R. Adam's secret: Radiant AUTOGENERATOR COIL

[patmac]

Pulse motors are high efficient gives COP 1 easilly.

I've been investigating all about this motors, my BIG QUESTION IN MY MIND, HOW IT WORKS?,

If I take a look seems easy, switching system, timing, pulse duration, magnets size & strong (tesla, gauss), coil, core. etc.

But Bedini Mechanical Osc for example, is interesing, generate a pulse with trigger coil, and swtich on the transistor on a very short time, then radiant energy goes to the charging battery.

There is a little secret, about source additional energy charge battery, possibly I've discovered where from this energy.

THE EXTRA ENERGY CHARGES THE BATTERY IS FROM THE MAGNETS, CREATE THE ELECTRICITY, BUT THERE IS A AUTOINDUCTION WITH THIS ENERGY, MAYBE BY THIS THE REASON BEDINI RECOMMENDS BATTERY WITH VERY LOW IMPENDACE. Battery with extra low impendace energize the coil normally, but energy from the magnets is SHORT CIRCUITED THROUTH THE SOURCE BATTERY AND AUTO INDUCED. This is showed like High voltage spikes, this spikes is some by the magnet collapse but is anormally bigger vs motor consuption, because the coil is induced with energy from the source batt AND ENERGY FROM THE SAME COIL. Seems crazy, but I've a proof of concept.

There is not, sufficent information about the Adams motor, only the coil with reed or hall and the transistor to move the rotor with magnets, but appearently the complete generator produces energy with generator coils and heat from the mosfets?. I've been testing with many coils but how can I get energy from the coil?, if I put the coil with a bridge, is hard get 100 volts from the coil, only get 12 volts. with a load, rotor is stopped by drag, or Lenz Law?

Bedini and Adams motors seems get out the Lenz Law, then How can I apply this improvement on the generator coil?

There is a schematics from Bedini with a generator coil and LED on the output, but, all that coil only to light on LED?. Why, Bedini no explain us how connect a generator coil?. Self runner's Rick F. uses a generator coil with a bridge and switched on very short time per revolution, Is this logic?, Is possible get radiant energy from generator coil?.

Testing with my generator coil, putting load, charging caps etc. I've noticed no gives current, but short circuiting the wires gives sparks. Then taking a Reed Swtich and Neon and connecting them on the coil, and Reed switch near to the rotor, Neon glows perfetly. Ok Alright, is radiant enegy, dipole is formed with magnets on the core coil and shorting circuiting the coil is self induced with this energy. Then by putting a diode and cap, I've tried charge the cap with this energy, but the reed switch loose the RE and show the purple spikes. Cap was charged only 20 volts (200vols X 330uf cap). Ok, is better use a semiconductor like a transistor or MOSFET.

The first circuit don't works neon only glows a very little, Then Reed is better?.... Logically, my mind told me, the Mosfet need a positive polarity, on the Drain, ok, Then I added a diode, and Neon glow better.

Then thinking all night on it, ok. Is possible stores a little of this energy to self induce better the coil?. OK. working many hours..... and I Got IT. Next day contacting to darkwizard by msn, I told him: "incredible, I'm producing radiant energy with a generator coil without input energy".

The coil generates RE, and putting a load, like a leds or caps, motor speed up, I think 90% drag is eliminated. I charged caps to 100 volts without problems, my measurement gives me 220 mW. (charging caps).

And first discussion begun on his thread "Addtionals coils on Bedini". I Believed this was my invetion but not, this appearently was invented by Robert Adams too, darkwizard found on the net this page:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1287/mm.html
I've replicated all that effects.

Here is the schematic to connect the coil to the MOSFET. Is necessary move the reed to find the Sweet spot.

The mosfet is a P4NA60 from old PC power supply, I've tested the IRF740 and DON'T WORK WELL. It is necessesary find a replacement to this mosfet. The is a 15 ohm AWG 24 wire. Rotor with N38 magnets. Neon glows fully. I've take some videos showing the concept, videos are low quality.

Maybe mosfet datasheet help us to find a replacement from IRF, http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...onics/3055.pdf

This proof of concept can explain how radiant energy is created on the Bedini system and how adams generator gets high COP.

[patmac]

Videos on the Tube

Intro:

YouTube - intro

The motor, the orange light is the neon glowing, without INPUT ENERGY FROM THE SOURCE.

The coil on the RIGHT is the generator coil this generator coil has two coils one on the left is being used (15 ohm, AWG 24) and on the right (thinner coil) is disconnected.

Charging cap

I've charged a cap with energy from the generator coil.
YouTube - charging cap

Discharging cap

Discharging the cap to test IS REALLY CHARGED.

YouTube - discharging cap

Sound RPM

There is some noise but is possible hear like rpm is higher with the output is shortcircuited.
YouTube - sound rpm

Neon glow
The motor is disconnected, and is possible glow the neon, moving turning the rotor with the hand
YouTube - 10-01-09 1620

PD: Testing, the generator work well with Mosfet 2sk3067. appearently the characteristic necessary is Rds(on) with 2 - 6 ohmis.

[darkwizard]

Some modifications on the circuit can improve the extra energy capture on the generator coil

[cody]

patmac,
Interesting thoughts, but i do not believe the extra energy is coming from the magnets. The same energy gain can be obtained without using magnets at all, in fact with out using a motor at all. If you can see this you might start thinking of the motor not as a motor, but purely as a switching device for the sole purpose of hitting resonance in the coils. There are many ways to switch coils, but the key is resonance. Put an amp meter on the draw side of your motor, watch as the motor speeds up, the amp draw will go up,then down, up, then down..... at various speeds. When amp draw goes down, that is when you know its hitting a resonant point, a coil has many resonant points. You will also note, that when amp draw is at its lowest, your output will be at its highest. So at the point you put the least amount of energy in, your getting the most amount of energy out. Ive noticed on my adams motor, the faster i can get it to go with same input power(tuned correctly) the amp draw will get lower and lower the higher resonant points you can hit(going faster) and the output will get higher and higher. That is the big difference between adams and bedini i think, adams is set up for faster resonance(its a high rpm motor), while bedini sets his motor up for slower resonant points. I believe all bedinis suggestions about battery impedance and such are all for matching the source to the load, as to not kill the resonant effect, which is a key to taping off resonant circuits. There are differences in using dc or ac as the trigger signal for resonance, here we are using dc. This has nothing to do with generator coils, i dont think those will work for you until you can get the input side resonance figured out first. So thats my take on it, the better understanding of resonance, the better you can design the motor to preform. I hope this was helpful in some way and good luck with your generator coils.

[darkwizard]

Mechanical Energy in the rotor is for free, you must pay a price for switching, you can translate the mechanical energy into free electrical energy in this way.
The magnets are static differential in potential, the magnets charges the generator coil, and by simply shorting the contacts , radiant energy is delivered, this radiant energy is free, unlike the other device in this forum, i don`t have to put a single watt in order to obtain more radiant energy. You must understand

[darkwizard]

Some people might not understand, what is doing our friend Patmac, but the only way to catch up extra dipole energy is using the low mechanical energy from the rotor on a Bedini or Adam pulse motor, the only way is thinking on what we got here and not what we want to got. One must be very smart in order to do this, and open minded.

[Sephiroth]

Ive noticed on my adams motor, the faster i can get it to go with same input power(tuned correctly) the amp draw will get lower and lower the higher resonant points you can hit(going faster) and the output will get higher and higher. That is the big difference between adams and bedini i think, adams is set up for faster resonance(its a high rpm motor), while bedini sets his motor up for slower resonant points.

Hi Cody,

why is the adam's motor capable of higher resonant frequencies than a bedini motor? I can achieve over 5000 rpm with 6 magnet rotor on a bedini ssg which is about 500hz,,, sure, it isn't earth shatteringly high but I find it hard to believe an Adam's motor can significantly out perform it

patmac... sounds interesting I'll check out your vids

[cody]

darkwizard,
I know exactly what you talking about, shorting the coils. Doug konzen has great info on that on his webpage and its a very interesting effect. Definatly more research should be done here. Everytime ive done that it put a large load on my motor. That load means its not free, it slows down the motor and requires more energy to be put in to get the same speed. And i dont think the mechanical energy is completly free when talking about magnets attracting to your coils cores either, this is the whole purpose of dr lindemanns design,with no magnets.
seph,
I would say you have a high speed bedini, good job. If you go to bedinis page and look at his adams replication, you will see that bedini himself states the adams motor to be a high rpm motor, and that care must be taken in constructing it correctly. The main difference is how the coil is constructed, windings, geometry, core size.
everyone,
has anyone actually watched the amp draw go up and down in thier motor with rotor speed(frequency) and noticed how that directly relates with resonant circuits. Anyone noticed you can hook your same motor coils up to a signal generator and get the same effect. Im not saying you cant go ou with these magnet motors, and by no means want you to stop what you are doing. My point is that unless you get the input as efficient as possible, how can you expect to get ou. So how do you get that efficiency? By understanding what is actually happening that is making it so efficient, and designing around that first. If you have followed Lindemanns thread, you will notice that is exactly where peter keeps steering us. Once that efficiency is reached then your generator coil work will become the next step. Maybe your motors are already efficient enough to add generator coils, but look how long its taken the lindemann thread, and peter is still making corrections to coil size, pulse duration, etc to get it resonating at its maximum efficiency point. If you guys can get that shorting generator coil to work without causing a load on the motor, then you are getting somewhere. I wonder however how many people have actually experemented with it, i have. My results, A. you get a high voltage collapsing magnetic field, B. you get a large load on the motor. Thinking outside the box may get you around the load and i truly wish you the best of luck and will be interested in your results. But the advice given again and again is that you must reach a certain input efficiency first before any output mechanical energy can be tapped to go ou. These motors are all based on tesla tech, so understanding what he was doing might be the first place to look. Perhaps this was not the thread to post this in, im honestly just trying to help.

[patmac]

cody

Preciselly, the circuit that I've designed, avoid the drag WHEN YOU SHORT THE OUTPUT DIRECTLY OR WITH LOW IMPENDANCE LOAD LIKE A BATTERY OR CHARGING CAPS ON APROX 30 VOLTS MAX.

If you short the coils normally the drag is seen on the coil, with this circuit there is drag normally, but if you short the output drag is practically eliminated. Because this circuit is based on Bearden theory NO KILL THE DIPOLE..... the dipole is used and gives time to coil for self regauging, and use the dipole again.

Look the attachment that graphics explains it, you amplify the energy produced without waste input energy and then all energy is released on the output. (Graphics taken from cheniere.org not mine).

I have not nothing against Lindemann, his motor is very interesing, but remember Lindemann motor is MECHANICALLY OVERUNITY NOT ELECTRICALLY, Bedini motor is Electrically overunity, and you can use some mechanical energy, BUT IF THIS LOAD MECHANICS NO BREAK THE EQUILIBRIUM, IS FOR STABLE LOAD LIKE A FAN.

Lindemann motor is for very high detent torque and HP in general with little size, because is a atraction motor, NO GENERATES ELECTRICITY BECAUSE NO USE MAGNETS. It's possible generates electricity without magnets by residual magnetic field on the core like the RotorVerter.

I've seen the proof of concept only on the page about adams motor. Nothing on Doug Konzen pages, you'll notice on page about Adams motor concept in the first post, no show SCHMATICS. The effect is the same like in my concept, generate drag but shorting the output on putting a load drag seem dissappear.

We can visualize a Big motor with 10 coils, and use only one to move the rotor and 9 coils for generate. Maybe is possible, or maybe is possible build a windmill efficient without drag.

[darkwizard]

Cody, the generator coil generates drag by the magnetic field atraction, additional there is another drag related to Lenz Law, one can destroy Lenz Law by properly doing the right switching. The magnetic field atraction can be destroyed if the energy generated by the coil is correctly redirected by switching means.

I am saying that the magnetic field energy can be used to move the rotor and additional radiant energy can be recovered like an bedini motor or an adams magnetic switched reluctance motor. That is, back emf or lenz law can be manipulated at will.

[darkwizard]

I know what is the sharp pulse , but i like pulsing a coil generate radiant energy and mechanical energy that is better.

[ren]

Interesting topic.

Cody, I have to agree with you here. Resonance is a big part of this. However, the effects described above with generating coils are being obtained using a rotating magnetic field (via the rotor) as an input source, and thus the effect is slightly different. Sure you could tap into a coil without the rotor and pulse it @ resonance for the same/similar effect, but that would require an external input. As it is we already have a rotating magnetic field at our disposal often for very little input. The make and breaks of the switch on the generator coil will have their ideal resonant frequency too, so it is important that one understands this as well. Luc has done some great stuff lately, and all of it can be applied to these circuits too.

Patmac, If you would, do an interesting test. Measure the inductance of your generator coil when a magnet is not present and then again when a magnet is aligned with the core. Does it make a difference? And in the link provided it states: "I found if I shorted this coil just as the magnet passes, I get a good amount of voltage."

Hmm..... I wonder why. Does your experiments confirm this Patmac? Are you pulsing your generator coil at top dead center (when a magnet lines up with the core).

Also have you considered the implications of what gotoluc is showing, if perhaps your generator coil was built as a transformer?

[cody]

Ok, you must be doing it differently than i have done it. We are talking about completely seperate generator coils here right, not the primary pulsing coil or a bifilar of it. Here is the page where konzen explains shorting the generator coils, its at the very bottom of the page. http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/circuitdiagrams.html
That is the extent of my knowledge and testing on it. If you are getting the results you are claiming it would be appreciated if you could provide a video showing exactly what you are doing, as well as input draw and rpm without generator coils hooked up, and then draw and rpm with coils hooked up. If what you are saying is true, the draw and rpm should stay the same in both cases, and that would be great. Ren, thank you for your understanding of what i was saying. No, i didnt intend to pulse the generator coils from an external source, I was just trying to get people to understand what the main thing that is making thier motors run so efficiently in the first place is because there seems to be very little talk or understanding of how these motors are running in resonance and how to design around that to get the best efficiencys, i realize now this is not the right thread for that topic.

[cody]

Darkwizard i agree completly with you about manipulating the lenz effect and such, Ill be the first to admit that i dont understand that as well as i should and from what ive gathered that subject can be advanced farther than the little pieces that have been given to us so far by the people that know the truth.

[patmac]

ren

I have no special instrument for measure inductance. Yes, coil is shorted when magnets is on the core.

Everybody

On intro video you can see the motor, on the right is the generator coil this coil is for my test, has a separator on the midddle because are two coils coil used is the BIG COIL ON THE RIGHT OF THE SEPARATOR, ON THE LEFT IS NOT BEING USED IS DISCONNECTED.

The principle basic here is theory Bearden if I take the energy normally from this coil only get about 8 volts A.C, with this circuits near to 200 volts or more if you get out the neon but can damage the MOSFET.