How to gain Extra Energy from a pulsed Coil

[cody]

Aaron,
Thanks for that explanation of bemf vs radiant. So many people call the spike bemf and it always confuses me and makes me feel like i dont understand what bemf actually is, even though i do. Anyways, thank you. That was a very good explanation that gives me confidence in my terminology.

[sucahyo]

Now, try to add extra rounds to your coils and compare efficiency. Turns out the more rounds you use the higher efficiency you get ... Simple yet not widely known.

That sound like variac. Anyone ever make variac out of Tesla pancake coil?

When you use a switch you collapse the Whole Field, not only one from it.
Its like a big Pressure at one Point, what is released.
The Diode is only to lead the Pulse back into the Circle.

I think diode is to prevent the recovery part from drawing any power when the coil is not producing inductive spike.

They are two very different things. This is one of the most popular misconceptions and misuse of terminology in the world of "free energy."

Sorry, can you repeat it again? which one is first which one is second? What is being compared? BEMF vs what?

[boguslaw]

It's not that simple as described by Aaron. Inductive spikes or flyback voltage is what occurs when inductor magnetic field collapses, but everybody knows it's not OU effect. It could be if as I mentioned there is external magnetic coupling which adds energy to that spike. It maybe not measurable excess of energy but repeating such process many times per second gives some OU effects. I believe that is the simplest explanation of radiant energy as used by Bedini.IMHO.

[Aaron]

time charge

The spike is radiant and it can be cultivated. Once cultivated, it can then be transformed into something useful. It is a TIME charge. It is literally stored time.

The type of circuit will determine how it will unwind. You may get a little bit of work or a lot of work back from it.

Some systems can give you less than 1.0 COP and some will give you more than 1.0 COP.

[Guest]

Smart or not and I may be wrong which would be a good progress in terms of thinking before acting. However, the article was published in Extraordinary Technology recently even hinting on OU(which I very much doubt). Get the Magazine and you have the plans. I think my comment fits nicely into this thread, "Gain extra energy from a pulsed coil".... He tested 2000 rounds all the way up to 12 000 rounds and got outstanding results with 12 000 rounds.

Btw, if you can disprove the article you should publish your results since they are important and fits right into this thread. Good luck!

[lamare]

Nicely in line with my theory

Backemf is Lenz's law and is only there when power is applied to the coil. When the coil is turned off, the magnetic field collapes and the spike that comes off is radiant.

This is nicely in line with my theory about radiant electricity being simply electricity using positrons as charge carriers rather than electrons:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...cation-18.html

If you apply a normal (positive) current to a coil, a magnetic field builds up, while the current is maintained by the potential applied on the positive terminal, which will result in sucking electrons from the negative (usually "earth") terminal of the coil. When you disconnect the positive terminal and thus "turn off" the coil, the magnetic fields collapses and continues applying forces to the electrons inside the coil wire that tends to continue pushing the electrons inside the wire in the same direction as before, which is, in the direction of the postive terminal. Therefore, a whole pile of electrons will end up at the positive terminal, so this will drop in potential and become negative charged and it will thereforel attrack positrons.

Now a collapsing magnetic field wil also apply forces on positron-electron pairs floating around in the vacuum surrounding the coil. And because positrons and electrons have an opposite charge, the collapsing magnetic field will apply forces in the exact opposite direction on positrons vs. electrons, and therefore is capable of separating the positron-electron pairs existing in the vacuum around the coil.

Since the "positive" terminal is now negatively charged, it will attrack the newly freed positrons from the vacuum around the coil and the collapsing magnetic field will push them in the opposite direction as it is pushing the electrons: in the direction of the negative terminal and so, they will arrive as "radiant" energy at the "negative" terminal.

[darkwizard]

Self induced FEM is what is called radiant energy and is not ou.

Joit you are right, old transformers are the best.

[sucahyo]

Thanks to all for the info.

What is the characteristic of this spark / radiant energy? Anyone has the complete list?

Maybe like this bellow:
- Higher voltage than source
- Allow long spark
- Make neon bulb glow purple
- Surface charging
- Cold

[sucahyo]

When you disconnect the positive terminal and thus "turn off" the coil, the magnetic fields collapses and continues applying forces to the electrons inside the coil wire that tends to continue pushing the electrons inside the wire in the same direction as before, which is, in the direction of the postive terminal. Therefore, a whole pile of electrons will end up at the positive terminal, so this will drop in potential and become negative charged and it will thereforel attrack positrons.

I currently looking for explanation for my experiment:
YouTube - How BEMF happen #1, LED version
YouTube - How BEMF happen #2
YouTube - How BEMF happen #1

The neon / LED flashing happen no matter which terminal is being disconnected.

Can you explain the process if we disconnect the negative too?

[lamare]

The neon / LED flashing happen no matter which terminal is being disconnected.

Can you explain the process if we disconnect the negative too?

Hi sucahyo,

I can't watch youtube here, will check tonight.

However, I can think of the following in line with the previous:

If you apply a normal (positive) current to a coil, a magnetic field builds up, while the current is maintained by the potential applied on the positive terminal, which will result in sucking electrons from the negative (usually "earth") terminal of the coil.

When you disconnect the negative terminal and thus "turn off" the coil, the magnetic fields collapses and continues applying forces to the electrons inside the coil wire that tends to continue pushing the electrons inside the wire in the same direction as before, which is, in the direction of the positive terminal. Therefore, a whole pile of electrons will continue to be sucked from the negative terminal, so it will rise in potential and become positively charged and will therefore oppose positrons.

Of course, the same story should still apply:

Now a collapsing magnetic field wil also apply forces on positron-electron pairs floating around in the vacuum surrounding the coil. And because positrons and electrons have an opposite charge, the collapsing magnetic field will apply forces in the exact opposite direction on positrons vs. electrons, and therefore is capable of separating the positron-electron pairs existing in the vacuum around the coil.

Since the "positive" terminal is now also negatively charged compared to the disconnected "negative" terminal, it will attrack the newly freed positrons from the vacuum around the coil and the collapsing magnetic field will push them in the opposite direction as it is pushing the electrons: in the direction of the negative terminal and so, they will arrive as "radiant" energy at the "negative" terminal.

So far, so good....

So now, according to my theory, we have a coil with a positive charged "negative" terminal and therefore a potential difference. In other words: the "negative" terminal acts as a (parasite) capacitor. Then, two things could happen:

1) The charge jumps off to somewhere else, i.e. generates a spark somewhere.
2) The charge flows back trough the coil, generating a new magnetic field on its way, moving the positrons towards the "positive" terminal and sucking electrons away from there, moving them towards the negative terminal.

In other words: the coil must be self-oscillating for a while, which would then of course be the case in both directions. So, you would get a wave bouncing back and forth across the coil, which is dampend by extracting electrons and positrons at your terminal of choice...

It would be interesting to hook up a scope to such a setup and see what really happens....

[darkwizard]

To understand what radiant is, one must know how aether is polarized before the current builds on the coil.

[lamare]

To understand what radiant is, one must know how aether is polarized before the current builds on the coil.

Do you have any links to articles that explain that??

Already found one: http://www.wbabin.net/science/tombe44.pdf

Appears to be interesting.

[darkwizard]

Yes is a good link, similarly Bearden explains the same thing.

[sucahyo]

@lamare, thanks. I guess electricity have significant momentum then.

I currently trying another interesting charger which seems to work by bidirectional induction spark.

[boguslaw]

I'm thinking about the same circuit. How do you compute resonant frequency ? Did you found the correct equation ?