Aromaz Radiant Energy Joint Research Group

[Aromaz]

HV Radiant Pick up of Inquorate

@Inquorate
I will try to explain, but if you do not understand please talk to me and I can try to make drawing; or expand on the words.

1. We know for a fact now that Universal (Radiant ?) energy passes right through most materials.
2. We also know that our circuits generates plenty of HV in the environment, as can be picked up by neon light in hand all over.
3. We need something to measure the energy we are picking up be it HV or Radiant; and I think you are on to something here.

Suggest to try the following:

A: Rather than bell, try to make a parabolic pick up. Can use ball and slice about 1/3 off. Now, cover with 5 layers of material:

Layer #1 – copper of aluminum foil, no problem either through steel would actually be better = I think.
Layer #2 – di-electric, can use few layers of cling wrap
Layer #3 – must be copper foil
Layer #4 – Same as # 2
Layer #5 – same as # 1

In the center make a small hole, depending on your wire size.
Insert the wire/conductor which should be something like coaxial (OK) or impedance wire (Better)– wire in center. Typical this is the type with wire in the core, plastic insulation around it and then weaved wire covered with another insulation. TV antenna wire is OK.

Connect the outer shield wire to the two outer layers of your pick-up.
Connect the inner core of the wire to the center copper/brass layer.

Connect LED or Neon to the inner core wire
Connect another to the outer shield wire.

Yes, this device will act like a type of capacitor, and it will also be possible that he two outer layers will act as primary to the inner secondary, but it would be good to try and experiment…..maybe.

What I THINK ! (Dangerous words) – All energy will hit the pick-up. Both the radiant and HV will charge the outer layers and light up that indicator. The Radiant will pass through and charge the inner brass, which normal HV will not do. It is sort of the inner brass in protected in kind of Farraday cage shield. If it is radiant and it charges the core copper, it will light up the main target neon.

Now, either way, you have a device that will also be very useful just in HV environment.

Next possible step:
The two neon light could be replaced by small Mercury vapor like balls – will probably have to manufacture this. Later I foresee this to be small spheres filled with gas similar to that in CFL or Fluorescent. This will light up. The intensity of that light is then measured to give indicator of strength.

Another option to play with is to change the pick up head from solid to be bifilar wound conical pancake coils i.e. Tesla pancake style.

[Aromaz]

@Inquorate - Forgot one option:
You can still use your bell, just cover it inside and outside with di-electric and conductor layers.

[Inquorate]

Detector

Good thinking.

I'll try several setups today, and see which works better, right after I make my improved spark gap, I got some neomagnets :-) to quench gap...

:-) :-) :-)

It's the little pleasures in life :-)

[sucahyo]

@Aromaz, I have a suspicions that even if the amp meter show it as low current, at the instant the current pass the coil it will use maximum amp for the coil. For instance if the coil has 2 ohm resistance, and the voltage is 12 V the current would be 6 amp at that instant. So if the wire can't handle that amp, it will get too hot, damage the enamel and make it shorted.

About radiant detector, how about attaching it to volt meter?

For material, how about using copper rod inside an iron pipe combination like used in ground battery commonly used in telegraphic era?


What is the difference between HV radiation and radiant energy?

[Aromaz]

@sucahyo;

Cable:
One of the courses I am doing now is transmission of power - i.e. cable and even hollow tubes, etc. Will know more in a few days. At present I would say copper pipe inside steel pipe will work - should; but it is much more expensive and labour than the coaxial or impedance cable.

HV vs Radiant:
The biggest difference I can state now is that HV is a result of conductance, normal electricity – and it does not pass through another conductor. One good example is the use of the Faraday cage: HV inside does not affect things outside since the steel of the cage blocks the HV. Same test I have already done, HV through coaxial cable does not light neon along cable, but through HV ignition coil cable it does.

On the other hand (though this is still be completed in our intended exercise regarding ‘Defining energies) – radiant energy is aether related and thus passes right through other substances i.e. plastic, insulation, glass - including conductors like copper, steel, etc. Radiant energy has similar behavior as magnetic flux. Though it passes right through, it does cause an effect.

This simple test should confirm weather a person is working with Radiant/aether/vacuum/universal/zero point energy or just normal electricity.

THIS above is my current view - I still stand to be corrected, as said on Imhothep – I am learning; very hard.

[samedsoft]

Dear Aromaz,

We have replaced coil with another one. It works fine.

We did not attached spark gap system... We use 12 Volt battery and current is high... I guess 1-2 A from the battery.

We cant figure out how you managed to lower the current draw???

We could not energize the 240 V 250W Philips IR lamp http://www.infraredheaters.com/image...0250%20001.JPG

But we succeeded in flourascent lamps..

Please help us on how to lower current draw to 10 mA with 12 V system depicted on the below pdf, page 13..

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Tesla's%20HV%20impulse%20lighting%20methods-Imhotep's%20Radiant%20Oscillator.pdf

Do you think we Polyphase transformers may increase energy output?

Nuri Temurlenk
Turkey

[Vortex]

@Inquorate - Forgot one option:
You can still use your bell, just cover it inside and outside with di-electric and conductor layers.

Electrical tape does not directly shield, what do I mean?
Going back to the carrot, I like the carrot and you can eat it later.
Stick a neon bulb into a carrot, wrapping
electrical tape around it does not restrict human touching effect in
making the neon light brighter, if grasping the carrot on the electrical
tape.. it does shield light touching, but not grasping/holding.

Silicone is no good also, which was a surprise.

I can only tell you of what is or isn't working with very low HV.
How low is low, 6 volts source but this aspect scales up nicely?!?!

Shielding, removal of human touch from the observed effect would be a good thing, thus allowing observations of true effects not BLEED through human touching effects.


Plastic pliers anyone? How is plastic evaluating.

Some Observing, little
Randy

[Aromaz]

Electrical tape does not directly shield......
....Plastic pliers anyone? How is plastic evaluating.

Agree, with HV to make a reasonable plastic kind of shielding it has to be at least 1mm thick for every 1,000 volt DC. So if you want to shield you will have to use the 'magnetic way' - give it something else to re-direct. For this purpose is what I suggest the coaxial and/or impedance cables. You use the core cable and then the outer shield you use as barrier.

Optionally but much more technical is to use hollow shielded tubes and transmit the HV energy as electromagnetic pulsed waves. This is beneficial since there is virtually no resistance.

This far with my observations in the lab here, I find human hand visibly affect on lights running unshielded 28,000 volt is within range of 40cm, so I will assume that human hand will have effect in HV environment of maybe 2cm per 1Kv.

[Aromaz]

Dear Aromaz,
.... Please help us on how to lower current draw to 10 mA with 12 V system depicted on the below pdf, page 13..
Nuri Temurlenk
Turkey

@Nuri, I will need some time to go through what you are doing and see where somthing is wrong. At present until Tuesday next week I am fully busy with boat customers - big orders, so I have only short time before work day and in night to be here in lab and on computer.

At this stage I will say, play around with moving your earth wire connection to different places on the circuit - i.e. Coil HV to fluorecent tube to earth, Base of 2222 to earth, emitter of 2222 to earth, etc.

The time we had lowest amp draw was with 1x12v battery, 1xKSP2222A, 1x ST 2N3055 master (TO-3), 3x ST 2N3055 slaves (TO-3), 1x 12v ignition coil
50cm automotive plug wire to 3x21W CFL tubes in series with earth wire on other side of CFL tubes. Short 50cm antenna on base of 2222 transistor.

If I remember right the amp draw was as low as 30 milli amp.

[Aromaz]

@samedsoft

One more thing I was thinking of earlier:
The ignition coil must not have the build in resistor or capacitor/condensor.
Most of the later/newer models have these internal.

[sucahyo]

@Aromaz,

I see, thanks. About HV vs Radiant, I think in that case I will categorize the HV as radio frequency or electromagnetic.

Is there a way to make HV vissible? iron dust? laser in smoke?

[Aromaz]

@Aromaz,
I see, thanks. About HV vs Radiant, I think in that case I will categorize the HV as radio frequency or electromagnetic.
Is there a way to make HV vissible? iron dust? laser in smoke?

Now THAT is the difficult parts. See, MOST of what we have in our current circuit(s) is in fact plain High voltage in two forms - The pulsing and the back EMF.

Kill me for this if you want - but that is the unfortunate truth.

However, do not despair - there is also some Radiant/Universal energy - though small amount. The problem we do face now is how to separate them; how to measure radiant and how to increase the radiant portion – THEN only can we really start to think about getting the radiant directly.

I hope to see you all working here together and do this with a clear sober mind. Now the date changed and I need to get some sleep. Guests are tiresome!

[sucahyo]

Ok .

About goal, what is the spesific goal you want to achive first?

Powering electronic with little input?
Efficient charging?
Low power lighting?

[Aromaz]

Ok .
About goal, what is the spesific goal you want to achive first?
Powering electronic with little input?
Efficient charging?
Low power lighting?

Ultimate to power light and drive motor.

BUT:

for now: To understand what exactly we are working with is th emost important, once we have that the rest will be easy.

[Inquorate]

Update

Still working on detector, have made a cool spark gap... Detector ideas/designs coming fast, will share what I've been finding soon.