Beating lenz's law

[wojwrobel]

yes give it more space between magnet and core

ive notice that with core you dont need magnets so close as in air core!!!

second thing is the core itself maybe we sould use soft iron instead , because this ferrite core has very high reluctance maybe it dont need so much !!

u see i had the same problem my magnets were sticking co core too much ...have to read more about this reluctance...

but as i said try bigger gap
wojsciech

[Sephiroth]

juju

have you notice that when you slowly push magnet toward core you have acceleration? and this acceleration is equile to work that have to be made to remove magnet from core !!! SO TOTAL IS ZERO

cheers
wojsciech

ah, but what about hysteresis?

I'm still curious about how much energy you are getting from your coils... do you have any figures?

And any idea how much energy is required to spin the rotor for that amount of energy?

[wojwrobel]

hello

well i dont want to shot any numbers but i have to say it might be over 30 times input vs output

i know you will say im crazy "perpetum mobile bla bla" but im not here to prove to you or anybody, that power input is lower than power out i just have an idea and want to share

like i said whole idea is from Thane Heins if you want to view his patents here they are espacenet — results view

it very clear from logical view that bemf will take the easiest way to go wich is higher reluctance look at his special toroid it makes sens for me thats why im here and trying to use this principe...
YouTube - BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER DEMO July 11, 2009

cheers
wojsciech

[Sephiroth]

hello

well i dont want to shot any numbers but i have to say it might be over 30 times input vs output

i know you will say im crazy "perpetum mobile bla bla" but im not here to prove to you or anybody, that power input is lower than power out i just have an idea and want to share

like i said whole idea is from Thane Heins if you want to view his patents here they are espacenet — results view

it very clear from logical view that bemf will take the easiest way to go wich is higher reluctance look at his special toroid it makes sens for me thats why im here and trying to use this principe...
YouTube - BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER DEMO July 11, 2009

cheers
wojsciech

lol... this isn't the kind of forum that would think your crazy for trying to build a free energy device I just want to get an idea of the kind of figures you are working with

I'll be honest and say I have my doubts, but I'll keep an open mind and look forward to seeing your results.

ps. I am very familiar with Thane's work... he also has my attention

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, speaking of Thane Heins effect. What if we used a toroid or regular type transformer or solenoid, but for know lets assume a toroid. So we have a primary pulse coil on one end of toroid and on other end we have many turns of say 30 gauge wire and on top of that 30 gauge a thicker wire like 18 gauge to extract power from just as Thane does in his coils. Is it possible we would have an effect manifest itself with this configuration, maybe similar to T.heins effect. Just thinking out loud.
peace love light
Tyson

[sebosfato]

hello

well i dont want to shot any numbers but i have to say it might be over 30 times input vs output

i know you will say im crazy "perpetum mobile bla bla" but im not here to prove to you or anybody, that power input is lower than power out i just have an idea and want to share

like i said whole idea is from Thane Heins if you want to view his patents here they are espacenet — results view

it very clear from logical view that bemf will take the easiest way to go wich is higher reluctance look at his special toroid it makes sens for me thats why im here and trying to use this principe...
YouTube - BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER DEMO July 11, 2009

cheers
wojsciech

Hi wojwrobel,

Is that video yours?

I'm very interested in replicating it. It may be the way tesla did long time ago and what meyer and others did somehow!

I have a doubt... why two secondaries? could it work with just one ???
I was also wondering in making the primary a part of LRC tuned circuit and adding lots of secondary toroids to be able to generate lots of power.
This is very innovative technology and i remember and understand why Don smith said that high voltage transformers use to be already little over unity!

I was also thinking in using a three phase transformer with the primary in the middle but having the middle part gapped to raise its reluctance decoupling partially the secondaries...



Thanks

[wojwrobel]

Hi wojwrobel,

Is that video yours?

I'm very interested in replicating it. It may be the way tesla did long time ago and what meyer and others did somehow!

I have a doubt... why two secondaries? could it work with just one ???
I was also wondering in making the primary a part of LRC tuned circuit and adding lots of secondary toroids to be able to generate lots of power.
This is very innovative technology and i remember and understand why Don smith said that high voltage transformers use to be already little over unity!

I was also thinking in using a three phase transformer with the primary in the middle but having the middle part gapped to raise its reluctance decoupling partially the secondaries...

Thanks

hello
its not my videos, ist Thane Heins videos
there is a thread about replicating this device right here
Thane Heins Perepiteia

and if you intrested in Meyer transformer you can visit this
PARTICLE ENERGY GENERATOR im waiting for sponsor to give me some money for gas development.....

cheers
wojsciech

[juju]

Hi wojwrobel,

I have a doubt... why two secondaries? could it work with just one ???
I was also wondering in making the primary a part of LRC tuned circuit and adding lots of secondary toroids to be able to generate lots of power.
This is very innovative technology and i remember and understand why Don smith said that high voltage transformers use to be already little over unity!

Thanks

hi sebosfato...

shore that it will work with just one, since you make shore that your setup have a path of low reluctance to the secondary coil... so the back EMF of the generator coils dont travels the primary run coil path.

i'm almost finishing my setup with just one secondary...

im just in doubt about the resistance of the coils, thane is using a pure 27ohm resistance... so that maybe means that the both 2 secondarys have 27ohm?

so the primary should have less or more resistance than the secondary?

thane is putting in high voltage (100V) and low amperage (0,003A), so 106mWatt, and putting out low voltage (3.3V), and higher amperage (0,122mA) that should total the 403mWatt...

im confused about that, because in step down transformers, you put high voltage/low amps in the big resistance coil, and you get out low voltage/high current in the low resistance coil...

conclusion, the 2 secondary's, have less resistance that the primary? anyone can take my doubt?

hugs

[sebosfato]

Hi juju

From the patent what i understood is that he calculated the power dissipated on the secondary and primary....
However it seems to me that primary resistance should be as low as possible and also the secondary to have more power dissipated at the load instead of in the wire it self.

He tell us that the primary will have a very poor power factor so i have just designed a pf calculator where you can find the value of the capacitor you need to add in parallel with the primary to make the power factor close to 1. ( basically it will become a resonant circuit)
(to open it on exel simply change the name of the file from .pdf to .xls)
For the real power we need to have a wattmeter i guess.

Or maybe is possible to assume I^2 * ohmic resistance of the primary. I'm not sure

I guess that the higher the voltage is the higher will be the gain in energy...
Because even if there is high power there is lower current and this don't allow for core saturation keeping the effect.

[juju]

=D

im not very good with theory, since i never study deep electronics or electricity...

so at the end, should the primary coil, have more or less resistance that the secondary?

hugs

[juju]

another doubt

what should be the frequency pulsed on the primary? 60Hz?

king regards

[wojwrobel]

hello

i just wanted to replicate Thane Heins transformer and see on my own eyes that it makes more that it consumes !!!

just like in this video YouTube - BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER DEMO July 11, 2009

so i did the core from special transformer material and now its to wind the copper wire and here i have a little proplem because i have no idea how to calculate this???

i have arround 1kg of copper wire that is 0,44 mm in diameter with insulation (laker)

so my question is how many turns i have to make on primery? for let say 12 vac input?
how to calculate this? resistance of the wire is 0,14 ohm/m

the cores are:
-center (primary) 13 x 35 mm
- sides are 20 x 35 mm

any help welcome
cheers from poland
wojsciech

[boguslaw]

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[gyula]

hello

i just wanted to replicate Thane Heins transformer and see on my own eyes that it makes more that it consumes !!!

just like in this video YouTube - BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER DEMO July 11, 2009

so i did the core from special transformer material and now its to wind the copper wire and here i have a little proplem because i have no idea how to calculate this???

i have arround 1kg of copper wire that is 0,44 mm in diameter with insulation (laker)

so my question is how many turns i have to make on primery? for let say 12 vac input?
how to calculate this? resistance of the wire is 0,14 ohm/m

the cores are:
-center (primary) 13 x 35 mm
- sides are 20 x 35 mm

any help welcome
cheers from poland
wojsciech

Hi,

here is this link where you can find the exact formulas (I think the simple ones are also good):
Electronics/Transformer Design - Wikibooks, collection of open-content textbooks

"Simpler formulae

A shorter formula for the core area (a) and the turns per volt (T) can be derived from the long voltage formula by multiplying, rearranging, and dividing out. This is used if one wants to design a transformer using a sine wave, at a fixed flux density, and frequency. Below is the short formulas for core areas in square inches having a flux density of 12 kilogauss at 60 Hz:

see link for formulas here

And for 12 kilogauss at 50 Hz:

see link for formulas here"


You have to convert the 13 x 35mm into inch to get the cross sectional area in square inch. Use the lower set of formala for 50Hz if your mains is like that.
Your special core surely works with the 1.2 Tesla induction (12 kilogauss).

rgds, Gyula

[gyula]

Hi Wojsciech,

Using the simple formula (for 50Hz) the T (turns/1V) gives 8.2 turns for 1V, with cross section area of a= 0.704 square inch. By multiplying this with 12V you get 98.4 turns, so round it to 100 turns for your input primary coil. You may wish to make some extra turns too, and make a tap or taps to the coil at 80, 100 and 120 turns, to be able to control excitation (if you cannot control the 12V AC input voltage).

You may calculate T for the secondary coils by using the higher cross section area of the core there, but it should be a guide only, the best is if you wind 10 or 20 or 50 turns for the outputs and measure it.

rgds, Gyula