Big Joule Theif

[Hoppy]

You mean to let the supplying battery power both the coil and the receiving battery?
And additionally let the coil strike over the receiving battery?

or?

No, only the coil discharge should charge the receiving battery. I'm talking about the option to either connect the negative terminal of the charging battery to either 0V ground or the positive of the supplying battery.

Hoppy

[Hoppy]

Hi Hoppy
when charging a cap connect a ground to the negative it help the radiant charging.
YouTube - Maybe negative resistor

hope it helps
B

Cheers for the tip.

Hoppy

[Joit]

i build now one up to, but the same, it didnt work first.
Coudnt figure, why it should make anything, when the base is connected to Plus.
Then i figured out, i had to switch the Wires, one from left side and one from right side to Plus, that the Current run opposite and the Coils start oscillating.

Now it runs with AC DC with my Sharpener and a Pencil over a BC548C as Source and at the OSC with very very weird Waves.

[sucahyo]

Switching the Joule Thief to positive return coupled with the use of Tesla style bifilar connected power coils should increase the radiant and this will drive big banks of LED's to give very good light output because of the RF content in the output. To test the radiant level, use a capacitor to store the discharged energy from the coil and measure the voltage level. The higher the DC voltage reached, the higher the radiant produced. Too much input voltage could saturate the coil and reduce the radiant level. Because of the high RF content, one wire output working is possile to light LED's.

Thanks for the info, I guess I have to try to reach that.


About frequency, anyone ever notice that charging part and lighting in secondary part require different resonant frequency? at least at my circuit the charging part seems to need much higher frequency than the lighting part. The lighting part become dim when the frequency made the chaging part have the most volt.

[StevanC]

No, only the coil discharge should charge the receiving battery. I'm talking about the option to either connect the negative terminal of the charging battery to either 0V ground or the positive of the supplying battery.

Hoppy

I see,
so You add up the powering battery's voltage to the spike voltage. You get more 'bang for buck' without loosing any more energy, provided the powering battery is below the receiving battery's voltage?

I tried it, but I'm kind of more comfortable to do it 'vanila' way?

[Hoppy]

I see,
so You add up the powering battery's voltage to the spike voltage. You get more 'bang for buck' without loosing any more energy, provided the powering battery is below the receiving battery's voltage?

I tried it, but I'm kind of more comfortable to do it 'vanila' way?

StevanC

John Bedini explains that the input is isolated from the output because the coil discharge happens when the transistor is 'off', so the supply battery cannot add voltage to the coil discharge in either output configuration.

Hoppy

[StevanC]

StevanC

John Bedini explains that the input is isolated from the output because the coil discharge happens when the transistor is 'off', so the supply battery cannot add voltage to the coil discharge in either output configuration.

Hoppy

Hoppy,
does this picture, i hope i will upload, describe what we are discussing about?

feel free to edit it to match?

[Hoppy]

Hoppy,
does this picture, i hope i will upload, describe what we are discussing about?

feel free to edit it to match?

Yes, these are the two configurations.

Hoppy

[StevanC]

Mind bogging idea?

Yes, these are the two configurations.

Hoppy

1. Ain't we 'milking' the trigger strand in 0V mode instead of "milking" the power strand on the "COM" mode?
8:-)

2. Could we milk them both in a way?

3. The FWBR type is the further variant (no contact to source)

It crossed my thoughts this morning:
A. As all energy vortices ("electrons") have spin (*vortices* just happen to be spins of stuff ;-) ), all electrons inherently have spin.
B. brought to existance by a uniform sharp gradient of a collapcing mag-filed, the electrons (vortices) should all receive an uniform, ordered spin with all axles parallel to the mag-fields axis?
C. As the event passes along the conductors, it both transfers and aligns axes of other vortices nearby
D. in the end we have a L.A.B. filled (re-plenished) with electrons of like spin.

Could this be the source of the unusual properties of the charge?
Where would further expanding of this idea lead us to?

[Inquorate]

That is the same mind boggling idea I've been having ever since I found out about fluffy voltage charge :-)

Thankyou for encapsulating the concept in such a clear, easy to understand manner!

Now, if we can get people to understand that magnetic field produced by these moving electrons (and magnets etc) is a product of the time it takes to manifest the movement :-)

Like bodkins has been saying all along, BEMF is compressed time.

[StevanC]

the bogled mind needs "time for recovery"

That is the same mind boggling idea I've been having ever since I found out about fluffy voltage charge :-)

Thankyou for encapsulating the concept in such a clear, easy to understand manner!

Now, if we can get people to understand that magnetic field produced by these moving electrons (and magnets etc) is a product of the time it takes to manifest the movement :-)

Like bodkins has been saying all along, BEMF is compressed time.

kthx

I've been "thought-lifting" my brain a while now (bench mind-pressing), so it's kinda "fit" :-P

I'm afraid i lost You with time-pressing ???

IMHO, the time compression Mr. Bedini talks about is in a different context ?
We don't alter the amount *used*, we merely *require* less amount - that is the time compression as I understand it:
We do more in less time = we do more easy with same energy = we achieve more for less?

(morning gone - no more light bulbs lit :-( )

[Hoppy]

1. Ain't we 'milking' the trigger strand in 0V mode instead of "milking" the power strand on the "COM" mode?
8:-)

2. Could we milk them both in a way?

3. The FWBR type is the further variant (no contact to source)

It crossed my thoughts this morning:
A. As all energy vortices ("electrons") have spin (*vortices* just happen to be spins of stuff ;-) ), all electrons inherently have spin.
B. brought to existance by a uniform sharp gradient of a collapcing mag-filed, the electrons (vortices) should all receive an uniform, ordered spin with all axles parallel to the mag-fields axis?
C. As the event passes along the conductors, it both transfers and aligns axes of other vortices nearby
D. in the end we have a L.A.B. filled (re-plenished) with electrons of like spin.

Could this be the source of the unusual properties of the charge?
Where would further expanding of this idea lead us to?

Give schematic a try. I make no claims but its interesting. I forgot to add on the schematic that it may need starting by tapping a magnet on one end of the coil and leaving it there.

Hoppy

Edit: Please note that I have drawn the capacitor the wrong way round. Positive should face D1.

[Inquorate]

Magnetic fields and electric current = time

@ StevenC - some VERY interesting reading, if you're short on time, just read the last one for what I mean about magnetic field being time. Otherwise, all the rest is also eye-opening, just keep in mind, I think they (Depalma and tewari) are wrong about the aether being incompressable; I think it is superfluid, and yes, electrons are vortices like what forms when you pull the plug in a bath :-)

FROM THE ELECTRON TO A PERPETUAL SYSTEM OF MOTION

Genesis of Free Power Generation

Limitation of the Law of Energy Conservation
This is the one about time.
On the Nature of Electrical Induction

Also, this is a pretty good page of links, Aether Theories - Collation of Scientific Theories of the Aether

Specifically the one dealing with superfluid aether.

[Joit]

Lmao, Now i did connect a 220V/24V Transformer to my 1,3V Batt,
and at the right Connection, i guess thick Wires on Pot side, Led starts flickering like a Discolight!
I can control the flicker Speed with the Pot ha ha.
And light seems brighter too as with the Toroid.

I usual can get all Circuits to work, just need to switch Wires all time, till it works
My galvanic Batt with a Sharpender and Graphitpencil boostet from 1,3 to 8 V in good case.
But amp drops from 4mA to 1mA at a toroid.
With the Transformer still 2,5mA

Edit Pot is ~10k

[Joit]

Now when i put another Pot between C and Coil,
the Led start slowly flickering and speed up with unconstantly pulses. Oo
I think, Aliens are sending me a Message Aha-ha-ha.