Aromaz Radiant Energy Joint Research Group

[Allcanadian]

@Inquorate

@ allcanadian - nature is simple. Like the process of cell division that made me in my mother's womb, like the arrangement of energy that gives rise to my consciousness, which is all so well understood, like how all linear systems fall into chaos in exactly the same way indicating high order underlying chaos, like, like ah, no hang on, I disagree. If nature was simple mankind would be in bed with her.
I do agree that she is not unnecessarily complex though :-)

"how all linear systems fall into chaos in exactly the same way indicating high order underlying chaos", Does that sound correct? If this were the case then we and everything we know would be nothing more than randomly dispersed gasses drifting in cold space billions of years ago. One thing science should have noticed long ago is that in one instance nature tears things apart and in the next cycle she builds them back up. Disintegration must lead to integration, but we only notice one half of the cycle. You could say we are one part of the other half of the cycle as are all living things. A tree will utilize randomly dispersed gasses. light and chemicals to grow, in this case we could say the tree has made order from chaos in order to grow. On a larger scale we know earth is growing as well, space dust and other debrise continually fall on our planet due to its gravitational force and this material is integrated into the life cycle--order from chaos. It should be obvious that if other planets or bodies never disintegrated this matter into space then the earth could never integrate them as you cannot utilize what does not exist. Nature balances every equation whether we will admit it or not, when we start to understand this simple fact I think we will understand many things.
Regards
AC

[mlurye]

Hi Aromaz,
I would suggest you to read this post http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post43208 by Mark McKay, PE.
The most interesting one is number 9.

[Aromaz]

Hi Aromaz,
I would suggest you to read this post http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post43208 by Mark McKay, PE.
The most interesting one is number 9.

I have read similar 'analysis' and that just proves my point of above:
It might have been, but now it is lost and everybody is trying to
copy/duplicate without knowing what they really are trying to do.

If JB who is much more informed with EV Gray did not duplicate,
if Hackenburger failed and so many other 'light see-ers' failed;
Why should I walk the same road? Neither me nor anybody alive
in the world today knew the exact path of thoughts EV Gray had, we do
not understand the man - so how can we hope to copy his work.

As for #9 - that tells us exactly - nothing, zero. In the early 1960's
they are talking of 'ignition coil' you think Automotive ignition coil.
Was it automotive? Maybe some of those big coils used in DE train
locomotives? Maybe a large compressor pump’s ignition coil?
Whichever may be or might not be. Fact is in those early 1950's
coils and solenoids were synonyms.

On the other hand, we know much more about Tesla - his way of thinking,
his views and his personality - so better to spend energy in that direction
- IF you have to follow someone.

As for me - I prefer to - and do walk - my own path.

[mlurye]

I have read similar 'analysis' and that just proves my point of above:
It might have been, but now it is lost and everybody is trying to
copy/duplicate without knowing what they really are trying to do.

If JB who is much more informed with EV Gray did not duplicate,
if Hackenburger failed and so many other 'light see-ers' failed;
Why should I walk the same road? Neither me nor anybody alive
in the world today knew the exact path of thoughts EV Gray had, we do
not understand the man - so how can we hope to copy his work.

As for #9 - that tells us exactly - nothing, zero. In the early 1960's
they are talking of 'ignition coil' you think Automotive ignition coil.
Was it automotive? Maybe some of those big coils used in DE train
locomotives? Maybe a large compressor pump’s ignition coil?
Whichever may be or might not be. Fact is in those early 1950's
coils and solenoids were synonyms.

On the other hand, we know much more about Tesla - his way of thinking,
his views and his personality - so better to spend energy in that direction
- IF you have to follow someone.

As for me - I prefer to - and do walk - my own path.

Aromaz,
He is talking about automotive ignition coil, if you will look at Free Energy | Edwin Gray's Solid-stated Power Supply Photos you will notice that the size of the box is small.
And in number 9 he is mentioning special coil and the way I understood, it's about feedback winding (your original self oscillating idea)
Tesla, Gray and Moray have common principles in their work and that what makes their projects unique (It's my humble opinion).

[niidji]

Aromaz - You quoted the following, "As JB said himself – "this energy is good for lights – not motors".".

What is the source, video or writing, of this quote?

Larry Friend

[Joit]

Aromaz - You quoted the following, "As JB said himself – "this energy is good for lights – not motors".".

What is the source, video or writing, of this quote?

Larry Friend

You dont trust it when Aromaz say/write it?
Why do you want to know it, when i can ask ?
Its pretty obviously, when you did once work with it, that you cant do much load at the Charge side, or it slows the whole System down.
The system right now run from 0,020A, average at 0,3A, bigger till 2~5 Amps, but that is the same, what you could use as load, Plus its pulsed output.

[Inquorate]

Ne-2

Thanks for the NE-2 info, Aromaz. Verifies some of what I'd been deducing..

NOW, just gotta figure out what is difference between transistor switch and mechanical spark switch, that would create different light.

[Mutten]

Thanks for the NE-2 info, Aromaz. Verifies some of what I'd been deducing..

NOW, just gotta figure out what is difference between transistor switch and mechanical spark switch, that would create different light.

this has been buggin me with my psuedo tesla coil I've been playing with.

I took some pics of the 2 stage spark gap I have setup to drive the primary coil.

first spark gap is coming from the ignition coil to a spark plug, that's going to a capacitor that's discharging to a second spark gap.

The cap makes the light different, not sure how, I don't have any instruments to measure the voltage that high.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/tesla008.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/tesla009.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/tesla010.jpg

the spark coming from the spark plug is actually more purple than my camera is picking up.

[Aromaz]

Thanks for the NE-2 info, Aromaz. Verifies some of what I'd been deducing..

NOW, just gotta figure out what is difference between transistor switch and mechanical spark switch, that would create different light.

Well, there are three differences.

A: The transistor is using more time to peak due to required break down of dielectric. Pico-seconds. Where the mechanical switch is momentary from 0 to peak.

B: The transistor, due to the way it works, will allow a little CEMF to pass back upon closure due to time it takes from peak to valley - caused by dielevtric being 'discharged' first; where on mechanical it is again momentary.

So if I keep on talking of time for action in transistor being longer, then why can the mechanical not work better? Because of the time the mechanical contactor needs to move from close to open to close again - and that distance needs to be bigger than the potential arc - The off time can barely be less than milli second.

C: The mechanical switch makes a small spark at closure and opening which could also have an effect of drawing in electrons from air (aether) while this is not present in transistor.

[Aromaz]

Thanks for the NE-2 info, Aromaz. Verifies some of what I'd been deducing..

NOW, just gotta figure out what is difference between transistor switch and mechanical spark switch, that would create different light.

The following might also be of interest - analysis of spark in gas medium

Expt. 8-5: Spectra of Sparks

[sucahyo]

@Inquorate, I can replicate your purple neon only with secondary coil. I don't know why I can't light up my neon on recovery part today. The neon glow purple when I make spark. It is brighter when the cable is fully connected, it is dimmer but has purple color when semi connected. Maybe it happen because what flowing is different kind of electricity. It would be nice if it is. Or voltage raised higher on spark connection activating Argon, current drop and make it dimmer?

YouTube - Inquorate purple neon replication with spark gap



@Joit, more power more BEMF. coil in parallel draw more amp resulting in more BEMF. coil in series reduce amp draw resulting in less BEMF. If you have coil on both before the switch and after the switch, you can have two recovery circuit.

Warning to everyone experimenting with negative BEMF, coil in negative side, don't use high power or you will broke the transistor.


@Aromaz, I will watch the video. Nice info on neon .

Short pulse with no magnetic is said to be quoted from Tom Bearden:

To extract the Zero-Point energy according to Bearden, NO CURRENT must flow in your collection element during the 'charging' time. If no current flows, NO MAGNETIC FIELD is generated either. Subsequently, no collapsing field results,
and no reverse-polarity flyback pulse is generated.

Instead, your collection element is 'charged' by ATTEMPTING to flow current in a conductor such as a long length of wire, POSSIBLY, but not necessarily, in a coiled form. See Figure 2.

As an example, use a length of wire 1000 feet long. Switch a voltage from a battery across it for a period of time that is LESS than what is needed for CURRENT to begin flowing. At about 1 foot per nanosecond, you'll need less than 1 microsecond. When the switch (FET1) is opened, there will be no flyback (reverse polarity) pulse, because NO current flowed while FET1 was ON, so NO magnetic field was built-up

Ok, we can not amplify energy, maybe we get the amplification from "outside source".

What I mean by noise is what usually suppresed by engineer of commercial product and what free energy experimenter trying to amplify.


About transistor, I can light up little neon with oscillating relay, and it would only light up when I touched the positive when using joule thief, even when the joule thief has much much more powerfull BEMF. Joule thief can light up bulb or fan, the relay can not.


About BEMF, anyone has theory why BEMF happen in both direction? why there is positive and negative BEMF? relate to this video:
YouTube - How BEMF happen #1, LED version
YouTube - How BEMF happen #1


About ether, still learning. I guess I have to watch that 26 hours video first.

Why same reaction can absorb heat or emit heat? H2O to H2 and O2 will absorb heat if electrolized using voltage bellow 1.23 but emit heat if above that.

[Inquorate]

More neon talk

I don't think my neons have radioactive elements in them to help lower start voltage, here's why;

When I keep making purple flashes, I gets harder to do. If I try another one it works well, for a while. If I try the first one again later, it's back to being easy.

So, I think the Gasses ionizing actually reduces effect.

@ Aromaz, interesting that link you posted - neither neon or argon gas produce the colour I see. And yet I see it...

@ Sucahyo, thanks for your replication! Ps purple easier to make in moment of switch on; once neon orange, Gasses are ionized and purple hard to make. Also, in my circuit at switch on electrons ignore neon, travel thru one wire in Bifiliar coil back to battery pos. Induction causes other Bifiliar wire to charge opposite direction of battery terminal with some delay due to magnetic field in core. Switch off causes peak voltage that smashed into neon; then reversal of mag field and current as BEMF; all of these events encounter resistance and so aether snaps back and forward with extreme vigour.

@ all, I'm going to do some experiments with other bulbs. I have a xenon strobe light, and I'll try out tungsten argon ones, and I'll vacuate some bulbs etc......

As soon as I find the time.

[niidji]

You dont trust it when Aromaz say/write it?
Why do you want to know it, when i can ask ?
Its pretty obviously, when you did once work with it, that you cant do much load at the Charge side, or it slows the whole System down.
The system right now run from 0,020A, average at 0,3A, bigger till 2~5 Amps, but that is the same, what you could use as load, Plus its pulsed output.

I ask because I have a Bedini wheel and have read all I can find and watched all I can find also. I have not encountered that statement by JB and would like to know the source taht I may read it or listen to it myself.

Are you Aromaz by another name or someone else?

[Inquorate]

Switch spark

I'm at work now, but thinking about Aromaz's statement before where mechanical switch creates spark at switch on / off. and how spark continues 'on' time. If really quick on time with dc in a long wire like bearden comment Sucahyo posted, then no real current flowing. And voltage momentarily increases, creating spark longer than source voltage can supply ...... Drum roll ...... Which needs current to sustain it's arc..

Can it be that simple?

[Aromaz]

I ask because I have a Bedini wheel and have read all I can find and watched all I can find also. I have not encountered that statement by JB and would like to know the source taht I may read it or listen to it myself.
Are you Aromaz by another name or someone else?

I am me and me alone; both with my general all over used avitar and real name as below.

My data of J Bedini projects are more than 3.4 GB; mostly text, plus I am member of three forum groups of Bedini. I have a reasonably sharp memory for facts though I do not always keep record of source unless same is source for many facts. To go around those massive amounts of date to get you an source reference --- nope, I definately do not have the time.

However, once you have your batteries nicely conditioned and get somewhere like COP 1.27 on SSG, eat the pudding:

Take the same rated battery, charge up normal,
now get a small motor and run from that battery, time it.
Run same motor from radiant charged battery and time that too.

Then please come back and tell us your findings.