Big Joule Theif

[StevanC]

Pace Up

I guess if you haven't been with this project for very long it does seem like we are not getting anywhere here. These circuits that we are working on are radiant energy chargers not just light producers. Wal Mart does not sell these--not yet.

You are getting somewhere - no doubt on that. IMHO

OTOH:
It's wise to visit wallmart all often: You would be surprised what wallmart might already been selling :

There are those "plastic clip" cell phone cells rejuvenators around here for RSD100 (EUR 1 ? or less)

Put a cell that won't anymore and as long as You charge it with it, it gives juice back ;-)

Is it called 'trickle' or 'pulse' charger?

It has a single "13001" transistor ad gives the battery square pulses (sharp gradients)

When I said that the light circuit was drawing .75 amps at 8 volts that does not consider the lumens of light being produced nor the amount of energy being recovered at the charge battery.

Have You lately used a 'car light stick' with a neon tube?
"Bang4buck" factor?
If we want progress, we should be 'in front of' something?

Don't take this as "we are wrong", please :-). I want just to point out there is A LOT of road ahead, we are not even near - we are closer to beginning here than we might be aware of?

That's mine point here only.

When I started this project over as year ago with the " Imhotep Radiant Oscillator Lite" we were drawing 3 amps at 12volt to get the amount of light that I showed in the video. That was OK because Peter Lindemann and Imhotep had set up an energy recovery circuit on the back end. Alot of people have worked hard to get us to the point where we are today. These aren't like "el cheapo China made gadgets" but I guess to some that is what they look like. I wonder what they will cost when they hit the Wal Mart shelf.

Lidmotor

We should rather be careful there:
In China there is a whole lot of people, many very talented no doubt. just having a different capitalism-model doesn't necessarily make them incompetent in RE research.
IMHO.
OTOH, as most of it (RE research) is open on the internet (mostly), they (some of them at least) might already been contributing and following just a footstep behind.

Taking in account Bedini is there (public) from the dawning of the 'www', where does that put them In Your Opinion (IYO)?

I "see" the little battery clip charger as a early (flawed) RE device
YMMV

AND

We shall pace up...

[lookingin]

I guess if you haven't been with this project for very long it does seem like we are not getting anywhere here. These circuits that we are working on are radiant energy chargers not just light producers. Wal Mart does not sell these--not yet. When I said that the light circuit was drawing .75 amps at 8 volts that does not consider the lumens of light being produced nor the amount of energy being recovered at the charge battery.
When I started this project over as year ago with the " Imhotep Radiant Oscillator Lite" we were drawing 3 amps at 12volt to get the amount of light that I showed in the video. That was OK because Peter Lindemann and Imhotep had set up an energy recovery circuit on the back end. Alot of people have worked hard to get us to the point where we are today. These aren't like "el cheapo China made gadgets" but I guess to some that is what they look like. I wonder what they will cost when they hit the Wal Mart shelf.

Lidmotor

Lidmotor, I'm so happy you went back to the Inverted Joule Thief. I have seen your last video. Great work.. I have replicated your work and Slayer007. Can you please post the 555 timer circuit, and a parts list for your Inverted Joule Thief.

[Xenomorph]

@StevanC:
Man, you might mean well with what you say here, but it can be really misunderstood.
Lidmotor and Slayer007 and Kubikop are in the pole position when it comes down
to actually realizing efficient new circuits.

By calling for

We shall pace up

it is like saying
you guys suck IMO.

That then understandably makes those guys ask themselves what YOU have to
contribute to the

we should be 'in front of' something

?

Reading your posts, i am certain that you are a smart guy and can actually come up with JT-related circuits too. Your reflections on wire gauge modifications might be a way to go for you. Feel like trying it? Just wanna motivate you. Then share it here.
And then we all will be ahead.
Good vibes.
Regards

[StevanC]

@StevanC:
Man, you might mean well with what you say here, but it can be really misunderstood.
Lidmotor and Slayer007 and Kubikop are in the pole position when it comes down
to actually realizing efficient new circuits.

By calling for it is like saying
you guys suck IMO.

Yikes! You are right, it could sound so!!

I wouldn't say or imply that! The opposite:
I expect us to pace up as new and new people get involved and I expect the sharing continue in the spirit of the pioneers of this field

so:
"PACE UP, NEWBIES CONTRIBUTE FREELY"
?

That then understandably makes those guys ask themselves what YOU have to
contribute to the ?

Reading your posts, i am certain that you are a smart guy and can actually come up with JT-related circuits too. Your reflections on wire gauge modifications might be a way to go for you. Feel like trying it? Just wanna motivate you. Then share it here.
And then we all will be ahead.
Good vibes.
Regards

In the first place i have to admit:

I did expect a bit more 'exotism' in the JT, in reality I found only what I already knew from SSG and the Yahoo groups...

That was a bit of a disappointment, but I carried on..

Then I found that off the BJT collector to the "Vcc" was more harvest than from the E-C source?

I realized again that JB packs more under his belt than is obvious...

But there is still hope:

Are we using right type of cell to supply our JTs?

Should be better use alkaline cells (EARTH batteries?)? 1.5V

Or L.A.B.s? 2V

If we harvest from E-C we have the powering battery in the RE path too, the question is: is it stolen from or replenished by the remaining RE pulse not gone trough the diode to the receiving load (battery)?

my humble apologies to all felling hit by my post(s)

[coolesrat]

Joule Thief and Grow lights

I have been thinking about this for awile, I got lots of friends who grow plants and they use Metal-Halide and High-pressure sodium lamps it consumes quite alot of power because as some may know somelights are 1000watts!! but yeah i was wondering if it could be done and how much watts would it use.. would love to see a video on it :P kk well tell me what you think of my idea it was just a thougth so many people use thouse lights and spend alot on power bills ..

[Xenomorph]

@coolesrat:
Hehe, what you are describing there, we are all dreaming of achieving that.
It would get you off the grid.
At the moment what these JT circuits are very well capable of is creating high voltage but with comparatively small currents. High voltage alone is sufficient to run CFLs, but everything that has to do with heat dissipation and high wattage (lets say 10W and higher) has the current factor included (P=V*I), which the JT circuit as it is cannot deliver (yet). I think a huge JT with a massive transformer might be able to give more current or sequential small-JT-chain approaches like ISTs on the overunity-thread. Some folks will probably come up with a solution to this very soon, the creative energies are big here

[slayer007]

Here's a short video of the joule thief running off a 1.5V battery.
It has a piece of aluminum foil around it one turn.
It will light up a 90v neon tutching the foil and holding one side for a ground.
With a rectifier attached to the foil and the other end going to an earth ground it will put out allmost 6v rectified.

YouTube - Joule Thief With One turn of aluminum foil

[Lidmotor]

Pulsed Inverted Joule Thief---circuit diagram

@ Slayer --What you are getting off the toroid is kinda what I am getting with the Peltier module I think---Induction energy between the Earth and the coil. This is good stuff.

@lookingin---Here is the circuit diagram of the "Pulsed Inverted Joule Thief" that I put together with some of the things we have learned so far. Here also is a video that I made last night of the charging part of the circuit that I have been working on.

YouTube - Pulsed Inverted Joule Thief Part 2

Lidmotor

[slayer007]

Nice video Lidmotor.

The amp draw looded very good for the light you was getting.

[Lidmotor]

Nice video Lidmotor.

The amp draw looded very good for the light you was getting.

Yes. It puts out really good light depending on how much power you feed it. The voltage regulator helps alot in the adjustments to find out what it likes best. Here is a picture of the circuit.

P.S.-----CHANGE ON THE CIRCUIT---The .047pf caps should read .0047uf.

[slayer007]

Thanks for posting your circuit Lidmotor.
That definitely looks like a must build.

Heres a little video I thought was neat.
Lighting a neon and LED wireless off the JT.

Just setting a neon by the JT it will light then I can light LED's off the neon.

YouTube - Joule Thief Lighting Neon & LED WireLess

[Jules Tresor]

Joule thief powered dc generator

Thanks Lidmotor and Slayer for your OPEN SOURCE sharing work
I'm sure you will tell us everything the day you find a way to get 1kw of free power for 10 days ... it's what we are all looking for so far.

It can change this world, and improve life of millions people, so it should be FREE knowledge.

Anyway after watching your great videos, I found this one where the Joule Thief is used to produce mechanical power = very interesting !
YouTube - Joule thief powered dc generator

Thanks again for your generosity and selfless attitude, that the way to win a good place in the afterlife !
Good luck,
MDG

[Xenomorph]

@stephenafreter : Thanks for sharing the link.

jonnydavro is certainly going into the right direction.
I hope he will one day get something running directly from the generator to see if that way higher power/work can be obtained from the JT circuit.
As of now he is only storing it in caps, but that is of course only his first experiments to proove his concept, really interested to see where he is getting with this. For sure Joule thiefs with their efficiency make an excellent DC generator driver.

[Lidmotor]

Slayer's aluminum foil on the toroid

Here's a short video of the joule thief running off a 1.5V battery.
It has a piece of aluminum foil around it one turn.
It will light up a 90v neon tutching the foil and holding one side for a ground.
With a rectifier attached to the foil and the other end going to an earth ground it will put out allmost 6v rectified.

YouTube - Joule Thief With One turn of aluminum foil

@Slayer-----I tried your idea of using a loop of aluminum foil around the toroid coil to pick up energy and it worked. I don't have as many windings on my secondary as you do so it put out less and the bridge rectifier/earth ground was only a couple volts so I didn't show it in the video. In the video I switched the circuit to a 13 watt (60 watt equivilent) CFL instead of the 24" x 20 watt flourescent tube. This produced very bright light and worked better with the charging part of the system.

YouTube - Pulsed Inverted Joule Thief Small bulb Big light

Lidmotor

[slayer007]

WOW..Very Nice Lidmotor.

Very bright light I like that.
Did you notice when the foil tutches togeather it will about kill the JT or at least slow it down to nothing.

I thought that was strange.A small gap wouldnt affect it but as soon as both ends tutch it slows it down to nothing.