ELECTRET, CAPACITOR or OTHER

[broli]

Didn't Tesla find that the Aether/natural medium remained excited after he has shut down his setups. In his case the white fire he keeps mentioning disappeared slowly.

I'm sorry if this was already wide spread knowledge. There's just so much information out there that I'm trying absorb it step by step.

[Vortex]

Volts from the air

Man, how can I screw this up?
String wire in the air, rod in ground and neon between.

Wire wrapped around tree limbs .. was that wrong?
Did I over simplify it too much?

Was even windy out, prefect weather.

I was reading more volts from ME or probes stuck into the dirt,
than the neon.

Randy

[Joit]

Joit

This one?

Dr. Anthony Meiers

I am searching for repeatable results, regardless of location.

Yeah, this one,

I did rebuild it now again with 1-4 NE Magnets at the middle, 2 Screws outside and 3 Layers #28 of 7m/22ft but still get nothing out from the Wire.
Inductive its now 0.2-0.5 mV. Maybe i did wrap them first time at the other Direction, against, what he say.

For me, its Scam, what he does, let People do a expansive Experiment,
to show them, 'you cant get current from Magnets', masked behind a 'Dr. Meiers'
I hope i am wrong, but dont think so.
For what he says, loading a Batt in Seconds, it would need drop a lot Amps or very high Voltage, but nothing from anything.

[Joit]

I read it now again, and he says something from getting Current from Earth magnet field, turning Magnets, and connecting the Circuit to a Batt.
But he even cant spell Tom Beardens Name right, lol
"In the MEG experiment by Tom Bierden..."
I connected now 2 2200µF Caps paralell with a Pot and a unpoled Cap, but it only starts loading at the 0,1 mV Range.
Still nothing amazing.

[Aaron]

electret battery and capacitor

Hi David,

Good question. I have done this with both batteries and capacitors.

I have charged each with high voltage high frequency and it changed some gel cells in a way that they simply wouldn't power a load but when hooking a bulb to it, the voltage drops instantly and when disconnecting it, the battery voltage pops right back up. Even though it wouldn't power a load, I could put it to a cap to charge the cap to the same voltage with no apparent loss in the battery. I think the chemistry changed so that there was an almost permanent change in the potential difference between the terminals.

I have also done this on a few older caps.

I believe Imhotep also found this effect on one cap that he could short then when unshorted, it would just spring back up to the regular voltage.

The way I did this was with extremely low capacitance from 0.1 down to 0.001 uf and up to several hundred volts cap charged by Bedini circuits. They were high frequency discharged by a neon triggering a SCR to discharge the cap to the battery or cap over and over. Eventually, the battery for example would not act like a normal battery. As mentioned, would not power a load no matter what but could charge a cap.

[Vortex]

Forever is a very long time.

Quoting Julius Sumner Miller:
"I can continue to draw energy from this system
FOREVER without any diminution in it's availability.
That's a fantastic thing."
HE THEN REPEATS HIMSELF and then follows the repeat with:
"Forever is a very long time."

Julius Sumner Miller use to teach on TV back in the 60's, See Video
Julius Sumner Miller - Physics - Heat Energy pt. 2
electrostatics begins at 0:30 and he makes the statement above at 2:15.

This is not an electret.

He takes a slab of Lucite and charges it by beating the Lucite with a cat fur.
Then pulls the charge off with a metal plate, lighting a florescent tube.

Is this "normal" everyday information about electrostatic or something special?

Julius Sumner Miller concludes saying he will go into more detail in a future
program about electrostatics. That future program only covered toys,
which is great to watch, Julius Sumner Miller is always teaching,
but does not speak of the previous Lucite/fur/plate again.

Wondering
Randy

[Bodkins]

Quoting Julius Sumner Miller:
"I can continue to draw energy from this system
FOREVER without any diminution in it's availability.
That's a fantastic thing."
HE THEN REPEATS HIMSELF and then follows the repeat with:
"Forever is a very long time."

Julius Sumner Miller use to teach on TV back in the 60's, See Video
Julius Sumner Miller - Physics - Heat Energy pt. 2
electrostatics begins at 0:30 and he makes the statement above at 2:15.

This is not an electret.

He takes a slab of Lucite and charges it by beating the Lucite with a cat fur.
Then pulls the charge off with a metal plate, lighting a florescent tube.

Is this "normal" everyday information about electrostatic or something special?

Julius Sumner Miller concludes saying he will go into more detail in a future
program about electrostatics. That future program only covered toys,
which is great to watch, Julius Sumner Miller is always teaching,
but does not speak of the previous Lucite/fur/plate again.

Wondering
Randy

Randy please check this stuff, you will love it
http://archive.beinsa.info/Electrici...20(TEC@NZ).pdf

also look at this patent and read between the lines im working on this testing a coxial cable first.

DIELECTRIC MATERIAL - Google Patents
quartz crystals

welcome to a easy anwser to the problem of free energy. this stuff works when you short it out, Now think about a wheel with magnets and reed switchers and caps to hold the charge.

[Vortex]

the electrophorus

Quoting Julius Sumner Miller:
"I can continue to draw energy from this system
FOREVER without any diminution in it's availability.
That's a fantastic thing."
HE THEN REPEATS HIMSELF and then follows the repeat with:
"Forever is a very long time."

Julius Sumner Miller use to teach on TV back in the 60's, See Video
Julius Sumner Miller - Physics - Heat Energy pt. 2
electrostatics begins at 0:30 and he makes the statement above at 2:15.

This is not an electret.

Vortex, (listen in, as I talk to myself)

Yes, that is NOT an electret Julius Sumner Miller showed in the video, but
the ancestor of the electret called a electrophorus

The process of charging the plate and transporting it to the conductor can be repeated. In principle an unlimited amount of charge separation can be obtained with this procedure.

The ancestor of the electret is the electrophorus - click here (pdf 76k)

Randy

[Vortex]

HV step down for metering?

I wouldn't know so I'm asking,
Does this HV metering device seem like it would work?
20 kV Digital High Voltage Meter

Is there something that can be added to the Vout side
that would indicate that the voltage is OVER 500 volts
so you don't try to put your meter on it and add another resistor?

Randy

[amigo]

Vortex,

Check this link as well for a HV meter that can be hooked to a scope:

http://www.easternvoltageresearch.co...lschematic.pdf

You could probably get rid of the compensation network if you don't want the scope connection.

I did not try this circuit yet, just found it couple of days ago...

[sigzidfit]

HV

Ok, since every one else seems to be confessing their electrostatic predilections...

Here's a super resource on the subject of influence machines:
Electrostatic Machines

Don't forget to review Kelvins Thunderstorm it's important:
Kelvin's Thunderstorm
Lord Kelvin | On a Self-Acting Apparatus...

Here's a reference to an old timer making HV with steam:
Hydro-Electrical Machine

US Patent 4206396 has some excellent diagrams showing prior art on generating electricity with charged aerosols
Retrieving Patent from PAT2PDF.org - Free PDF copies of patents: Download and print!
Charged aerosol generator with uni ... - Google Patents

Last but not least, another type of electrostatic machine called TRIBOELECTRIC GENERATOR:
Lorente's Electrostatic Generator, US Patented

I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of a Tesla Turbine built as an asymmetrical and variable capacitor.

[Electrotek]

I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of a Tesla Turbine built as an asymmetrical and variable capacitor.

Patent #3013201 gives the basic circuit

I'd LOVE to figure out how to power a Tesla Turbine with a spark. Not just an expanding plasma, but some kind of longitudinal positive magnetic force.

Also, here's some other patents:

Patent #3458713 details a polycarbonate electret, as well as electret theory.

3582693 Conductive Flame Variable Capacitor

2004352 Blower Static Generator

[dave_cahoon]

Aaron, Group,

Has Anyone taken apart one of the conditioned batteries and photographed the plates?

Whatever is happening seems repeatable..

Anyone with a conditioned battery, does it charge a SuperCap 1farad+ ???
How long does it take?

If it charges a farad quick,<1/120th second, the hidden nrg can be flipped
out real easy with a recycling relay(s) circuit and supercaps, to an inverter...

Best regards
Dave

[dave_cahoon]

I guess I should have said if it charges a farad fast,
a large amount of energy can be extracted quickly.

From what seems like a black hole electrically...

Dave

[Inquorate]

Fluffy charge induction

Been thinking much the same.. I've got fingers in too many pies, but batteries and caps with fluffy voltage discharged thru relay into coil should induce hard current in another coil; rectify it and chuck it in another battery as non-fluffy charge...

Just