Tesla's wireless electricity transmission

[FuzzyTomCat]

amigo

I just want to say that this is some great info guys, thank you and please continue. I'm sure everyone else reading is enjoying the postings as well.

Hi amigo,
Thanks for your kind words, with the generous help from everyone little details are coming out about Nikola Tesla some lost, others with maybe some disinformation or confusion added. The key to all of Tesla's discoveries are there for us to find, we just have to look for them and find out what we can unlock.

Glen

[FuzzyTomCat]

Rick

Very interesting, Glen.

........... I couldn't find anything in there about Telefunken, but it did mention that, before World War I, "a German firm had been licensed to use Tesla's wireless patents to builld a radio station for the US Naval Radio Service on Mystic Island near Tuckerton, New Jersey. The system far surpassed the single-channel transatlantic cable, since it was built to operate on several adjacent frequency channels and to transmit in multiplex mode. Chief Engineer Emil mayer reported to Tesla that messages from the station were being received at a a distance of nine thousand miles." The book says that the government closed the station when war broke out, "for fear that submarines could use it as a navigational beacon."

Rick

Hi Rick,
You right the Tuckerton "spark" transmitter site and there was another station of three that were in operation, the other one was in New Brunswick all information is sketchy at best but well get to the bottom of this. These three were the "Wireless" communication hub after July 1915 for the US Navy and US Government "Telefunken" was used the longest of all and had the only set of 200 foot wooden antenna poles that I can find right now.

The wooden poles were possibly made for ship masts until steamers and such came around the turn of the century, a company in Oregon made wooden ship masts up to 200 feet long all the time in the early 1900's I'm sure others made them also.

I'm glad to see you on top of this, Nikola Tesla didn't fade away after "Wardencluffe" if anything he learned a big lesson on American financing and disclosure.

Glen

[rickoff]

Reply to Glen:

The wooden poles were possibly made for ship masts until steamers and such came around the turn of the century, a company in Oregon made wooden ship masts up to 200 feet long all the time in the early 1900's I'm sure others made them also.

I'm glad to see you on top of this, Nikola Tesla didn't fade away after "Wardenclyffe" if anything he learned a big lesson on American financing and disclosure.

Glen

Maine was also a premier shipbuilding state during the period of wood masted tall ships, having vast resources of tall timber. Even today, the state of Maine remains 90% forest land.

Regarding the story about the tower destruction, it was my belief also that the government had dynamited the tower. The Master of Lightning book, however, tells a different story:
"On July 4, 1917, the Wardenclyffe tower was dynamited and razed by the mortgage holder [George C. Boldt], the proprietor of the Waldorf-Astoria hotel, to make the property more salable. Tesla had been unable to satisfy hotel bills amounting to $20,000."

Pretty strange to blow up a $200,000 tower over a $20,000 debt, wouldn't you say? Boldt probably could have easily recovered the $20,000 debt by simply charging $5 a head to locals and tourists interested in climbing the tower to see what Tesla had built. Or for that matter, why not install an elevator and put in a posh restaurant at the top, and cater to the wealthy who would come by droves to experience the magnificent view from the top? And if the other story is the true one, why didn't the government simply buy and take control of the 187 foot tower and use it as an observation watchtower to detect enemy activity by land and sea? My feeling is that neither story really makes any sense, and that both were released as disinformation.

I note that the article which you referred to states that the tower was metal, but the tower structure was actually " built of special fir timbers, prodigiously strong and very highly insulating," according to the book. Close up photographs do indicate that the tower structure was wooden. At the top of the structure, a 55 ton steel disc was placed. Photos show that a second, smaller diameter disc was placed somewhat higher, with yet a third and still smaller one at the very top. This would appear to be intended for focusing purposes. The book also states that, "The hemispheric globe on top was designed to store electrical energy that could be released as needed. The plan was to cover the [hemispheric globe] frame with formed copper plates, but it was never accomplished due to a shortage of money. When designing the Wardenclyffe tower, it appears he [Tesla] sought to tunnel upward from its globe-shaped tower top (one plate of the condenser) with a high frequency signal and a bank of ultraviolet lights, acting much as the leader stroke in a lightning discharge. Tesla biographer John O'Neill described a large circular hole, five feet in diameter, at the top of the Wardenclyffe cupola [globe], designed to allow rays from a bank of ultraviolet lights to go upward to the sky. This, he conjectured, was for the purpose of ionizing the air to create a conducting path to the stratosphere." The other terminal of this gigantic capacitor would have been the deeply set grounding rods, extending 420 feet into the earth. The first 120 feet below ground level is said to have been a specially lined well-like shaft, with a winding stairway to the bottom. The book says that, "The tower and powerhouse [some 350 feet away] were connected by two channels - one carrying compressed air and water to the tower, the other for electric mains (Anderson, 1968)."

Best regards,

Rick

[FuzzyTomCat]

Rick

........ My feeling is that neither story really makes any sense, and that both were released as disinformation.

I note that the article which you referred to states that the tower was metal, but the tower structure was actually " built of special fir timbers, prodigiously strong and very highly insulating," according to the book. Close up photographs do indicate that the tower structure was wooden. At the top of the structure, a 55 ton steel disc was placed. Photos show that a second, smaller diameter disc was placed somewhat higher, with yet a third and still smaller one at the very top. This would appear to be intended for focusing purposes. The book also states that, "The hemispheric globe on top was designed to store electrical energy that could be released as needed. The plan was to cover the [hemispheric globe] frame with formed copper plates, but it was never accomplished due to a shortage of money. When designing the Wardenclyffe tower, it appears he [Tesla] sought to tunnel upward from its globe-shaped tower top (one plate of the condenser) with a high frequency signal and a bank of ultraviolet lights, acting much as the leader stroke in a lightning discharge. Tesla biographer John O'Neill described a large circular hole, five feet in diameter, at the top of the Wardenclyffe cupola [globe], designed to allow rays from a bank of ultraviolet lights to go upward to the sky. This, he conjectured, was for the purpose of ionizing the air to create a conducting path to the stratosphere." The other terminal of this gigantic capacitor would have been the deeply set grounding rods, extending 420 feet into the earth. The first 120 feet below ground level is said to have been a specially lined well-like shaft, with a winding stairway to the bottom. The book says that, "The tower and powerhouse [some 350 feet away] were connected by two channels - one carrying compressed air and water to the tower, the other for electric mains (Anderson, 1968)."

Best regards,

Rick

Hi Rick,
Your totally correct on the entire construction of the "Wardencluffe" tower being of wood construction and the main tower at "Sayville" a 500 foot one made of steel .... I'm referring to the three 200 foot wooden antenna poles (possibly wooden ship masts) that were cut down in 1995 and still at the "Sayville" site that can be seen in my 1915 photograph a wooden pole one of three seen to the right of the road, YouTube videos and looking at the "Google Earth" close up views you can see three poles on the ground, this is the only place other than Colorado Springs something of this height of wood was used around Tesla's travels I can find. Just like Colorado Springs the tower could be a pole for "wireless electrical" transmission, the "Wardencluff" tower was probably for more than one of Tesla's inventions and the Architect he hired must have tried to accommodate everything into one device.

The other possible innovation was the pit area of "Wardencluffe" it was made mostly of bricks and morter, the antenna support footings and building slabs for the transmitters at Sayville and Tuckerton were made from steel reinforced concrete today is the best grounding method over and above what was done at "Wardencluffe" I'm sure Tesla had to of figured that one out.

The "Tuckerton" final 200Kw spark transmitter on Mystic Island in New Jersey ( 39 33' 30.60"N, 74 22' 14.16"W ) a single 680 foot steel tower was in operation from 1912 to December 27, 1955 when the tower was torn down, the transmitter building may still be there it appears to be from Google Earth.

I'm still looking around for the "New Brunswick, NJ tower there is a reference to it in this article, but no actual location I can find yet -
Jurassic Radio, Part 5: RF Generators

The 1931 Pierce Arrow Nikola Tesla modified is going to be the hard nut to crack he seems to be getting more secretive or some disclosure problems in the 1920's to 1930's and worse beyond those dates can't blame him I guess or maybe had no choice.

Best
Glen

[rickoff]

Yes, I was referring to the "U.S. Blows up Tesla Radio Tower" information as being somewhat incorrect, regarding the Wardenclyffe tower.

Rick

[FuzzyTomCat]

Rick

Yes, I was referring to the "U.S. Blows up Tesla Radio Tower" information as being somewhat incorrect, regarding the Wardenclyffe tower.

Rick

Your right Rick it appears that after J.P.Morgan had more influence in the newspaper industry the more of the information on Nicola Tesla is changed, added to or stretched a bit, this could be some fall out from the continued teasing J.P. Morgan got from the "Mar's" incident that transpired from the Colorado Springs experiments.

As for the "Telefunken" sites that were in operation there were only two, the one at Sayville, NY ( 40 44' 36.26"N, 73 6" 10.93"W ) and Tuckerton, NJ ( 39 33" 30.60"N, 74 22" 14.16"W ) and appears Tesla was only involved with the Sayville site during construction and with the US Navy.

The third tower was the "Marconi" Transmitter in New Brunswick, NJ ( 40 30' 55.04"N, 74 29" 20.22"W ) these all had the "Spark or Ark" High frequency alternators installed. All three of the Transmitters were taken by the US Navy in July 1915 totally seized by the US Government in Feb 1917 the "Telefunken" stations stayed with the US Navy and the "Marconi" station went to RCA after WW1.

The problem for me is this 1921 photograph attached, at the "Marconi" transmitter site in New Brunswick, NJ with some of the greatest minds of the time in the United States all together when "wireless" communication and electrical transmission existed and was being practiced. What is really going on here in New York and New Jersey ??



From left to right are: three unidentified men, David Sarnoff, Thomas J. Hayden, Ernst Julius Berg, S. Benedict, Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Charles Proteus Steinmetz, A.N. Goldsmith, A. Malsin, Irving Langmuir, Albert W. Hull, E.B. Pillsbury, Saul Dushman, Richard Howland Ranger, George Ashley Campbell and two unidentified men.

Glen

[rickoff]

Reply to Glen:

Hey Glen,

That is quite the photo! Where did you find that? It seems strange that Tesla is seen standing well in the background, when you would think that he should be shown more prominently. I assume that the contraption these men are standing below is of significance. Is there any information as to what it was? Perhaps a connecting point between the control building and the antenna arrays?

Regarding the Pierce Arrow, the book, Tesla - Master of Lightning, relates the following:

In 1932 he [Tesla] announced a new motor that would operate on cosmic rays. "I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device," he stated. "I have hope of building my motor on a large scale." During this period, there was a rumor that Tesla, along with another radio pioneer, Lee DeForest, had tested the cosmic ray motor in a 1933 Pierce Arrow in a rural part of New Jersey.

Now cosmic rays are not really rays, but are individual particles, which are 90% protons. These particles not only come from our sun, but also emanate from the farthest reaches of outer space. Concerning the potential energy available within these constantly bombarding particles, Wikipedia states the following:

Cosmic rays can have energies of over 1020 eV, far higher than the 1012 to 1013 eV that man-made particle accelerators can produce. (See Ultra-high-energy cosmic rays for a description of the detection of a single particle with an energy of about 50 J, the same as a well-hit tennis ball at 42 m/s [about 94 mph].) There has been interest in investigating cosmic rays of even greater energies.

Interesting, huh? And even more interesting is the great number of past, current, and future planned projects studying these energies:
Cosmic ray - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Note that among these is a project named MARIACHI, which turns out to be none other than the research project being conducted at Brookhaven National Laboratory. MARIACHI is an acronym for Mixed Apparatus for Radar Investigation of Cosmic-rays of High Ionization.

I don't know if this is actually the case, but it would appear that all of these research facilites are very interested in learning what Tesla evidently already knew in 1933. After all, why spend mega millions to build these research facilities unless there is great promise for actually harnessing the power of cosmic rays for some useful purpose?

Best regards,

Rick

[amigo]

FuzzyTomCat,

I know of that photo, that is, I have seen it before and actually read a related story about it. If only I could remember where it was...

I do not know the exact story but just have vague impressions and thoughts...I could be wrong but:

The whole setup was some deal betwee Marconi and JPMorgan, if I recall correctly. The photo was taken at the site/building of the newly formed RCA.

Tesla was there to setup something (generators?) but he saw through the doublecrossing scheme (Marconi/JPMorgan) and left.

Steinmetz ended up devising the large generator(s) needed for the site, which were all based on Tesla's designs though.

That's all I can remember right now, maybe I can figure out where did I get this from and post a reference later.

[FuzzyTomCat]

Rick

Hey Glen,

That is quite the photo! Where did you find that? It seems strange that Tesla is seen standing well in the background, when you would think that he should be shown more prominently. I assume that the contraption these men are standing below is of significance. Is there any information as to what it was? Perhaps a connecting point between the control building and the antenna arrays?

Interesting, huh? And even more interesting is the great number of past, current, and future planned projects studying these energies:
Cosmic ray - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Note that among these is a project named MARIACHI, which turns out to be none other than the research project being conducted at Brookhaven National Laboratory. MARIACHI is an acronym for Mixed Apparatus for Radar Investigation of Cosmic-rays of High Ionization.

I don't know if this is actually the case, but it would appear that all of these research facilites are very interested in learning what Tesla evidently already knew in 1933. After all, why spend mega millions to build these research facilities unless there is great promise for actually harnessing the power of cosmic rays for some useful purpose?

Best regards,

Rick

Hi Rick,
I'm glad you enjoyed the photo, I have seen it several times used for different things but never the whole photograph and I always wondered what the heck Tesla was doing there he didn't like Marconi or Einstein from any articles I've seen. The photo is usually cropped no date and or magnified leaving it out of focus, cables, steel, wiring and insulators or whatever is around them in the photo I have no clue, after seeing the cropped version until several days ago, but it looks as if it belongs to something as you say of "significance" not some photo prop, and all the other people ?? strange to say the least.

Marconi Station - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now for the Brookhaven Laboratory that was a full turn, I knew that older VHF Transmitter high frequency "spark or ark" alternator sets some were used modified for partial colliders but didn't connect the dots until you brought up the project named MARIACHI and cosmic-ray research. Seems like the Long Island, New York area was kinda a busy place and maybe still is.

It does also look as if Tesla knew more than we can ever realize, maybe it's the 21st century syndrome in bedded in us making it harder than it really is using materials not invented at the time the better mouse trap, we're just missing the couple of pieces to complete the puzzles. If it wasn't for the possible disinformation and huge amounts of money to be lost surrounding Tesla's innovations things could have been different but maybe the US National security at the time warranted that type of secrecy on some of his devices and not suppressed just for money.

Best
Glen

[boguslaw]

rickoff

" Glaringly fallacious theories are responsible for such chimerical hopes. Probably the worst of these is the electron theory. Of the four or five atomic structures which have been suggested not a single one is possible. Not more than one in a thousand men of science knows that an electron -whatever it be—can only exist in the perfect vacuum of intermolecular and interstellar spaces or highly exhausted tubes and that the nucleus stripped of electrons, is devoid of energy.

It was clear to me many years ago that a new and better source of power had to be discovered to meet the ever increasing demands of mankind. In a lecture delivered before the American Institute of Electrical Engineers at Columbia University May 20, 1891, I said: “We are whirling through endless space with inconceivable speed, all around us everything is spinning, everything is moving, everywhere is energy. There must be some way of availing ourselves of this energy more directly. Then, with the light obtained from the medium, with the power derived from it, with every form of energy obtained without effort, from the store forever inexhaustible, humanity will advance with giant strides.”

I have thought and worked with this object in view unremittingly and am glad to say that I have sufficient theoretical and experimental evidence to fill me with hope, not to say confidence, that my efforts of years will be rewarded and that we shall have at our disposal a new source of power, superior even to the hydro-electric, which may be obtained by means of simple apparatus everywhere and in almost constant and unlimited amount. "

New York Times, Nov. 8, 1931
Our Future Motive Power

Would be good to find original article

[boguslaw]

Sorry, should be : "Our Future - Motive Power", Everyday Science and Mechanics (December 1931)
This link File:Streamlined Car.png - Wikimedia Commons indicates that someone could have a copy of original article.

[boguslaw]

That one article explains difference between Tesla wireless transmission and way to capture cosmic rays
July 10, 1932

[boguslaw]

"I have had a very successful year," he said with the enthusiasm of one a third of his years. "I have made two inventions, among the most important of my life.

"When they are announced, one will be like the 100,000 trumpets of the Apocalypse. The other will be less sensational, but it, too, will be important. It will be like the shout with which Joseph's army brought down the walls of Jericho.

"I am elated. The practical success of these inventions is almost achieved. I hope to be able to make them known within the next year."

Invention Would Aid Steel Trade

Dr. Tesla would not disclose the nature of these inventions in detail. He intimated that the more important of them had to do with molecular physics and that it would be of the utmost benefit to the steel industry.

"When applied in certain ways," he said, "it will yield greatly improved products and obviate much waste."

July 10, 1932a


I see it may be related to iron properties of delaying magnetic field propagation. Did Tesla invented a generator able to extract energy from Earth magnetic field by using steel/iron properties ?

[boguslaw]

On the occasion of his 75th birthday, Tesla talked about new developments.

"I am working now upon two things," he said. "First, an explanation based upon pure mathematics of certain things which Professor Einstein has also attempted to explain. My conclusions in certain respects differ from and to that extent tend to disprove the Einstein Theory . . . My explanations of natural phenomena are not so involved as his. They are simpler, and when I am ready to make a full announcement it will be seen that I have proved my conclusions.

"Secondly, I am working to develop a new source of power. When I say a new source, I mean that I have turned for power to a source which no previous scientist has turned, to the best of my knowledge. The conception, the idea when it first burst upon me was a tremendous shock.

"It will throw light on many puzzling phenomena of the cosmos, and may prove also of great industrial value, particularly in creating a new and virtually unlimited market for steel.

Tesla said it will come from an entirely new and unsuspected source, and will be for all practical purposes constant day and night, and at all times of the year. The apparatus for capturing the energy and transforming it will partake both of mechanical and electrical features, and will be of ideal simplicity.

[FuzzyTomCat]

Rick and boguslaw

Hi guys,

I looked at the available aerial photographs of the from "Google Earth" and "Terra Server" There are some identifying marks there also ....



The "red" dots are the facility building and the "green" dots are some more burn dirt or possibly sterilized earth but why ?? At first I thought of electrical radiation of some kind like a microwave type affect but my thinking now is maybe one of "Cosmic-Rays". This possibly could explain the photograph dated 1921 at the "Marconi" New Brunswick transmitter, all the top scientist might have been there to see what there thoughts were on what was happening under these radio transmission tower lines. My thought is that the frequency that the stations at Sayville, NY and New Brunswick, NJ ran at between 18 to 23 Khz ( stock with or without adjustments made ) may attract the cosmic rays like a magnet, the more power in Kilowatts the more "Cosmic-Rays" attracted.

The reason I feel now that the "Cosmic-Rays" may be attracted by frequency is because of the burnt earth and the Peirce Arrow Tesla modified to a electric vehicle used vacuum tubes. The vacuum is the only way "Cosmic-Rays" can be collected at present and in Tesla's 12" x 24" x 6" aluminum box he had made, was reported to have fourteen "Vacuum" radio tubes inside. It would take maybe five vacuum tubes to make a 6 volt 50 to 100 watt 18-23 Khz antenna transmitter and nine vacuum tubes in three banks of three tubes physically oriented horizontally properly used as "cosmic-ray" collectors that would be connected to the 3-phase motor. I know this may sound weird but "Telefunken" made some strange vacuum tubes that I came across throughout the research I've done and they keep popping up all the time.

Rick was right about the power or energy of "one" cosmic ray particle, the explanation I found was the effect as a baseball going 97 MPH, more than impressive.

Any thoughts anyone ??

Best
Glen

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changed voltage from 12 to 6 volt, no 12 volt cars in 1931