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  • What causes the PAIN of an electric shock?

    Oersted is the unit of magnetizing field (also known as magnetic field
    strength or intensity) in the CGS system of units. It is defined as
    1000/4π (≈79.5774715) amperes per meter of flux path, in terms of SI units.

    So a copper wire with High Voltage which lacks any sign of a magnetic field,
    via testing with a compass, means it lacks amperes and thus there is no current?

    What causes the pain when you get an electric spark, the amperes?

    I'm trying to get my head around why sparks would be coming of the side of
    a plastic encasement of a battery or off insulated wiring via insulated pliers
    without the person feeling a shock. If it crosses the plastic and insulation,
    would it not cross the rubber on the pliers also and shock the person?
    What's up with that?

    Examples of no flux and sparks:
    Aromaz 027 - Back to basics HV Everywhere Part 1
    Aromaz 028 - Back to basics HV Everywhere Part 2

    A few experimenters have smelt burning flesh without pain. This is
    a caused by plasma and not by electric shock?

    "don't do that it hurts" was the only lesson I was taught
    Randy
    Remember to be kind to your mind ...
    Tesla quoting Buddha: "Ignorance is the greatest evil in the world."

  • #2
    I think we feel pain when the shock is low frequency. When it is high frequency, we don't feel it.

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    • #3
      Well, about the frequency - when it is high, we must consider the so called "skin effect" - that current tends to flow only trough very surface of body. That is only in case of AC and no plasma discharge. We don't feel it because there is no nerves on the outer part of skin.

      In case of plasma discharge (sparks etc) - no matter the frequency, plasma is hot! So in this case we must consider continuous contact with plasma, it will become painful if we will stay in contact with plasma for too long - we will just burn our skin.

      Of course, if it is low frequency plasma discharge, both things combines - we will be burnt and hurt from inside, because of current flowing through us.
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      • #4
        This is interesting since I read this particular part yesterday when Tesla held a terminal of his secondary. Here is what he had to say...

        My arm is now traversed by a powerful electric current, vibrating at about the rate of one million times a second. All around me the electrostatic force makes itself felt, and the air molecules and particles of dust flying about are acted upon and are hammering violently against my body. So great is this agitation of the particles, that when the lights are turned out you may see streams of feeble light appear on some parts of my body. When such a streamer breaks out on any part of the body, it produces a sensation like the pricking of a needle. Were the potentials sufficiently high and the frequency of the vibration rather low, the skin would probably be ruptured under the tremendous strain, and the blood would rush out with great force in the form of fine spray or jet so thin as to be invisible, just as oil will when placed on the positive terminal of a Holtz machine. The breaking through of the skin though it may seem impossible at first, would perhaps occur, by reason of the tissues finder the skin being incomparably better conducting. This, at least, appears plausible, judging from some observations.

        I can make these streams of light visible to all, by touching with the metallic object one of the terminals as before, and approaching my free hand to the brass sphere, which is connected to the second terminal of the coil. As the hand is approached, the air between it and the sphere, or in the immediate neighborhood, is more violently agitated, and you see streams of light now break forth from my finger tips and from the whole hand (Fig. 5/169). Were I to approach the hand closer, powerful sparks would jump from the brass sphere to my hand, which might be injurious. The streamers offer no particular inconvenience, except that in the ends of the finger tips a burning sensation is felt. They should not be confounded with those produced by an influence machine, because in many respects they behave differently. I have attached the brass sphere and plate to one of the terminals in order to prevent the formation of visible streamers on that terminal, also in order to prevent sparks from jumping at a considerable distance. Besides, the attachment is favorable for the working of the coil.

        The streams of light which you have observed issuing from my hand are due to a potential of about 200,000 volts, alternating in rather irregular intervals, sometimes like a million times a second. A vibration of the same amplitude, but four times as fast, to maintain which over 3,000,000 volts would be required, would be mare than sufficient to envelop my body in a complete sheet of flame. But this flame would not burn me up; quite contrarily, the probability is ,that I would not be injured in the least. Yet a hundredth part of that energy, otherwise directed; would be amply sufficient to kill a person.

        The amount of energy which may thus be passed into the body of a person depends on the frequency and potential of the currents, and by making both of these very great, a vast amount of energy may be passed into the body without causing any discomfort, except perhaps, in the arm, which is traversed by a true conduction current. The reason why no pain in the body is felt, and no injurious effect noted, is that everywhere, if a current be imagined to flow through the body, the direction of its flow would be at right angles to the surface; hence the body of the experimenter offers an enormous section to the current, and the density is very small, with the exception of the arm, perhaps, where the density may be considerable. Lout if only a small fraction of that energy would be applied in such a way that a current would traverse the body in the same manner as a low frequency current, a shock would be received which might be fatal. A direct or low frequency alternating current is fatal, I think, principally because its distribution through the body is not uniform, as it must divide itself in minute streamlets of great density, whereby some organs are vitally injured. That such a process occurs I have not the least doubt, though no evidence might apparently exist, or be found upon examination. The surest to injure and destroy life, is a continuous current, but the most painful is an alternating current of very low frequency. The expression of these views, which are the result of long continued experiment and observation, both with steady and varying currents, is elicited by the interest which is at present taken in this subject, and by the manifestly erroneous ideas which are daily propounded in journals on this subject.
        What I don't quite understand is when he says "the direction of its flow would be at right angles to the surface". What exactly does he mean with that and what are we supposed to imagine by that?

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        • #5
          Ground

          The direction may have been its relation to single point ground
          "But ye shall receive power..."
          Acts 1:8

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          • #6
            These two fellows have no pain or DEATH issues with electric power.

            The Electric Man - Serbia
            India's shock proof man
            Remember to be kind to your mind ...
            Tesla quoting Buddha: "Ignorance is the greatest evil in the world."

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            • #7
              What causes the PAIN of an electric shock?

              it's usually caused by the dolt who touched the live wire..

              Atoms move for free. It's all about resonance and phase. Make the circuit open and build a generator.

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              • #8
                But seriously,

                The more the voltage/ potential between two points, the more the aether is polarized in that space, from pos to neg. The higher the dielectric constant of the material in the intervening space, the more that space is resistant to polarizing aetherically.

                these two aspects of the aether/matter interaction is why / how a spark or any aetheric (no magnetic field?) or electronic (magnetic field?) 'knows' the direction to travel in, instead of expanding in a sphere until contact; the aether polarizes in one direction instantly; longitudinal compression waves (which at high enough voltages, will pass thru all matter), and then electrons will flow along the same path (unless the pulses of aetheric field polarizations / unpolarizations are of sufficient rapidity so to be out of phase with the frequency of electron flow in the particular medium. Nb; if the LCW's are of the frequency of electric current in a rarified gas or vacuum, would this stabilize virtual electrons into actuality?) as scalar waves; the electrons are set into up/down oscillations (slowly drifting along the aetheric stream) - and that is what I believe tesla meant by 'right angles'.

                Love and light
                Atoms move for free. It's all about resonance and phase. Make the circuit open and build a generator.

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                • #9
                  Being an electrician Ive been hit with 120 multiple times, including being in the circuit for about 15 to 20 seconds. Someone put a hot leg on the neutral at the panel. Ive been hit with 277 volts ac and that kicks likes a mule. My brother who was a carpenter could hang on to 120 volts until it became too hot.
                  The skin offers resistance. I read somewhere that if you peeled back the skin and put a 9 volt battery to the open wound that it would kill you.

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                  • #10
                    Quiz Time

                    Hi all,
                    Here is a little quiz on electrical shocks ....... good luck !!

                    Electrical Shock Quiz

                    Best Regards,
                    Glen
                    Open Source Experimentalist
                    Open Source Research and Development

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