this pole and center magnets
moves - to be the new center and at the new poles.

All other things seems is only moving or pump Electrons around.

This is the exact statement of what I believe. To realize that fact puts you
way ahead of many people. Now look wider, look more intense and try to
think in everything you do how it will be able to describe in terms "if what
happen is due to electrons."

If your reference of 'Newmanthing" is to the motor of Joseph Newman, save
your energy. That is such a big hoax. Do more research on internet and see
some of the actual reports of people that did build his motors - for him;
Joseph Newman (born as Joseph Westly Rogers) has collected in excess of
US$ 7,200,000 for devellopment and prototypes of his motor over the past 14
years; and still........even wanted cities and towns to pay him to prevent
floods and other disasters; based on Tesla statements of energy ability.

Joe Newmans Free Energy Claims - are they valid?
Joe Newman - free energy claimant accused of incompetance

[Joit]

Yeh, slowly i start thinking of, that it dont works with his Setup.
And there are a lot bad Things around him, i usual thought since beginning, as i have heared from his Motor, that dont run,
because there is much Scepsis and Mess around, and less working Motors.
I even read before now, someone, who buyed one from the Prototypes, for xxx$, when he let it run, the EM field from this Thing did disturb the whole TV at a Circle from a half Block.
At last, he said, he can get 0.5 Amps back into his House.
They are kinda OU, but it is not really available.

I play around with a 9v Batt, and the Spikes what comes back look like they act in a long Wave too, i think, thats the Longitudinal Wave.
They increase the Volts at the Batt, but then is a Spike again, what hits the Batt down at Voltage, and it goes like a Rollercoaster.
And at last, its mostly 0,1V what it goes down.
But some even could make it, to run it a Day just at 0,5Volt loss.
And there are still interesting Builds around.
But with this Setup it shows all the Forces, what are in there, and how they act. Right now i think about, if there is not a Way to rectify it in any Way, because they look like negative and positive Spikes.

But J. Newman looks more like a Actor, and what he did measure was, seems, the Moment, when the Spikes did come in.
But well, there is a Video
from someone, who could bring it to run.
And no clue now, how or what he did, or if it really runs, or only for a certain Time.
But at No3? i think, he did reanimate some dead Batts, and there was the Point, i go looking into it.

Btw, err, what means losing this 0,12 eV.
I found something about losses from IR, and looks like, its the same at the Motor right now.
But this Point of loss did appear for me now sometimes in fast Cycles, sometimes at very long, but it appears ..

[Aromaz]

@Joit:
The Joseph Newman motor is 'working' on CEMF concept, but it can never
produce more than what it is using. If you are interested in study the
concept; that is OK. Joseph Newman is basically using the concept of the
Bedini Windows motor, but he jammed it all up.

If you are interested in repair dead batteries, then rather use the proven and
effective John Bedini circuit. Better know as SG, SSG or Windows motor.
That I can vow for; is working very well and effective. However the time
needed (at cost of time) does not justify it. Cheaper to buy a new battery.

No, eV is not the same as you think. That is 0.12 Electron Volt - meaning
the volt per electron to released from atom. For example, to ionize (Set
free) one electron from Hydrogen atom you need 13.4 eVolt. Back to the
Heat for electricity: It is possible and very similar to the very common concept
of solar cells. It is just not as effective and economic as using magnets and copper.

[Joit]

I thought anyhow more, that the Window motor is based on Newmans machine, and it more looks like that.
He has even some different Details ie for the Pickup Coil, should more look like a half Pyramide and no Circuit in it, just the switch, but a weird Commutator, but what looks more like, that there is some Thinking behind it.
The Pdf describe something else too.

And no, its not about that i want to revive the Batts.
I did build up now 2 Bedinis, wound the Coils from it couple! Times, to see if i can increase something, made one with 3 Coils, and still play around with it.
When a Batt dont works anymore, i trow it, because mostly it means, its pysical damaged.

But at this Video it looks more he did get a totaly empty Batt.
It was empty, he turned the shaft, and put some electrons in, and that was enough for the Motor to start to spin.
That means, it Did give more Energy as it do take.
But seems that is a single Exemplar, where it worked.
I know that Stefan Hartman from Ou.com played around with it, and couldnt say its OU and Naudin did make Experiments too, guess even with good Results.
But mostly they just dont work, or suck the Batt out.
But its otherwise interesting, when you put a empty Batt on it, and you spin it for few Kicks. how much Torque there is still in, when the Comutator close.
It sounds like a little Tank anyhow, and there are more Vids at Youtube, where they wrap endless Wires around, or Flatbandcables, and consumtion is very very less from this.
That is interesting, and even, when i put a normal 7V Dc motor on my 9V Block, its faster Empty as with this.
Well, you should do a simple one, its fun .
Just a screwdriver for the Shaft, a PVC Tube, bearings, i did take washers, wires, and a simple switch or Comutator, then you can see, what i mean, because, you only can see that by yourself.
Or maybe better wait, till someone did figure it out, how it is really usefull :P.


and Oohk, first time i can remeber, that i ve heared about eV, but i am not really familiar with this concept.
And with this Solar Panel, i am pretty sure, they could be better, but if they would wanna make them better, but
everyone would take them, and use them, and they can put her Powerstations else where.
I remeber first time, i guess, they said, they are more effective as conventional Generators, but there was suddenly a big Hole at the Progress from the Cells,
and they turned very weak out. I think, even the first Protoypes been better, as the follow ups.
Today they do look smarter, but i think, the Knowhow is still supressed.
I did hear some doubts about Solar too, because some said, the Energy or heat what is taken from the Cells is gone forever.

But photovolatic brings me only back again, that there is a load seperation at Current, so there is still negative and positive Potential. Sigh.
But maybe its the aligment of the Electrons, what makes the Load,
like 2 Electrons /\ like this aligned, or \/ like this aligned, and are bound with a Neutron or Ion.

[Aromaz]

Ok, I sent the PM. I will be available from monday though, I just reinstalled my yahoo messenger.
About cloud chamber, it looks very cool. I think it could show many thing. But I think I would have to pass the idea of building it for many personal reason.

@sucahyo;
No problem, please see your PM for more details.

[Aromaz]

True Radiant Energy

OK, it is weekend and I am back on track in my peaceful lab with my own dream world.

The heading of this thread is “Aromaz Radiant Energy Joint Research Group” and from my
current work, there is in fact way out more claim on the “Radiant Energy” part.

For those who might be interested, here are two interesting pieces to read; and this is
not meant as a pun to another posting, it is just because I did some earlier study into
this direction. Now I actually sort of completed a circle, ending back at the beginning
from more than a month ago. Reason why I will share some of this is because it works
- and it does not work. Maybe someone here can contribute to the concept.

First is an article, though not reflecting on the Alfred Hubbard issue, but describing the
operations and work condition of the US Radium Company in Pittsburg. What you can
see is how much Radium, even only a few grams, did illuminate the people and environment.
Damn Interesting » Undark and the Radium Girls

The next piece is part of a biography from Dr. Marie Curie who discovered Uranium.
This contain quite a lot of interesting bits and pieces. In particular of interest to me was
how M. Curie used to measure the radiation.
Lateral Science - Discovery of Radium, by Marie Curie

About Radium:
Radium is available from both natural and laboratory sources, but the price is quite high
and extremely restricted by Atomic Board. I know of a source for Radium in Africa,
but this will need quite a big investment for which I will not be able to get funding now.
The country where this Is located is one of the poorest in all of Africa and mining
in this country is extremely difficult.

The result: for the present I have to work around Radium and see about other options,
though way less potent, these can still reach the potential to prove the concept. Should it
work, a very poor country in Africa will become one of the richest countries in the world,
almost overnight. This country and its coming wealth is even mentioned in the Quaran!

Bottom line: I can not use or work with Radium, so I have to look for other options. So
what are the other optional minerals? Polonium, Actinium, Thorium, Selenium, Radon,
Cesium. It turns out there are a number of minerals that does have nucleus decay and
Which is potentially releasing enough electrons and neutrons for using in my experiments,
but they are either completely restricted by International Atomic Board; or their half-life is
too short for practical use. Polonium-214 decayus in 160 micro seconds, -218 in 3 minutes.
On the other side of the scale is U-238 with 4.5 billion years, Thorium with 77,000 years.

The problem is that the short half-life means it is releasing a serious burst of energy and
Then gets weak too quick to be of value. The long half-life minerals on the other hand,
release low radiation and will not be strong enough for my purpose. It turns out that if
I want to continue this option I have only two options: Radium with 1,600 year half life
which makes it the most suitable, or Lead-201 with 22 year half-life.

This I have to admit: I never knew of lead being radioactive; so I embarked on a long and
very interesting study of this isotope of Lead, the production and properties. It turns out that
there is a chain relation from Lead-214 to Bismuth-214 to Polonium-214 which after a period
of only 160 microseconds decay into Lead-210. So, you need to start the sequence from
way up – at Radium. The other option is to reverse the process from normal Lead-206 and
bombard it with Gamma ray and alpha particles to Polonium-210 – bombard this one with
beta particle to become Bismuth-210 which you do again with Beta and gamma to get Lead-201.
Now all of this sounds easy – but it is complicated laboratory procedures.

Lastly for this post: People might be concerned about ‘Nuclear” because of the word alone.
The good news is that both Radium and Lead-210 does not penetrate through steel – or many
other barriers for that matter; thus it is very easy and safe to contain the radiation.

What I am trying to convey here is just this: IT CAN BE DONE IN LABORATORIES.
There is NO excuse why Mini Radiant Electrical Generators can not be built and supplied
to each and every household in the world.

To be continued.

[Inquorate]

Update

I'm putting all projects on hold, and picking ren's brain about a veljko milkovic 2 stage oscillator using a unique method to push the pendulum and have it driving a crank with flywheel to bicycle gearbox and chain to bedini wheel...

Just thought I'd drop in and let ppl know what I'm up to.

[Aromaz]

No problem, I am also going to be reading here to stay update, and post less.
Will have shareholders (Alternative energy) meeting 5 March, so I am preparing presentation, business plan and slide shows for them.

[sucahyo]

Interesting link, I just knew this:
"Certain of them carry a positive charge and form the Alpha rays; others, much smaller, carry a negative charge and form Beta rays. The movements of these two groups are influenced by a magnet. A third group is constituted by the rays that are insensible to the action of a magnet, and that, we know to-day, are a radiation similar to light and to X-rays".

Lastly for this post: People might be concerned about ‘Nuclear” because of the word alone.
The good news is that both Radium and Lead-210 does not penetrate through steel – or many other barriers for that matter; thus it is very easy and safe to contain the radiation.

Would aether can became a carrier of this radiation and thus able to carry it past a steel? For example an aether generating device close to a container of radioactive material.


Reading radium lead me to find this:
What carries a spark through a gas, which mention a possibility of spark weight 1/1800 of smallest atom.

and
Joseph John Thomson,
"In this lecture I wish to give an account of some investigations which have led to the conclusion that the carriers of negative electricity are bodies, which I have called corpuscles, having a mass very much smaller than that of the atom of any known element, and are of the same character from whatever source the negative electricity may be derived."

[Bodkins]

Aromaz



This is a difference between you and I. I am open to learn fundamentals that allow for the at will production of, and utilization to a social value (DC/AC).

You say you know, but in the knowing there is nothing produced of value... except the words and your interpretations. I say this not to provoke anything more than being open to other possibilities.

If your answers were that knowingly precise, you surely wouldn't need any of us here. But you do.

The DC/AC conversation is argued in countless circles, so far few existing arguments have produced anything new to the marketplace.

When our minds are filled with words of certainty, surely new distinctions and interpretations are less likely. I am not your enemy in the pursuit of new energies, but a friend reflecting upon what all say, think and share.

Ego is but our common enemy to discovery. Either of us making this personal, would likely be a mistake for both.



Peace Brother.

You truely have a open mind more an I, My stand point with Amoraz Has always been different.
I see the ego as a problem because it works in logic and not all things are Logical, Is the BIG BANG theory Logical No, but people believe it!
Everyone talks of radioactive material, If you look at it from the angle of Primary Phyice you will see that the Material is radiating Matter because it is from the fire and earth stressfield(40 secords YouTube - Think out of the BOX Primary Phyics)

I see all free energy devices as Primary Phyics Machines but that takes a Leap of Faith of understand to see the process.

Im going to keep banging on about this until people start listening.


ps carbon dating? everything is carbon from the static carbon potentcal (THE ETHER)

[Joit]

mm@Bodkins
Can you give an Example of a Free Energy device, what works, and is replicable?
Because, even when i try, its hard, to think at one.

And what means cardon cardon?

And how would it looks like, when the Atoms at Metals just are different aligned, what makes a Magnetfield, and this gives the Potential of Things.
And the Power you can get from them is a PM/EM field what collide with the Atoms and Associations from the other Potential.

[Aromaz]

The KNOW of the EGO

@Suchayo;

As for me - Aether = Electrons/Neutrons.
Both your references above are to what we know today as electrons.
They were just written before the understanding of the working in the atom.

The Positive ones = Protons
The negative ones = Electrons
The ones that goes through all = Neutrons

Alpha rays = light = Protons
Betta rays = Electrons
Gamma rays = Nuclear rays

Aether is said to be a fluid medium; Good. Maybe they are right. Can they prove it to me?
For me it does not make ‘logic’ it is not ‘explainable’ therefore I can not ‘understand’.
On the other side; if I take the Universe and everything in this Universe and I say
“It is all electrical’ then I can understand, I can know – and best of all – it is logical.
I still need to find any question that is not explainable by means of the electrical phenomenon.

For many this is not acceptable; they are welcome. Unless they can come up with irrefutable proof otherwise, they are just theorizing – and theory alone is cheap by the ton. In the mean time I am logical and I am realistic and I am comfortable with what I already know – and I am comfortable in what I am still learning about – so that I can Know more.

For me the word ‘Know’ does not mean the same as ‘copy’. You can only KNOW when you fully UNDERSTAND and you are able to answer all questions from all directions. Should you fail to have all answers, then you do not UNDERSTAND therefore you do not KNOW.

[Aromaz]

I see all free energy devices as Primary Phyics Machines but that takes a Leap of Faith of understand to see the process.

Well, it does take a huge leap of faith, maybe that is why only some people can 'see' these energy devices working - in their strong 'faith' and spiritual eye. As for me, if the process does not yield the result - results that everyone can see; like pushing the light switch and see the light come on - than such energy device is like my old time pastor told me "You just got to believe".

Often in the world there are fanatics that come along and tell people "You just got to believe". I am happy and proud in my ego to say: I do not believe unless there is proof beyond doubt"

[Bodkins]

Sound has information of structure

YouTube - Science fun


the question is what is sound? it goes from loud to quite
like heat goes from hot to cold
and the magnet goes north to south


Will do a video on the sg bedini and why if you connect it to ground you get OU in the batterys.

Lidmotor is seeing the same thing with the joule thief when he started using the ground.

Slayer is doing it too with the crystal radio stuff he it working on.
They will get OU and I can explain what is happening.

Its in the stressfield of the Air fighting the stressfield of the Ground thats all,
It pushers and pulls the ether out to different degree`s.

I just what to help, for us ALL TO BE FREE
Im not here to fight Im here to live.


Aromaz
And let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the spirit.

For love that seeks aught but the disclosure of its own mystery is not love but a net cast forth: and only the unprofitable is caught.

And let your best be for your friend.

If he must know the ebb of your tide, let him know its flood also.

Take Care Aromaz
Like you Say Aromaz
Therefore we need to find NEW ways, NEW experiments and NEW lines of thoughts.