Beating lenz's law

[juju]

thank you sephirot

[yx630514]

in a toroid coil the magnetic field is closed inside the core!

the orbo works with toroid drive coils and thats why they cancel the bemf, because the magnets dont affect the coil, dont induce any current on it!

thats why they use solenoid generator coils!

it will not work but maybe someone can explain you that better!


maybe you would like to try this method... i find this a long time ago and saved the files, but i lost the adress, maybe searching on google, is easy to find. i dont know the name of the autor, who knows if it is a energetic guy to!!

use Hollow Iron Alloy Cores.



To repeat what should be : "According to Lenz's Law, you should perceive a slowing of the rotor because the current induced into the coils opposes the movement of the rotor."

What actually happens ?????. If your alternator is operating within the "realm of disbelief", as it likely will (LOL), you will notice something very strange!!.

You may notice the following:
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When R1/Globe1 was turned on, the motor slowed a little bit, When R2/Globe2 was turned on the motor may have slowed a little bit again, but not as much when R1/G1 was turned on. But when you turned R3/Globe3 on, there appeared to be no change in motor speed at all. You continue and find that when you turned R4/G4 the motor seemed to speed up again. Same with 5 and 6. It's almost at the speed when you started. Then to your greatest surprise, you turn the short circuit on, and the motor goes to full speed as if there were no load at all.
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See detailed link description: Is that because of the use of hollow iron alloy winding coil can achieve this effect?
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XU Yuan

[wojwrobel]

hello

in my opinion the wire sould be inside of the hollow iron core because magnetic lines are concentrating to inside not outside !!!

or looking from diffrent view this coils sould have another hollow iron core on the outside (on top of windings)

wojsciech

[Sephiroth]

See detailed link description: Is that because of the use of hollow iron alloy winding coil can achieve this effect?
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XU Yuan

The effect can be shown with pretty much any generator coil/s.... it is just about impedance matching and phase shifting....

Theoretically, when the impedance of you load matches your generator coils then that will be when the most power is being output by the generator. (This is the Maximum Power Theorem) For example, if your generator coils are 5 ohms and you use a non-inductive load (like a bulb) that is also 5 ohms you will get the most power out but this will also put the maximum load on the rotor.

Though if the impedance of the load is higher than your generator coils, then less current will be flowing, and so less load on the rotor.

But if the impedance of the load is significantly less than the generator, then you get phase shifting which pushes the current generated by lenz law past tdc, so it repels the magnet as it is leaving the coil instead of attracting it. This will also result in lower output by the generator.

But I have heard several cases where using a very low impedance load with high impedance generator coils can generate significant amounts of energy, without significant load on the rotor... a few examples being the Kromrey Converter and the Peripeteia but I have also heard independent reports....

I think this is worth investigating....

Edit : forgot to mention that this effect becomes more obvious the higher the inductance of your generator coils....

[tjnlsn255]

What about a bifilar toroid?

What about winding a toroid with both the drive/cancelling coil and the generator coil?

If I pass pair of NS magnets past the toroid won't the generator coil act like a Bedini Window motor coil?

Just curious.....

Hopes and Dreams....

Tj

[juju]

hi sephirot

TJ, i think that will not work, but it always worth trying!

The effect can be shown with pretty much any generator coil/s.... it is just about impedance matching and phase shifting....

so, are you saying that this will work with air core coils to?

very interestesting... i was not aware of that! when i did the experience, the iron core's of the generator coils was actually dragging down my rotor magnets!

But if the impedance of the load is significantly less than the generator, then you get phase shifting which pushes the current generated by lenz law past tdc, so it repels the magnet as it is leaving the coil instead of attracting it. This will also result in lower output by the generator.

can you advice me, of the best load impedance resistor values, for high impedance coils with an exemple like... 200ohm?

hugs

[Sephiroth]

can you advice me, of the best load impedance resistor values, for high impedance coils with an exemple like... 200ohm?

hugs

I would have to go with the Maximum Power Theorem and say that a 200 ohm load would be the "best" since that will give you the highest power output in terms of watts...

I don't understand the factors that allow excess energy to be generated by using a low impedance load... haven't confirmed it yet. but yes, this will certainly work for air core as long as the inductance is high enough... those hollow cores have nothing to do with this effect, though may be beneficial in other ways....

I'll be experimenting with this once the MG3 is finished....

[juju]

hmm

but as you explained...

if i have 200ohm coils, and i load very less impedeance... lets say like, from 20ohm to 100ohm, i should get that phase shifting right?


kings regards

[Sephiroth]

but as you explained...

if i have 200ohm coils, and i load very less impedeance... lets say like, from 20ohm to 100ohm, i should get that phase shifting right?


kings regards

Yes, you should get phase shifting, but unless something unusual is happening, this will reduce your power output...

The higher the impedance of your load, the higher the voltage and the lower the current generated.

The lower the impedance of your load, the lower the voltage and the higher the current generated.

When the impedances are matched, then the maximum overall power will be generated.

...in theory.

[juju]

Afraid that isn't how lenz law works

So when the magnet approaches the coil, the coil repels it. But when the magnetic is moving away from the coil, the coil attracts it.

It's a pain in the arse....

maybe an answer me this one...

if you have an aligment of magnets in a rotor all north pole... and very close to each other, with only a small space between them, as one north pole will be moving away from the coil wanting to attract it, you will have another magnet aproaching to the coil wanting to repeal it...

so, would we have some kind of cancelling action here?

and in the case there is no space between the magnets? there is no aproach or moving away.. always the same force.

[Sephiroth]

maybe an answer me this one...

if you have an aligment of magnets in a rotor all north pole... and very close to each other, with only a small space between them, as one north pole will be moving away from the coil wanting to attract it, you will have another magnet aproaching to the coil wanting to repeal it...

so, would we have some kind of cancelling action here?

and in the case there is no space between the magnets? there is no aproach or moving away.. always the same force.

If the magnets were really really close, then there would be no (or at least very little) change in magnetic flux, and so no current generated

[Sephiroth]

I'd like to point out again that I am just talking standard theory... experimental results may differ

[juju]

dual rotor

have to make a dual rotor, i think the bedini will not run this with such small space between the magnets.

[tjnlsn255]

You do want some spacing between the magnets but you can put coils on both sides of the rotor to double your coil output, possibly....

A long time ago I saw a youtube video where someone positioned the coils or magnets just off center from each other so that when the battery power was applied the motor was self starting...... I assume that with coils positioned a few degrees off from the ones on the other side that the motor would be self starting.....a cool thing I think......

The other advantage of this disk/platter magnets and coils configuration is that you can just keep adding magnet and coil disks on the shaft to increase the size of the motor whenever you want.....

Just a thought.....

Hopes and Dreams....

Tj

[sebosfato]

Hello guys

Thanks sephirot
and all others

I would like to tell you that i looked to everything about orbo and i had a kind of idea that i had joking with some neodymium magnets i have here time ago that match with the theory in the Adam page...

I thought that orbo worked by having a certain amount of core mass and permeability for the amount of copper in the coil. This to allow that when the magnet get close to the copper the force the coil makes in the permanent magnet lowering its motion speed would be canceled by the attraction of the magnet to the core, but when the magnet is already after the point of attraction they apply what they call the control pulse witch reverse the direction of the force passing the current thru a low ohm resistor.