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**DavidE** · 02-20-2009, 03:36 PM

Aromaz

My dear friend, I can give you the answers, but I think I am going to go a
different route from here. Sometimes I will give anwers for free, other times I
will guide you to find the answers yourself.

Answers? You are a trip.

<head swings back to work, diligently working on reading comprehension>

�The ego is not master in its own house.�
-Sigmund Freud

**Aromaz** · 02-20-2009, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by DavidE View Post

Aromaz

Answers? You are a trip.
<head swings back to work, diligently working on reading comprehension>
�The ego is not master in its own house.�
-Sigmund Freud

Quite a reference from someone that does not even know the difference
between AC and DC electricity - and plowing around a forum that is trying
to do something unique with such electricity.

At least sucahyo to whom that reply was aimed is asking a much more
inteligent question.

**DavidE** · 02-20-2009, 04:37 PM

Aromaz

Quite a reference from someone that does not even know the difference between AC and DC electricity - and plowing around a forum that is trying to do something unique with such electricity.

This is a difference between you and I. I am open to learn fundamentals that allow for the at will production of, and utilization to a social value (DC/AC).

You say you know, but in the knowing there is nothing produced of value... except the words and your interpretations. I say this not to provoke anything more than being open to other possibilities.

If your answers were that knowingly precise, you surely wouldn't need any of us here. But you do.

The DC/AC conversation is argued in countless circles, so far few existing arguments have produced anything new to the marketplace.

When our minds are filled with words of certainty, surely new distinctions and interpretations are less likely. I am not your enemy in the pursuit of new energies, but a friend reflecting upon what all say, think and share.

Ego is but our common enemy to discovery. Either of us making this personal, would likely be a mistake for both.

Peace Brother.

**boguslaw** · 02-20-2009, 06:06 PM

DavidE

I'm glad there are people with open mind, who does consider others ideas as having some (even if little) probability of truth, however crazy it looks from starting point.Your answer gives me a hope , thank you.

P.S. Sorry for my poor English language.

**everwiser** · 02-20-2009, 08:37 PM

The marketplace is what's wrong with science, investigation, development, and the world. "Getting things into the marketplace" is why all these endeavors fail. In every marketplace there are those who have cornered it. Try to take a piece of their pie and you (being an insignificant person with an idea but no resources to play their game) will lose and lose every time. The only reason a lot of these things are gaining any ground at all is due to open-sourcing. Spread out the information and the risk. If enough people know about it and are using it, suppression becomes a lost cause.

**Joit** · 02-21-2009, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by DavidE View Post

Aromaz

This is a difference between you and I. I am open to learn fundamentals that allow for the at will production of, and utilization to a social value (DC/AC).

Peace Brother.

Sorry, maybe not my Part, but...
We, or most Writer in that Thread try to find Fundamentals, just look some pages back, most here try to figure out, and the Answers are still open.

I cant see, where He says, he do know all, and even if Someone do, its still good, when you share your Knowledge with others, for comparison.
I know more worse Peoples here, what just give you a Link, and say, 'This Works, build that'.

And anyhow, they tried to answer your Question good as they can, and even detailed.

Your Statement about Aromaz now more looks like as if it only personal fitted to him, but not, that its open minded.

I know by myself, for some Answers, its better you give some Links, and let them find herself out, what they want to know.
Beside, everone has his own kind of Learning and an own Way, to come to understanding.
In that Case, its really better, you give them good References, that they can look at it by herself, as if to give them Your Answer, and shape them with that.
Exeptions for that are this ones, who allways need someone, who takes them by the Hand with the right Answers, and where they can find a Idol in it.

Maybe you ask the next Question to all here, its maybe more worth, as to wonder about some Things

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**Xenomorph** · 02-21-2009, 12:26 AM

@everwiser : Very good points, and people should spread the info NOW and fast !
"Internet 2" is coming, some sources even say its only a couple of months until it sets in. Then sites like this will be banned in a chinese style censorship, because they endanger the energy industry. But you will still be able to browse Wikipedia telling you there is not enough energy for us.

**sucahyo** · 02-21-2009, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by Aromaz View Post

Now, watch this lecture #6 on Fri 05 Feb 2009 of Prof Muller
http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_details_new.php?seriesid=2009-B-51905|2009-B-69390&semesterid=2009-B

Unfortunately I can't open that link. It seems the energeticforum server can't open it too. Working link would be replaced by site header if it work isn't it?

Do it explain gravity the same way as your description of UFO engine?

@Vortex, thanks for the link. Very interesting video

. All I can notice from my experiment is the sharp point of the wire will "blow air" to the direction of where it point and it will "suck air" around it's body. Maybe the vortex created by attraction force to wire metal or maybe created by repulsion force of the wire sharp point. Which one is true is hard to know. Remind me of magnet

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About open minded, there must be one source of information that we believe without a doubt. Usually relate to religion, ancient knowledge or genius people. Unfortunately it can be different from one to another. This diversity is a good thing, as long as we can use it to achieve the same goal. For instance, my understanding for psychic world and why we can utilize them is fundamentally different from many people here, the knowledge will also different for different culture or teacher. But there is a lot of similarity of the way of utilizing it. Different knowledge but all have the same method.

Even if there are many way to explain it, if it can reach the same goal, it is acceptable isn't it? The one that can't even reach the goal must be doubted thought. We must also realize that the one that got furthest may not hold the truth. Since it may only the result of human imperfectness. So it is important to compare notes and keep open minded.

About the way to share information, for me, I usually doubt a direct answer more than long false answer. As I keep learning more and more I eventually learn which one false. I always appreciate a link or book with more description. We can gain more knowledge by teaching other. so I guess Aromaz must gain more knowledge than the one who ask, me

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**Joit** · 02-21-2009, 01:42 AM

Plus/Minus just Potentials?

@sucahyo The Link worked for me with copy-past into my adress field, just no Page here to see, you need to click them seperate.

So. Plus and Minus are only Potentials, where the Electrons are collected at one Side, and keeped there?

I saw some Circuits lately, where backside of a Diode is allways Minus,
it is like, there is the low or negative pressure.

Compare to Poles, there is a spinning into mainly one Direction - right side from both Poles. They turn different Direction, but the Force goes into one Direction, like at a Pump with 2 Wheels.
They drag Stuff into one Direction...., and at Aquator would be Plus then
because the Stuff is taken from the Poles, to Spin it there.

That would explain DC anyhow, but not really AC.
But then there is still, what cause the 'Wheels' and,
when you look at Saturn he got Rings around, they are divided too,
so that looks like the Dipole, what has Plus/Minus Potential also?

Questions Questions ..

**Joit** · 02-21-2009, 01:53 AM

And well, catching up the high Frequencys.
I think, it s maybe a Way, to work with Crystals, to get the Frequency supported.
I remember, that in Russia been found very small spiral Springs, where they didnt know where they come from. So even looks like, it can work over Wire too.

But i think, noone here has to Equipment, to work and think about high Frequencys, even not know, what we could do with it.

Maybe someone has to invite us all into his lab, that we can play with his toys there

But maybe there is a Way to load Electrons via Induction into Gas.
Otherwise, the Kelvin Generator still support HV too with a high Frequency.

But right now, we are not able to rectify HF AC to use it, and otherwise, we cant transform high frequent Dc to useable Power.
I know, there are high efficient Solar panels with 80% efficience atm, but they got big problems the rectify the AC.

**Aromaz** · 02-21-2009, 02:54 AM

Cloud Chamber

Originally posted by Joit View Post

And well, catching up the high Frequencys.
I think, it s maybe a Way, to work with Crystals, to get the Frequency supported..........
Maybe someone has to invite us all into his lab, that we can play with his toys there

You are welcome to my place; but got to pay your own expenses!
Here, I can take care, no problem. I am fortunate to have large stock of assorted natural gemstones. I still have plenty of uncut stones and also all the main synthetic gems - which is actually better to use for these experiments due to their purity.

My toys are also getting better every month; depending on my budget.
This March I hope to order a Germanium Spectroscope with low frequency (UV Range) detection. On order now are UV and IR cameras. All very expensive but NICE toys.

Joit, sucahyo Lme give you some idea. Look on internet how to build, operate and use a Cloud Chamber; there are few options. The easiest is probably using methyl alcohol and common dry ice. Can build one in just hour or two and have long time fun. Such can be build for less than US$ 15 and is EXTREMELY usefull in this kind of HV/HF experiments. You can SEE - as in with your eyes - how particles are moving.

I am now building more advanced and special shaped units where I am using a high preassure pump to circulate liquid nitrogen for cooling. One of the units will have a glass tube through the center so I can push an electric cable right through the middle of the chamber and see how electrons move around cable under various Fq and voltages, another is build around a big glass cylinder so I can place a coil in the middle of the chamber.

Enjoy; these (Cloud Chambers) are VERY nice experiments to do, cheap and impressive learning tool.

**Aromaz** · 02-21-2009, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by everwiser View Post

The marketplace is what's wrong with science.... investigation, development, and the world. "Getting things into the marketplace" is why all these endeavors fail. In every marketplace there are those who have cornered it. Try to take a piece of their pie and you (being an insignificant person with an idea but no resources to play their game) will lose and lose every time. The only reason a lot of these things are gaining any ground at all is due to open-sourcing. Spread out the information and the risk. If enough people know about it and are using it, suppression becomes a lost cause.

YES, you are right. BUT money makes the world go around.
If you really want to do good research and devellopment in alternative
energy; you need tools and experiments. Else, forget it. People like to refer
to Tesla, Moray, Bedini et all; but do you have any idea of how much money
they actually spent on research? For example, the real big effective Bedini
motor; even IF he should release that propriety information, it is very
doubtful that many people will be able to build it - at the cost of US$30,000
for material only !

There are other devices, and their information, designs, concepts are all in
pure public domain - even on the internet. These devices can give you 100%
unlimited electrical power for thousand year or more. In fact they are so easy
to build, it is unbelievable. You only need to wind a coil. I guarantee you at
any cost that these coils do work. All you need is about 6 kg of copper wire,
10kg or Lead (or 50gr gold), 12 diodes, 4 capacitors and some switches,
small paint brush, some epoxy, four hours of time and 0.2 gr of Radium.

**Aromaz** · 02-21-2009, 03:21 AM

"No one who, like me, conjures up the most evil of those half-tamed
demons that inhabit the human beast, and seeks to wrestle with them, can
expect to come through the struggle unscathed." Sigmund Freud

"Why am I always falling in the trap of stupid discusions with
copy minded people; people that never did achieve anything in their empty
lives, with the complete void of originality. For arguing with them is only a
reflection of my own stupidity." CCL

What I say "I know" in the case of reference, has already be written - by me - in this forum.
The case of 'know' is NOT the ability to copy words from other people, but
is is rather the ability to really understand the who,what,where,why,when and how.
By truely UNDERSTANDING, will you know.

See !

There I am stupid ..... again.

Where is my advocate?

"By understanding the person whom you are informing, is the better part of teaching." CCL.

By the way "Peace Brother" did you see the new invention in battery technology?
A bloke in Israel develloped a battery that has 30 cells, each divided into
two compartments that can store 60 Hz AC power.
That development might make me change my knowledge of AC/DC power.

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**Aromaz** · 02-21-2009, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by sucahyo View Post

Unfortunately I can't open that link. It seems the energeticforum server can't open it too.

If you still fail, then Private Message me your MSN or Yahoo chat address
we can log on same time and I will assist you to try and get it down.
The video file is about 200 mb, too big, else I could e-mail it.

**Joit** · 02-21-2009, 05:21 AM

I will look at the Chamber, when i am in mood

I had a short look at it, but right now, i prefer to play with my Coils.
At the Newmanthing, there are quite some Things to understanding, and
anyhow looks for me more, that i can go on better there.

Anyway, some more Basics.

I read a Comment from a Thermodynamikguy, what said,
'They know, that Heat will be transformed to Current, they only dont know how"
Allways this smart Guys..,

But for that, it means, the Reactions at the Sun seems is the absolute Point of Zero for it or any other Planet, and i bet, it exist at any Magnet too, its only a very weak Point.
But having a Generator will activate this Point even too, even when very weak.
Maybe you can even create this Point even easier with a Vortex Coil.

Well, so actually, the best Point for the Zero seems at the Center.
All other things seems is only moving or pump Electrons around.

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