Generator Increases speed under load

[Ted Ewert]

Hi folks, thats a good question and one I think would lead others to think that a particular device has no use in the real world. No offense to you but I have noticed that theme others have used to denounce an effect seen from a device. The output power is low at this stage only because the design is not developed however at finger spinning speed which isnt that much due to much bearing friction because there heavy duty bearings, but .5v at probably less than 100 rpm is a start and 40 milliamps coil shorted. So it works, its just how well it will work scaled up and with many more coils is to be determined by experiment.

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The reason I ask is that I have built a number of monopole generators that spin freely and don't produce squat. In my experience, the core has to be reguaged (alternate polarity) between cycles in order to produce any meaningful power.
Free wheeling usually means that little or no current is being drawn through the coil. 40 mills confirms this. The Lenz effect is alive a well, and will rear its ugly head when significant amounts of magnetic current are being drawn through a core and into the coil.
I don't mean to be negative, and I'm not trying to discourage you, it's just that I've been down this road recently and thought I'd pass along a lesson I learned the hard way.

Keep at it,

Ted

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks. the polarized steel plates does extend through the magnetic steel shaft between plates but not at the strength one would think because the separate neo magnets field wants to repel each others flux flow. Ted yes the power is low but i havent even optimized gaps or materials, also i energized an identical coil/core thats used for generator to see if it would still attract to steel plate side without magnets in repel mode to see if it would still attract and it did no problem. thanks for your comments of past experiments, im still going to do some more tests with higher speed and tighter gaps to see. After all there are no failures in this life, only experience.

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[SkyWatcher]

Updated design tested

Hi folks, I've been testing some different ideas and still am trying a couple other ideas that may prove useful. However I'm testing now a design that may be similar to some other devices ive seen, not sure. this design eliminates any permanent magnets on the rotating member and places the neo magnets on the back side of a coil/core. What i think is occuring is the neutral point of the magnetic field is being shifted thereby creating the same effect of an expanding and contracting flux field by only spinning steel past the coil which is polarized due to the magnet at back of coil. it generates voltage and current better than the other design.
heres a pic of the geometry.

[Inquorate]

Aspden effect

Sound like quite a similar effect when current flowing... Scroll down a bit to Aspden effect.

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[SkyWatcher]

motor/generator concept

Hi folks, I believe something similar to this design has been thought of however I think it may work and cancel any induced lentz effect/counter voltage to an applied input to motor drive coil. And it should work if the generator or induced coil in back of drive coil induces a like pole which it should then this will counter and cancel the voltage induced by the incoming/attracting north pole magnet with drive coil in attraction mode and as well the load drawn from the induced/generator coil is essentially a bonus and should not affect rotor.
I will be testing this shortly just wondering what you folks thought about it.

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[SkyWatcher]

again forgot pic here it is

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, i was testing a dual coil to test as a motor with negative reults, however i decided to test it as a generator and have come across a similar result that ive seen in the past using permanent magnets on a rotor and I am again seeing the same type of results. I wound a dual coil onto a bolt meaning a coil back to back piggy back style on a bolt. Tests show the usual lentz drag upon shorting the first coil which is right next to rotor neo magnet, then when shorting second coil piggy backed to first coil input current then drops to just about the no load current input. Now when only shorting the second coil which is the piggy back coil furthest away from rotor input current drops below unloaded input current draw showing added speed of rotor or torque. Now i am aware this setting back of the coil away from the rotor magnet idea was used by N. Tesla in a dynamo generator so it seems im replicating that design. tests were done with the one dual coil and 2 magnets on rotor in unipolar fashion so both like poles on one side and now im flipping other magnet to test alternating current and see if results are similar. output current of second piggy back coil was 1.2A shorted and 2.2V unloaded 18awg wire .5 ohms or less probably less.
let me know what you think of these results

peace, love, light

[Inquorate]

Lenz's law can be beaten

See my thread 'beating Lenz's law'

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, I've been thinking about why the input current is decreasing below unloaded input current and I think I may have an idea. When say the north pole of neo magnet approaches the coil lets say an air core, we have lentz drag and if we set back the coil we still have lentz drag but less intense, now bring the coil back close to the magnet and insert a ferromagnetic core and again we have lentz drag, but now if we set back the coil with the core inserted as the magnet approaches its north pole field prefers the steel bolt as a flux route and the bolt is now a south polarity because thats how ferromagnetic materials work compared to diamagnetic materials like copper which will create the same polarity. So we now have a south pole at bolt core which induces a south pole in set back coil up to a certain point in the approach phase which enhances attraction to bolt core and explains the reduced input current or increase speed/torque. Let me know what you folks think.

[petersone]

Hi Skywatcher
I'm new to this forum,but have been doing some work along your lines,trying to reverse the pole that the coil "sees",getting Mr Lenz working for us,and not against us!!,I tried with insulated ferro steel wire instead of copper wire but no improvment,I'll try some more using some of your ideas.
peter

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Peter, I am about ready to test the dual rotor sandwiching a coil-core generator setup with the coil setback idea but this time i am trying an odd-even setup like Bill Muller was using. By the way that is one of the main tricks Bill Muller was using to allow a generator load without slowing the generator down was the setback coil concept. although in what ive discovered you can put one neo magnet rotor right next to one side of coil and the other rotor on other side of coil has to be at a distance from the actual coil but of course is right next to ferro core material, i have cad pics posted in case im not being clear.

peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

I'm sorry i checked thread and i guess i didnt post the cad pic, well here it is the dual rotor design.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, made a quick test of the odd-even dual rotor set back coil generator. Each rotor has 6 neo's and 5 coils in center stator plate, as in the latest posted cad pic. The drive motor at 24V draws 5.2A unloaded, then with all coils shorted the amp draw drops to 4.3A. Bear in mind the amps are a little higher because i have the belt drive set to give more rpm to the generator rotors. It does seem that it needs a certain rpm to cause the effect to be seen. As i said in previous post with only the one rotor directly next to coil in place there is normal lentz drag but when i add the other rotor to other end the lentz drag is negated somehow. let me know what ya folks think.

peace love light

[petersone]

Hi Skywatcher and all
Are you saying you are drawing less juice with the coils shorted,with a core,than without the coil and core?
peter

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Peter, no I am saying the amp draw when fully loaded meaning coils shorted with a core drops below the unloaded amp draw meaning coils open circuit with a core. There will always be drag when coils are open ciruited when passing magnets by ferromagnetic material as in all typical generators however in this case it doesnt become harder to turn due to lentz drag therefore is superior to all of todays off the shelf generators. I know some here would like to claim hysteresis and such is the reason for the it being easier to rotate with fully loaded coils however a normal generator becomes harder to rotate and then we get even less usable power due to this slowing so i would say and the point is. When folks try to dismiss things in this way it reminds me of those that claim solar cells are only 20 or so percent efficient or whatever the efficiency numbers are these days is erroneous, solar cells have infinite efficiency. So is your cup half empty or half full is what all this seems to come to.