Beating lenz's law

[IndianaBoys]

Might as well try rust. electrolysis would rust iron quickly.

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[yx630514]

Hi
I think that the [Garry Stanley Anti-Lenz Coil] structure can avoid the Lenz law, it was done the actual experiment?

[broli]

Hi
I think that the [Garry Stanley Anti-Lenz Coil] structure can avoid the Lenz law, it was done the actual experiment?

I don't see any "anti lenz action".When it is powered and the magnet is drawn in, as it's getting close to the coils it causes the current to reduce in those coils. Then he either switches them off or connects them in parallel, but the "lenz action" has already happened so what's the point?

We shouldn't fight flux. If we acknowledge that flux will always be conserved no matter what we could do interesting things if we start playing with the parameters that make up induction.

[broli]

Here's something that will make you think. Does a coil with a bigger area have a bigger smaller or equal mechanical gain than one with a smaller area. If the windings are in such a relation that when for instance the bigger coil has 2 times the area of the smaller ones then its winding amount is 2 times less.

The reason for this asymmetry is to check whether one of the coils has a bigger mechanical advantage while at the same time both induce the same but opposite bemf, so when hooked in series and powered both bemf's cancel.

It's also a relative easy to test. Basically you keep it spinning and reduce or increase windings on the bigger coil and hook it with the smaller one. You repeat the previous until the induced emf cancels and remains 0. Then you power the circuit and see whether a magnet is attracted or not.

[broli]

Imagine two air coils, one inside the other. Say that the bigger air coil has an area 4 times bigger than the smaller one, thus the bigger will have 4 times less windings than the smaller one. Further more, they are both hooked in such a way so that any induced emf opposes.

If you approach this setup with a magnet that is big enough, both will induce an equal EMF, why? Well because V = N A dB/dt. In both coils dB/dt is equal, and in both coils N*A is equal. So now that we have no induced emf when both are hooked to each other, what's the mechanical advantage.

Well you could try and put two such coils powered with some current in a simulator and see what it gives. Due to their setup one should give a north while the other a south on the same side.

In my sim setup surprisingly the outward field is in favor of the smaller coil. So here you have a coil setup that doesn't care about uniformly changing fields, but can produce a magnetic field that can attract or repel magnets.

I attached an illustration of this setup showing a cross section of the two coils. And also a sim when both coils are energized with 1A, as mentioned the small one produces North at top while big one produces a south at top. It kind of looks like the field of a ring/tube magnet/coil but it's not quite it. As in such a setup both inner as outer windings would be the same. I also added the sim result of such a setup as an example.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, or one could try this setup for a generator. This design uses lentz and the power of magnetic attraction to a rotating ferrous metal to neutralize lentz problems. Let me know what you folks think, i modified the design to do without the linear to rotating generator power extraction method and so is a little bit more solid state now.



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Tyson
edit: by the way, that's an interesting idea you've come up with broli, thanks for sharing it. So it would be a pure motor then it seems if it works as intended.

[Jbignes5]

Good approach.

@Skywatcher... I would think about getting rid of the springs and make the tubes teflon with the ends closed. This way the magnets will slide effortlessly back and forth. Kinda like the shake up l.e.d flash lights. The action of the repulsing fields of the magnets and the magnetic shielding should be enough to get it to generate.

I don't see this as a fool proof way to generate but it has a good amount of merit to look further into this setup.

[broli]

Hi folks, or one could try this setup for a generator. This design uses lentz and the power of magnetic attraction to a rotating ferrous metal to neutralize lentz problems. Let me know what you folks think, i modified the design to do without the linear to rotating generator power extraction method and so is a little bit more solid state now.



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Tyson
edit: by the way, that's an interesting idea you've come up with broli, thanks for sharing it. So it would be a pure motor then it seems if it works as intended.

If the Ecklin generator worked then so would have this concept,

http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/e...dual-wheel.jpg.

[broli]

I may have exaggerated the length of the coils in my illustration. Preferably the overall dimension of the coils should be smaller than the magnet to insure a uniform field throughout.

Also that drawing shows a reciprocating design that could be driven with AC. In that case the coils remain fully inductive and a constant inductive phase shift of current and voltage is seen.

[elias]

Hi
I think that the [Garry Stanley Anti-Lenz Coil] structure can avoid the Lenz law, it was done the actual experiment?

What is the use if such a coil? It apparently cannot generate any energy?

[Loadstone]

What is the use if such a coil? It apparently cannot generate any energy?

Hi all.
I have a large Motor/generator that I made to experiment with.
If I connect the 2 sets of coils as described earlier, it does indeed impair the rotor.
Maybe you don't see it on a small scale but when i do it the generator makes a whining sound and it vibrates..plus the rotor is harder to turn although it does spin fairly well.

Still you can't take out any power because Lenz takes over as soon as you do.

[broli]

Made a thread at ou.com with some new illustrations, concept and simulation findings. Next up is experimentation.

Eliminating induced emf in motor and transformer.

[elias]

Hi

One thing I understood and seems to be the case is Magnetic Hysteresis of Iron Cores. Suppose that the time that takes to magnetize the Iron be dt.
Now consider a wheel of magnets passing a coil. When the magnet approaches the coil, it changes the magnetic field in the Iron, thus inducing a voltage to the coil takes the time dt. And then when you draw current from the coil, it would induce a magnetic field to the core the push the magnet away. (Lenz law) This would happen after another dt, so the time lag for the reaction of the coil would be 2*dt. So if your rotor is moving FAST ENOUGH, then by the time the coil starts to push the magnet away the magnet has already passed the top tdc of the coil thus the Lenz reaction of the coil, aids in rotating the rotor, thus producing acceleration, as some inventors have shown.

So the question becomes: How much is dt? If it is about msecs then driving a rotor up to 3000-4000 RPM would reverse the effect of Lenz. This is certainly one of the experiments I want to perform in the coming days.

What do you think?

Elias

[broli]

Hi

One thing I understood and seems to be the case is Magnetic Hysteresis of Iron Cores. Suppose that the time that takes to magnetize the Iron be dt.
Now consider a wheel of magnets passing a coil. When the magnet approaches the coil, it changes the magnetic field in the Iron, thus inducing a voltage to the coil takes the time dt. And then when you draw current from the coil, it would induce a magnetic field to the core the push the magnet away. (Lenz law) This would happen after another dt, so the time lag for the reaction of the coil would be 2*dt. So if your rotor is moving FAST ENOUGH, then by the time the coil starts to push the magnet away the magnet has already passed the top tdc of the coil thus the Lenz reaction of the coil, aids in rotating the rotor, thus producing acceleration, as some inventors have shown.

So the question becomes: How much is dt? If it is about msecs then driving a rotor up to 3000-4000 RPM would reverse the effect of Lenz. This is certainly one of the experiments I want to perform in the coming days.

What do you think?

Elias

I believe you described Thane Heins' Peripeteia. It is known that a rotor with magnets accelerates when the stator coils have a lot of windings wound around a ferromagnetic core.