Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamics What does it meen?

[dave_cahoon]

Is it an, acceptable way of saying OU?

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Look for Plasma_Assisted_Combustion_Synthesis_Of_Hydrogen.p df

Dave

[Inquorate]

Maybe I'm daft, but I can't find, (after scrolling 3 times and reading every word), ''Plasma assisted synthesis...'' - anything, on this page. Can you post a direct .pdf download link?

Thanks in advance

[dave_cahoon]

I know its not there anymore???
Is there a place here to upload files?

Dave

[Sephiroth]

I can't find the PDF either, but in referance to the title's question here are my thoughts....

Overunity is a bit of a misnomer... but if we interpret it as meaning COP>1 then Non Equilibrium Thermodynamics could involve systems that are overunity but it can also work the other way around.

For example a heat pump is commonly used as an example of a device that can easily achieve COP>1 but when it is used in a refridgerator for example it actually has a COP<0 ! In a refridgerator we ignore the heat coming from the back of it as work, since the work that we want done is the removal of heat from the interior of the fridge. So first of all we have lost the energy that we have used running the pump, but we then go into minus figures when we consider the loss of the heat energy from inside the fridge.

So Non Equilibrium Thermodynamics really refers to Open Systems rather than Overunity Systems. In an open system energy can enter it faster than energy leaves and give us COP>1 or the energy leaving and entering can equal and give us COP=1 or energy is leaving the system giving us COP<1.

Just my thoughts

[dave_cahoon]

Here is another link to the .PDF file
http://mechse.illinois.edu/research/...FW/Fridman.pdf
Dave

[dave_cahoon]

Gassification is one key.

To break water.
If we:
0. Electrolyze water it falls apart. (not interested in this one)
----
1. Heat steam, until it falls apart.
OR
2. Corona of steam, intense ionization, it falls apart.

In version 2 no bulk heating of the material happens!
They call it Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamics..

Corona gassified, sweet crude vapor and steam...

Anyone interested?

[Aaron]

open dissipative system

Is it an, acceptable way of saying OU?

Publications - Drexel Plasma Institute - College of Engineering - Drexel University

Look for Plasma_Assisted_Combustion_Synthesis_Of_Hydrogen.p df

Dave

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Sephiroth is right.

There is no such thing as overunity because you can't have more than everything.

Non-equilibrium is that as energy is dissipated in the system by working, it can't attain balance. As energy is dissipated, there is a constant influx of input from its environment. So more work can be done that what you have to supply to the system and the rest comes from nature. So because there is still losses, this system - total output will not be more than the total input (yours and natures) but it can be more out than what you put in, which is free.

I first learned of open dissipative systems almost 10 years ago in a health book referring to Prigogine. Later on, I learned of the application of this concept to energy producing machines in Bearden's work.

[Vortex]

To break water.
If we:
0. Electrolyze water it falls apart. (not interested in this one)
----
1. Heat steam, until it falls apart.
OR
2. Corona of steam, intense ionization, it falls apart.

In version 2 no bulk heating of the material happens!
They call it Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamics..

Corona gassified, sweet crude vapor and steam...

Anyone interested?

You listed 0,1,2 .. what about option #3?
Keely used a different way to "break water".
See topic Dale Pond - The Basic Principles of SVP - John Worrell Keely