Tesla's wireless electricity transmission

[amigo]

Why is that 18-23KHz range significant?

To understand this correctly, Tesla made a dummy transmitter in that range with 50-100W power and then because of the specific frequency range of 18-23KHz he was collecting the Cosmic Rays.

I just thought that Cosmic Rays had a GHz/THz frequency, being high energy particles...

Did he also have a battery in that box and some kind of a step-up transformer (to drive those tubes he would've needed 200V or more)?

[Jetijs]

Morays tubes supposdely worked something remotely like a crystal radio and crystal radios do not need an external power source. You just need a germanium diode. Moray used some special minerals to make the tubes sense the radiant event.

[amigo]

Morays tubes supposdely worked something remotely like a crystal radio and crystal radios do not need an external power source. You just need a germanium diode. Moray used some special minerals to make the tubes sense the radiant event.

Yeah but they need one heck of a long antenna and solid Earth ground, and even then...

[darkwizard]

Yes, i read a book called "free electricity from the sky" is amazing

[FuzzyTomCat]

amigo

Why is that 18-23KHz range significant?

To understand this correctly, Tesla made a dummy transmitter in that range with 50-100W power and then because of the specific frequency range of 18-23KHz he was collecting the Cosmic Rays.

I just thought that Cosmic Rays had a GHz/THz frequency, being high energy particles...

Did he also have a battery in that box and some kind of a step-up transformer (to drive those tubes he would've needed 200V or more)?

Hi amigo,
The reason I chosen the 18-23 KHz range is because of the VLF or LF Longwave transmitters, the "Marconi" station in New Brunswick, NJ with the 100 KW "spark" alternator was at 17 KHz and when they got the 200KW alternator they were at a 21.8 KHz. The "Telefunken" station in Sayville, NY with its 100 KW "spark" alternator was at 9.6 KHz with two static frequency converters for doubling at 19.2 KHz and 38.4 KHz ....... so the range of 18-23 KHz. This is because of the obvious tremendous damage over 50 years to the earth below the antenna wires that were over 100 feet above the ground, in the only two areas that these radio frequency's were used as far as I can find.

The other reason is the photograph of all the scientist in front of one of the buildings at New Brunswick, NJ ..... Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Charles Proteus Steinmetz, Irving Langmuir, Saul Dushman, Richard Howland Ranger, George Ashley Campbell look at their bio's if you haven't. The fact that Nikola Tesla was 65 years old in 1921 the time of this photograph I don't think he would ever make the same mistakes he made in the past and with some of the members being half his age there, something significant was happening and not some sight seeing exhibit so to speak.

The big one for me is Albert Einstein leaving Europe and coming over to New York just to be shown a radio station or possibly something very special.


Albert Einstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please note Einstein is wearing the same coat hat in hand maybe the same clothes as the "Marconi" New Brunswick, NY photograph.

As for the "Cosmic-Ray" collection maybe it's something like a bug zapper .... the cosmic-rays are attracted to the 18-23 KHz radio frequency like a magnet of sorts and the vacuum tubes of some type act as a solar cell collecting the cosmic-ray particles in a vacuum (vacuum tube) to be used in some type of circuit configuration to power a motor. The antennas at New Brunswick, NJ and Sayville, NY were over 100 feet off the ground and the soil damaged area below must be at least 20 feet wide, so if the antenna inside of the 12" x 24" x 6" box was 3" wide on 1/4" centers x 22" long to cover the 6 1/2" tall tube annode and cathode assemblies there would be about a 20 foot long antenna inside the box, 1-2 inches above the collection vacuum tubes. The other problem is the transmitter, for a 18-23 KHz frequency one Tesla made it by components available or two used a receiver signal from New Brunswick, NJ station it was in operation until 1955 or Sayville, NY station it operated until 1995 what ever works.

The good thing is if the frequencies are correct it can be duplicated easily with todays technology no problem at most any wattage. The collection of "cosmic-rays" if the only proven way to use them is in a vacuum, this would mean that vacuum tubes is possibly the way for some kind of viable usage.

The power for the box is really sketchy from none at all to a 12 volt battery ..... the car would need something for lights and other power requirements, there was no 12 volt battery cars at the time so a 6 volt battery would be the size and for power connections for a 18-23 KHz transmitter or receiver ??

Regards
Glen

[amigo]

Hi FuzzyTomCat,

That's a lot of interesting deducation in your post above, kudos for that.

I was right when I posted the explanation about that photo with Einstein, Steinmetz and alleged Tesla. I knew I read something about it and that it was related to RCA. Turns out that building was the first RCA Trans-Atlantic broadcasting station, in New Brunswick NJ.

As far as Tesla being there, I gather at that time Marconi was given the priorty in the radio discovery and patents (thanks to JPM pulling some strings) and Tesla was no too happy about it. Tesla would not be there, especially with Einstein, who's Theory of Relativity he openely opposed, among other things. They simply did not see eye to eye.

Plus the whole RCA thing was Marconi/JPM deal so it would only be adding insult to the injury for Tesla. He saw trough the double-play by Marconi and J.P.Morgan and refused to help them. Steinmetz ended up setting up their generators based on Tesla's patents.

Here's a bit about mistaken identity of the person in that photo being Tesla:

Tesla has been linked to Einstein because of a famous photo which was taken on April 23, 1921 in New Brunswick, New Jersey in celebration of a new RCA transatlantic broadcasting station that was being put in operation. Present at the event were scientists and corporate heads from RCA, GE and AT&T including Charles Steinmetz, Irving Langmuir, David Sarnoff and Albert Einstein. Standing in between Steinmetz and Einstein was a man who resembled Nikola Tesla. I, myself, thought it was Tesla, and wrote an article which included this assumption for the 1986 ITS Symposium. Margaret Cheney and also R.G. Williams in their respective biographies also did the same thing.

After conferring with Leland Anderson and searching back to original sources which included the an article in the New York Herald, and the original caption for the photo, it has been determined that the man standing between Einsten and Steinmetz was one John Carson, who was an engineer for AT&T. This photo has also been doctored to air-brush out all individuals except for Einstein and Steinmetz by the GE people who use it to imply a special relationship between Steinmetz and Einstein.

From: Tesla's "Death Ray" machine

I'm still trying to understand this 18-23KHz range and how it could be utilized with modern tech.

Rather than using vacuum tubes and long stretches of wire, couldn't we excite plasma in an evacuated tube, and amplitude modulate some signal at 18-23KHz range to start the process? But then what, what should happen next, how does one collect the Cosmic Rays that would be attracted to this emission?

[FuzzyTomCat]

amigo

Hi FuzzyTomCat,

That's a lot of interesting deducation in your post above, kudos for that.

I was right when I posted the explanation about that photo with Einstein, Steinmetz and alleged Tesla. I knew I read something about it and that it was related to RCA. Turns out that building was the first RCA Trans-Atlantic broadcasting station, in New Brunswick NJ.

As far as Tesla being there, I gather at that time Marconi was given the priorty in the radio discovery and patents (thanks to JPM pulling some strings) and Tesla was no too happy about it. Tesla would not be there, especially with Einstein, who's Theory of Relativity he openely opposed, among other things. They simply did not see eye to eye.

Plus the whole RCA thing was Marconi/JPM deal so it would only be adding insult to the injury for Tesla. He saw trough the double-play by Marconi and J.P.Morgan and refused to help them. Steinmetz ended up setting up their generators based on Tesla's patents.

Here's a bit about mistaken identity of the person in that photo being Tesla:

I'm still trying to understand this 18-23KHz range and how it could be utilized with modern tech.

Rather than using vacuum tubes and long stretches of wire, couldn't we excite plasma in an evacuated tube, and amplitude modulate some signal at 18-23KHz range to start the process? But then what, what should happen next, how does one collect the Cosmic Rays that would be attracted to this emission?

Hi amigo,
Thanks for the kind comments, and I think this is sill a big work in action for us all but I think we are getting closer.

The photograph I have seen the same thing with the snippits from the photo here and there also about Nikola Tesla's Height being up to 6 foot 7 inches. I always go back to this other famous photograph of the Stubblefield "NBS Wireless Telephone Demonstration" in Philadelphia, Belmont Park in 1902, he is number 20 this is nineteen years earlier but it looks like the same man in both photos.



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As for the 18-23 KHz figure I'm still working on this theory if it leads me anywhere here is some of the thinks I'm looking at thanks to Rick's mentioning of "Brookhaven National Laboratory" in New York and cosmic rays the research done there is in a vacuum .... go figure

Best
Glen

[mlurye]

All,
I would recommend you to check patent #454622 by Tesla.
I do believe that this patent hiding more than just a simple lamp. And check recommended frequency for it.
Why did Tesla invent something that nobody could use unless he knew the way to provide energy required by this lamp in global scale?
Did anybody was able to repeat this patent?

[FuzzyTomCat]

Mike

All,
I would recommend you to check patent #454622 by Tesla.
I do believe that this patent hiding more than just a simple lamp. And check recommended frequency for it.
Why did Tesla invent something that nobody could use unless he knew the way to provide energy required by this lamp in global scale?
Did anybody was able to repeat this patent?

Hi Mike,

That patent you found of Tesla's Is really something, excellent find. I have seen the wiring diagram at Colorado Springs Notes - Introduction but didn't pay much attention to it until now, a mistake it appears.

NIKOLA TESLA - Google Patents

"System Of Electrical Lighting" Patent No. 454,622 N. Tesla
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Lines 44-49
As an instance of what I regard as the lowest practicable limits I would state that I have obtained fairly good results by a frequency as low as fifteen thousand to twenty thousand per second and a potential of about twenty thousand volts.

Lines 62-71
The carrying out of this invention and the full realization of the conditions necessary to the attainment of the desired results involve, first, a novel method of and apparatus for producing the currents or electrical effects of the character described; second, a novel method of utilizing and applying the same for the production of light, and, third, a new form of translating device or light-giving appliance.

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The patent is complex in nature hard to read in a scene but significant to say the least the above two excerpts are only a few of many in this curious document of a "multi" use vacuum tube.

Humm ..... ether, cosmic-rays, vacuum tubes and KHz frequencies sounds like a very interesting mix .....

Regards,
Glen

[mlurye]

Glen,
Truly speaking it is not complex at all. And anybody can build it reasonably cheap. I did put it together quickly.
And here are a couple of observations:

It's safe to touch output wires.
Neon light connected to the output glowing bright.
But I was unable to light incandescent bulb And I do believe I can do some more tune ups to try to make it work.

[rickoff]

Hello mlurye,

Can you show a shematic diagram and photo of your experiment? Sounds very interesting.

Rick

[darkwizard]

In order to put a incandescent lamp maybe you should put a capacitor in the output in parallel with the lamp.

[darkwizard]

Here Tesla is talking about the harnessing of cosmic rays and powering a motor that delivers more energy than the input

Nikola Tesla : Tesla Cosmic Ray Motor May Transmit Power 'Round Earth

Here is in the news from 2006
A building lighted by cosmic rays | News Blog - CNET News

[rickoff]

Reply to darkwizard:

Here Tesla is talking about the harnessing of cosmic rays and powering a motor that delivers more energy than the input

Nikola Tesla : Tesla Cosmic Ray Motor May Transmit Power 'Round Earth

Here is in the news from 2006
A building lighted by cosmic rays | News Blog - CNET News

Yes, that is Tesla's announcement that I was referring to back in post #112.

I remember seeing this building shown recently on TV, and I think it was in a public broadcasting science documentary. It showed a randomly pulsating effect of blue lighting. While the person who designed this novel illumination system uses it purely as an art form, it certainly does does demonstrate that cosmic ray showers can be effectively utilized. When a cosmic ray particle enters Earth's atmospere, it collides with oxygen and nitrogen molecules and bursts into billions of smaller particles which result in a "shower." The separation angle of these smaller particles from the original particle is said to be only about 1% from the point of impact to the Earth's surface. That isn't much, but of course it still covers a fairly wide area due to the distance of travel. Thus far, smaller passive collectors at individual sites, such as used in the California Schools Project [ CHICOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ] and elsewhere, appear to capture a very limited number of particles. As I see it, in order to utilize the cosmic rays effectively for a useful purpose at any one pinpointed given geographic location - either stationary or mobile - it seems that you would somehow either have to use a massive collector or a means of attracting and reconcentrating the diffused cosmic particles - a kind of cosmic ray particle lightning rod, so to speak.

Rick

[mlurye]

Here is schema, it is similar to one that I was using to drive motor http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post44515.
Capacitance and spark gap should be tuned in order to achieve desired frequency.
Capacitor next to the bulb actually is aluminum foil on top of plastic wrap around bulb base.
Metal plate at the bottom, need to think about that (Tesla was covering walls with special paint or metal sheets) may be variable capacitance.
Second coil - disassemble ignition coil and remove core. Separate coils by cutting HV wire connected with LV wire.