Workings of the gray tube

[Beshires1]

Here is a simple way to creat RF or "Cold elecrticity". Take 2 candles.... stick a metal pin in both and connect alligator clips to ends of pins. then take bulb from say flashlight and connect alligator clips to bulb. then just light the candles. seems odd but it surprisingly works! But you can't use it to power a motor either.

[Beshires1]

if all the magic happened inside the motor, how do you explain his solid state electricity generator, capable of lighting normal light bulbs under water?

Here is a video I made. Cold Electricity Ha Ha Ha

[lamare]

"Cold electricity"

@Beshires1: All right, so you got me on that one.

Never knew you could light a 12 V bulb under water. I always thought you'd have to take demineralised water for that kind of tricks...

I must admit I haven't read most of the forum yet, but is there any circuit that has been actually shown to work over-unity *and* has been replicated??

[Inquorate]

Ou - yep

Aaron has gotten a bedini ou, and check the last few pages of imhotep free energy at last thread, someone made a bedini out of computer power box parts that I think was ou. And Aromaz got bunches of lights going on so little current draw, it must have been drawing from aether.

But no, there hasn't been many. Yet.

"if a schoolgirl can do it..." - john bedini

[lamare]

Back to the subject..

"I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the electrostatic discharge, within the Grey tube was not a Radiant event, there was no magiical power suddenly drawn into it from the OZ to run Greys Motors. Patent 3,890,548 plainly states how the Grey Motor worked. It issued before the famous Grey tube patent 4,595,975. Persons who claimed to have studied these patents for years, Do not mention patent 3,890,548. Because it plainly tells how the motor gets its power. This was to create a mystery around a simple switching tube, and have the gullible, like myself, invest money buying their tapes that promoted "the tube" as the " Holey Grail" the "Rosetta Stone" ..Ha"

Maybe, maybe not.

I haven't studied the Gray motor nor the patents really deeply and certainly not for years. It just fascinated me that Tesla was talking about a "disruptive discharge" being able to produce large charges at considerable distances from the source. So, what is a disruptive discharge. How does it work?

Then I read about Meyls work stating that longitudinal waves should be possible and I saw Dollards experiments, showing the existence of longitudinal waves. Since apparantly they do exist, I reckon they must have something to do with those positron-electron pairs existing in vacuum.

Going from that, I have an explanation why longitudinal waves can exist, and therefore both Meyl and Dollard must be right. This offers an explanation to how the Grey tube might work. This is not to say that you can't pull of some nice tricks with coils, but I don't understand how that could work, so I can't really say anything sensible about that beyond the standard teachings about coils.But with the Gray tube I can envision how it should work, given that Meyl and Dollard and right.

And that's why I am convinced there's more to the Gray tube then just "simple switching tube".

So, if you can explain to me *why* "the electrostatic discharge within the Grey tube was not a Radiant event" or *why* my line of thinking is wrong, fine. I'll be all ears, and if I made a mistake, I'll gladly admit I was wrong and learn my lesson.

But if you can't, please stop laughing. There's an old Dutch saying that he who laughs last, laughs the best.....

[Beshires1]

"I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the electrostatic discharge, within the Grey tube was not a Radiant event, there was no magiical power suddenly drawn into it from the OZ to run Greys Motors. Patent 3,890,548 plainly states how the Grey Motor worked. It issued before the famous Grey tube patent 4,595,975. Persons who claimed to have studied these patents for years, Do not mention patent 3,890,548. Because it plainly tells how the motor gets its power. This was to create a mystery around a simple switching tube, and have the gullible, like myself, invest money buying their tapes that promoted "the tube" as the " Holey Grail" the "Rosetta Stone" ..Ha"

Maybe, maybe not.

I haven't studied the Gray motor nor the patents really deeply and certainly not for years. It just fascinated me that Tesla was talking about a "disruptive discharge" being able to produce large charges at considerable distances from the source. So, what is a disruptive discharge. How does it work?

Then I read about Meyls work stating that longitudinal waves should be possible and I saw Dollards experiments, showing the existence of longitudinal waves. Since apparantly they do exist, I reckon they must have something to do with those positron-electron pairs existing in vacuum.

Going from that, I have an explanation why longitudinal waves can exist, and therefore both Meyl and Dollard must be right. This offers an explanation to how the Grey tube might work. This is not to say that you can't pull of some nice tricks with coils, but I don't understand how that could work, so I can't really say anything sensible about that beyond the standard teachings about coils.But with the Gray tube I can envision how it should work, given that Meyl and Dollard and right.

And that's why I am convinced there's more to the Gray tube then just "simple switching tube".

So, if you can explain to me *why* "the electrostatic discharge within the Grey tube was not a Radiant event" or *why* my line of thinking is wrong, fine. I'll be all ears, and if I made a mistake, I'll gladly admit I was wrong and learn my lesson.

But if you can't, please stop laughing. There's an old Dutch saying that he who laughs last, laughs the best.....

A "disruptive discharge" Is simply a spark that produces RFI. Rfi is what makes a neon bulb flash and glow when in the vicinity of a electrical discharge. A CB radio also operates on this disruptive frequency I Think. Because you could hold a 4' long neon tube close to the antenna of a CB radio and it would flicker and light up.. in your hands. This frequency if you ran to much power Boosters to your CB would get the FCC down on your But because the radio emitted so much RFI that it would disrupt TV signals, transistor radios. and they could even burn up another transmitter radio if it were in the vicinity of a high powered CB when the mike was keyed. I think the telsa towers were little more than a Super-dupper Mogombi sized transmitter of a powerful RFI Frequency. It could power lights within the vicinity of the tower. But I bet you couldn't watch TV!. The tesla tower was built but his funding for this was pulled because "You couldn't put a meter on it". This is my opinion and I'm entitled to it Aaron says. I'm sorry a bout the laughing it isn't really directed at you. I'm just in a good mood for a change.

[lamare]

A "disruptive discharge" Is simply a spark that produces RFI. Rfi is what makes a neon bulb flash and glow when in the vicinity of a electrical discharge. A CB radio also operates on this disruptive frequency I Think. Because you could hold a 4' long neon tube close to the antenna of a CB radio and it would flicker and light up.. in your hands. This frequency if you ran to much power Boosters to your CB would get the FCC down on your But because the radio emitted so much RFI that it would disrupt TV signals, transistor radios. and they could even burn up another transmitter radio if it were in the vicinity of a high powered CB when the mike was keyed. I think the telsa towers were little more than a Super-dupper Mogombi sized transmitter of a powerful RFI Frequency. It could power lights within the vicinity of the tower. But I bet you couldn't watch TV!. The tesla tower was built but his funding for this was pulled because "You couldn't put a meter on it". This is my opinion and I'm entitled to it Aaron says.

I'm sorry a bout the laughing it isn't really directed at you. I'm just in a good mood for a change.

Good! Keep it that way! After all, laughing is good for your health

About the Tesla Towers and "disruptive discharge":

You're absolutely right that sparks generate RFI signals. Just turn on your (in Europe old-fashioned) AM-reviever during lightning, and you'll clearly hear the evidence.
And of course RFI waves transmit energy, so all the effects you describe make sense and can be explained in terms of normal transversal EM waves. However, an important aspect you mention is "in the vicinity" of the antenna c.q. transmitter. An important feature of normal transversal EM waves is that its strenght reduces quadratical with the distance to the transmitter:

Module 2 - Representing EM radiation

"The strength of the EM signal is 1/r^2 where r is the distance from the transmitter."

This means that if you have an antenna emitting 1 MW (1 billion Watts), at a distance of 10 km, all that is left is 0,01 W (or 10 mW) -- 100 million times weaker!

So, with normal radio wave technology, there is no way you can transmit a considerable amount of power over larger distances, like 10 km, *unless* you would use a focussed beam, like for example a dish antenna. However, that would require high frequencies of at the very least something like 100 MHz, because at 100 MHz you already have a wave-length of 3 meters, which would probably require giant dishes. And, at that kind of frequencies, it would be incredibly hard if not impossible to build a transmitter capable of delivering a MegaWatt of power. So far, the most powerfull transmitters operate in the mediumwave frequency range, so, in the kHz range:

Bolshakovo transmitter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Bolshakovo transmitter was the most powerful mediumwave broadcasting station for mediumwave in the world, situated near Bolshakovo, Russia. It was used by Voice of Russia for broadcasting on the mediumwave frequencies 1116 kHz and 1386 kHz with a maximum transmission power of 2.5 Megawatts. Eight (8) guyed masts, equipped with special cage antennas, such called ARRT-antennas are installed. The masts are 257 metres tall and were built in 1974."


However, there is no sign whatsoever that Tesla's tower nor his wireless energy transmission patents used some kind of focussed beam. He used spheres as high up in the air as possible, which are as far away from anything focussing as can be imagined.

Therefore, in my opinion, there is no way Tesla's wireless transmission could have come even close to working if it would be using normal transversal EM waves, especially considering the electronics available at the time, which were not much more then coils, capacitors, spark-gaps, electric motors and mechanic switches.

So, unless you want to go into modus conspiritus maximalus and claim that Tesla's observations and patents are all a big lie and a fraud, there must be another explanation.

Since there is a solid theoretical basis for longitudinal waves to exist, which probably are more of a electrical character (moving charges) and much less of a magnetic character, given Meyls equitions and Dollards *and* Tesla's experiments, I put my money on this theory.

If you want a more or less visual explanation of what happens, imagine a (long) tube filled with water floating in outer space, so no gravity. At the bottom of the tube, there is a rocket engine, constantly accelerating the tube at 9.8 m/s^2 -- i.e. the same acceleration as gravity on earth. Then, the water is being "pushed" to the bottom of the tube, where the force of the rocket engine is applied. So, what you will see is the exact same pressure levels as if the tube would be standing on the earth's surface (under vacuum conditions). So, the top of the water would have a pressure of 0, which is more and more increasing towards the bottom, where pressure is maximal.

Now, in our thought-expirement, suddenly switch off the rocket-engine (and stand on the "bottom" of the tube, so it appears to be standing still), so suddenly there is no longer any force pushing on the water. Then, you would see a shock-wave trough the water: the water molecules would al be moving towards the top of the tube and the water would be expanding to such an extent that there is no more pressure troughout the fluid.

The exact same thing will happen if you have a rod charged to a high voltage, which applies a force to the "fluid" -- i.e. the electrons and positrons floating around in free space, just like water molecules. A positively charged rod will attrack electrons, and therefore you will see a "pressure" being built up by the electrons, up to the extent that the pile of electrons directly near the surface of the rod come to a stand-still. They are attracked by rod just like water is attracked by gravity (or appear to be in the case of our accelerating tube) *and* are opposing one another, just like molecules do in a fluid, because the molecules vibrate above absolute 0 temperature, pushing eachother away when they bump up to eachother.

So, suddenly discharging the rod lowering its potential to 0V will have a very comparable effect on the electrons near its surface as you see in our thought-experiment with water: you get a pressure-wave of electrons moving away from the rod.

So far, so good. However, that does not give us any energy gain, or over-unity.

However, electrons moving trough an environment where positron-electron pairs exist that are on the edge of existing/non-existing, because positrons and electrons cancel each-other out, are applying forces to these pairs. Since they will oppose other electrons and attrack positrons, they transfer energy to these half-existing positron-electron pairs, which will make a certain number of them popping into real existence. So, we will get additional electrons being added to the pressure-wave, increasing the pressure!
In other words: it is very well possible that a longitudinal, electrical pressure-wave is able to amplify itself, because it frees electrons and positrons from the environment, the vacuum.

Obviously, this process will be optimal in a vacuum, because if gas molecules are present, some electrons will bump into gas-molecules, which at the very least takes away energy from the pressure-wave. It is not for nothing that the old-fashioned radio tubes were operated under vacuum....

[boguslaw]

I'm sure about one thing about disruptive discharge which Tesla used.
By resonant action he was able to secure such extraordinary results:
assume we have a 10 W of power accumulated in condenser( capacitor) in primary oscillator section.Assume that current in oscillator is vibrating 1600 times per second. On secondary he was able to draw 1600 impulses per second EACH of them having 10W of power.
Even if that looks crazy THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE STATED !!! CHECK HIS OWN WORDS (I can't find it now).

In that example on secondary there is current having 16kW of power

[Beshires1]

lamare, here I stoled this from a nother place. sssshh.

Wardenclyffe already is a registered historical site, although not yet on the National Register. The New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation conducted inspections there, sometime during or after 1994, and they determined that the facility meets NY State criteria for the historic designation. The major pitfall in the designation process appears to be the fact that the site was used by Peerless Photo as a dumping ground for photochemicals, and thus the grounds are considered a toxic waste site off limits to the public for obvious health reasons. And wouldn't you know it - the ground at the base of the tower area is claimed to be one of the contaminated areas. Whenever a toxic dumpsite is declared, the state DEP must arrange for a contractor to come in and excavate the site to a level where no further toxins of any appreciable amount can be found, and DEP officials must oversee the excavation. The first thing they will find, in the center of the tower base area, is the below ground portion of the large 120 foot long central shaft. Who knows if they will actually dig to the bottom of that, but if they do then it is likely that the chemicals would have seeped into the 300 foot deep iron pipes below the central shaft. It is said that the cleanup efforts are in their final stages. It seems strange to me that, in the Wardenclyffe video which I linked earlier, the tower base area is shown and does not appear to be disturbed by excavation. Even the concrete foundational perimeter of the base is still intact. I suppose the video could have been taken several years ago, before the cleanup effort began.

I did find another Wardenclyffe video that purports to show the inside of the main building, and which is very interesting. According to the explorers who somehow managed to get inside and videotape this, the building is massive in size and has a maze of rooms and corridors on multiple levels. That, of course, means that most of the building is below ground, since the above ground portion was mostly just 1 level, with a relatively small elevated portion at the center of the roofline. There is much evidence of vandalism (holes punched in walls, graffiti, floors littered with trash, etc). For the most part the building is empty, but in one office area which the explorers wandered into, there were several filing cabinets and blueprint storage bins, and it appears that a large number of blueprints still exist. The ones briefly shown in the video appear to be architectural blueprints of the facility. These are probably the original architectural prints, or copies of them, as drawn up by architectural firm Stanford White, which designed all aspects of the facility to Tesla's specifications. This included the tower itself, so the original prints showing the tower and substructure would have been included among the prints. Earlier explorers, or other interested parties, no doubt realized that and most likely removed the prints of interest long ago. What is especially interesting about the video is that the first thing you notice is that many of the ceiling lights are left turned on. The explorers say they were already on, and it seems strange that AGFA would leave all this lighting wastefully consuming electricity if they had to pay for it 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. But perhaps there is no cost involved to them. It is said that the Wardenclyffe facility included a generating room, and as the explorers wandered to the lower levels of the facility a high voltage buzzing sound becomes more and more apparent. In the area where the sound is loudest, several signs in the corridor warn of dangerous high voltage. A large transformer, or Tesla coil, perhaps? And if so, then what keeps the power generation functioning? Could it be that the still existing underground parts of the tower structure, which were designed to transceive telluric earth currents, are still continuously receiving the natural telluric earth currents and utilizing these currents to drive the Tesla coil in the generator room (or wherever it is)? Obviously Tesla had the knowledge and capabilities to produce all the power needs of the Wardenclyffe facility on-site. While the generator room was probably a major part of the power production system, other portions of the overall system may well have been located in another area of the building, or adjacent to it. It is likely that there may be an underground passageway linking the main building with the tower foundation. If you take a look at the video that I previously linked (here it is again: YouTube - TESLA LAB FOUND!!! - Wardenclyffe Tower ) and pause it at 37 seconds of play time, you can see a still photo showing a stage of construction near completion of the tower. You can clearly see that the concrete foundation extends probably at least 10 to 12 feet below ground level, and a window and doorway also appear to exist, so it was definitely designed for access, and not only for access during the construction phase. It is said that the tower was intentionally designed so that any portion of it could easily be removed for repair or replacement as necessary. Here's a similar view of the tower and main building, but this angle does not reveal the extent of the concrete foundation:


In any case the explorers did not show the interior of the generating room, or attempt to determine the source of the loud buzz heard in their 9 minute video, which can be viewed here:
YouTube - Urban Explorers: Nikola Tesla Wardenclyffe Laboratories
Again, it's too bad that these video producers feel compelled to dub in music tracks which detract from the conversations of the participants, and the sounds of the environment, but if you can see past that then it's still quite interesting. It's just too bad that someone with knowledge of what to really look for hasn't had the same opportunity as these folks.

Damn it wouldn't let me stole tha dang picture.

[nat1971a]

After thinking about this some more.....

remember gray mentioned he built the system after watching lightning and more air had something to do with it. Well i think this is really only halve of the story.

Now i am no expert in this area so i am just thinking out aloud

There would be less air at higher altitudes where the lightning forms and more air where the lightning lands.

So if the neutrinos (cosmic rays) hit water/ice that is in the rain clouds then a potential surely forms (just like in our HV capacitor) to such an extent that it produces a lightning discharge through less air in the beginning and more air at the destination in an enclosure - the atmosphere is the enclosure (which is the gray tube)

perhaps the analogy isnt quite accurate but surely outlines the process. Less air i presume may give us faster than light discharge speed which then slows down to light speed which may distort the aether enough to generate excess energy.

Now if i remember right Meyl said
"He also presented the theory that neutrinos are scalar waves moving faster than the speed of light. When moving at the speed of light, they are photons. When a neutrino is slowed to below the speed of light, it becomes an electron. Neutrinos can oscillate between e- and e+. Fusion involves e-, and a lightning flash involves e+. Energy in a vortex acts as a frequency converter. The measurable mixture of frequencies is called noise."
Konstantin Meyl Speaks Neutrino Power and the Existence of Scalar Waves


So it seems that all the info that Meyl, Gray, Aaron, Tesla and crookes have provided.....fit along this line of thinking....this could be the missing piece of the puzzle

This is starting to sound like Tesla's radiant energy patent....oh yes it is that patent...damn!!! i think if i remember right he mentions the spark gap is enclosed in a vessel....must have been at partial vaccum too...will have to check that



ADDITIONAL INFO RE:-

I have just been reading Tesla patent no. 645.576 - system of transmission of electrical energy.


Another remarkable thing is that he sucked the air out of his transmission device:

"... while the free end was led to a terminal placed in the rarefied air stratum trough which the energy was to be transmitted, which was contained in an insulating-tube of a length of fifty feet or more, within which a barometric pressure varying from about one hundred and twenty to one hundred and fifty millimeters was maintained by means of a mechanical suction-pump."


All this suggests that longitudinal waves might be easier to generate in vacuum or in an environment of low pressure. Since Tesla was talking about millions of Volts, and Gray's tube works with kilo-Volts, this suggests that Gray's tube might have had a (near)-vacuum inside.

[nat1971a]

Tesla's radiant energy patent 685 967

The device d (spark gap) is shown as composed of two very thin conducting plates. To improve their action they should be enclosed in a RECEPTACLE from which the AIR IS EXHAUSTED.

So it is starting to look like both Grays conversion tube and Tesla's radiant energy patent are both spark gaps in a tube from which their is a low vacuum!!!!!!

[Inquorate]

Vacuum

Bought an air compressor today for $13 au - just a little thing in plastic case - but claims to do 250psi which is loads more psi than $85 metal case one I looked at, which had lots of air filter area around various parts of the case.

Haven't peeked inside yet, but cheap seems good :-)

[nat1971a]

cool!!!....ebay? thats seems like an awesome price....

i think the this also explains why tesla was using vacuum tubes in the pierce arrow too......

[Inquorate]

Store bought

Got it at an autobarn store. One of the ones with oils, batteries, battery leads, stereos, etc. Even the store guy was surprised by the psi. Will have a look at what brand name when I get home from work :-)

[nat1971a]

yeah let me know as there is a autobarn near me too