the dissipation of electricity

[johnb003]

Has anyone come across a copy of this lecture by Nikola Tesla?

There's so much information out there, but sometimes it's hard to get to the root of it.

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I'm finally getting some practical hands on experience with this stuff. My goal is to start with the basics and see if I can produce the same conditions in which Tesla first observed radiant energy.

I have succeeded in building a high voltage power supply, I built it from a simple 555 timer and a flyback transformer from a CRT monitor. The nice thing about it, is the transformer has diodes between each layer of the secondary, so I don't need to try to rectify my HV output. The downside is I only get a half-wave, but oh well, it's a start.

From there I'm able to charge a high voltage capacitor and discharge that over a spark gap.

I've got a few HV capacitors, one is from a microwave with a pretty high capacitance, and another from the CRT logic board which has a much lower capacitance. Obviously I can get much more powerful impulses from the microwave capacitor, but I can charge the smaller one much more rapidly giving me higher frequency discharges.

However like I said my aim is to see if I can detect the radiant discharge that Tesla described in the lecture, so at least to start with, I'm not concerned with high frequencies.

So, out of curiosity, my capacitor is rated for about 2kv, and I have my spark gap set very small, a few mm at most. So I'm expecting that I'll never get a charge up to 2kv, but what I'm worried about is my HV power supply produces discharges in air about 5-7 cm. Which I figure is a lot higher than 2kv. So is the capacitor safe to be charged with voltages that high as long as it doesn't reach that voltage or am I likely to have fried capacitors soon?

Now I need to find a way to force these discharges to be unidirectional. I have a single hv diode that came from the microwave and it seems like it can handle pretty high current but I'm hesitant to discharge the cap through it, as I can imagine that the discharge might break it.

Any thoughts?

I have a site I'll be posting all of the info from my experiment soon.

Thanks,
`John

[Inquorate]

5 to 7 cm

Dude, that's at least 50 kv.

http://www.kronjaeger.com/hv/hv/msr/spk/table.png

Which is apparently doable with a flyback

POWERLABS' High Voltage Solid State Flyback Driver

Ah, I suggest a home made salt water capacitor, (use baking soda instead of salt) or Alfoil with several A4 sheet protectors between each sheet of foil..

50 000 volts. Be really careful.

[Inquorate]

On the dissipation of electrical energy of the hertz resonator

Pepe's Tesla Pages

If it's not on this site, it's probably in a vault somewhere, never to see the light of day again.

Click on tesla link

Btw, if anyone wants to save any of those documents as a text and email them to me at benjaminmarkbrandwood@gmail.com it'd be hugely appreciated, as my phone won't open the files as they are.

[johnb003]

Dude, that's at least 50 kv.

http://www.kronjaeger.com/hv/hv/msr/spk/table.png

Which is apparently doable with a flyback

POWERLABS' High Voltage Solid State Flyback Driver

Ah, I suggest a home made salt water capacitor, (use baking soda instead of salt) or Alfoil with several A4 sheet protectors between each sheet of foil..

50 000 volts. Be really careful.

Yeah, I tried that driver first. I'm running this off of a car battery, despite the risk, and well with that much current the transistor just couldn't handle it, even with a beefy heat sink. I like how that system self resonates, but I'm using the 555 timer and a power mosfet so I have a lot more control. At around 4khz I get a pretty high pitch sound that changes based on arc length, and at 48khz the arc stays super sonic except for very small arc lengths (that's opposite of what I expected.) I thought at longer arcs the discharge rate would be slower. Maybe it's just resonating at certain lengths amplifying an audible frequency.

Anyway, the main difference at 48 khz, aside from supersonic is that the arc is stronger and shifts around more as it doesn't seem to want to take the same path through the ionized air. At 4.8 khz it's pretty stable.

I've run the transformer for up to 5 minutes without anything even getting warm so I'm pretty happy with my design.

Anyway I'm still curious about the capacitors, is it bad to use a charge voltage way above the capacitor's rated voltage? or does it only matter how high the stored voltage is?

Since my spark gap for the cap is very small it discharges before it gets too high.

Thanks for the table link btw. However my gap is between exposed ends of wires so it's not like spherical electrodes. Though I don't doubt it's still around 50kv.

`John

[johnb003]

Pepe's Tesla Pages

If it's not on this site, it's probably in a vault somewhere, never to see the light of day again.

Click on tesla link

Btw, if anyone wants to save any of those documents as a text and email them to me at benjaminmarkbrandwood@gmail.com it'd be hugely appreciated, as my phone won't open the files as they are.

Hey, I went to the page, and found the article you referred to: "On the dissipation of electrical energy of the hertz resonator".

I just read through it carefully and it's very interesting, and definitely gives me the impression on I'm the right track. Though I'm not sure if it's the paper I'm looking for. There are several references to an article "The Dissipation of Electricity", which are either incorrectly referenced or there is another article.

Anyone know if the other article does exist?

In this article it clearly shows that Tesla was not convinced that Hertz had considered everything. He seemed to think that though the conclusions of the relationship between the transmission and receiver were essentially correct, there was another factor not considered, that of the air. It seems like he had experimental evidence to support this, and explains several of his findings, but not in great detail.

I feel that in an attempt to verify the results Hertz concluded, Tesla discovered something and this article highlights his discovery, but perhaps he also published a lecture detailing this discovery?

Thanks.
`John

[amigo]

johnb003,

see here, maybe the article is in there:

Tesla Said, compiled by John Ratzlaff.pdf

[johnb003]

johnb003,

see here, maybe the article is in there:

Tesla Said, compiled by John Ratzlaff.pdf

Found the same article: On the dissipation of electrical energy of the hertz resonator.

But not one of the name, "The Dissipation of Electricity". I liked this version of the article about the hertz resonator, because it was not subject to mistaken OCR. However it was missing pages.

Still curious if there is another article.

`John

[sucahyo]

johnb003,

see here, maybe the article is in there:

nice compilation, thanks for sharing

[Peter Lindemann]

Gerry Vassilatos

Hi Guys,

The only place I have ever seen The Dissipation of Electricity mentioned, is in Secrets of Cold War Technology, by Gerry Vassilatos. This lecture was supposedly given in December of 1892. I have never found any other reference to it.

Having looked for this lecture for years, I finally "wised up" and realized what was going on. In his next lecture in the series, Tesla covers the same information again. So, the lecture On Light and other High Frequency Phenomena, given in both February and March of 1893, everything you are looking for......is right before your eyes!

You can find this lecture on the web, or download it from my website at:

http://www.free-energy.ws/pdf/1893onlight.pdf

Enjoy,

Peter

[johnb003]

Hi Guys,

The only place I have ever seen The Dissipation of Electricity mentioned, is in Secrets of Cold War Technology, by Gerry Vassilatos. This lecture was supposedly given in December of 1892. I have never found any other reference to it.

Having looked for this lecture for years, I finally "wised up" and realized what was going on. In his next lecture in the series, Tesla covers the same information again. So, the lecture On Light and other High Frequency Phenomena, given in both February and March of 1893, everything you are looking for......is right before your eyes!

You can find this lecture on the web, or download it from my website at:

http://www.free-energy.ws/pdf/1893onlight.pdf

Enjoy,

Peter

Ahhh, thanks very much Peter.

Speaking of Secrets of Cold War Technology, I tried getting my hands on this as well and have a had no success. The sources I found in the US were listing prices like around $700 US or other ridiculous figures. I actually found a store who claimed to have it for a reasonable price in the UK, and I tried to order overseas, but then replied saying it was out of stock and they had to order it from their supplier and eventually determined they couldn't get it from their supplier either, as it's out of print. So they gave up.

Do you know where I can get a copy of this for under $100?

Thanks again,

`John

[Aaron]

Secrets of Cold War Technology

John,

Check:
Gerry Vassilatos

Spiral bound for $30.

[amigo]

I bought the whole set (Vassilatos+Dollard) last year and I am very happy with it. Secrets of Cold War Technology is well worth it on its own, as is any other publication Vassilatos wrote, imho.

Plus the videos included on DVDs far surpass the crappy quality that's available on YT.

I spoke to Chris@Borderlands several times and he seemed like a nice guy. I even had one of the books missing in original shipment and he sent it at no cost.

Sadly it seems Chris is struggling to keep the things afloat due to monetary constraints. There was also a divide that occured in the Borderlands core group but that's politics and human nature I won't dwell upon...

[sucahyo]

Thanks for sharing the book Peter .

[sucahyo]

@Peter Lindemann, or anyone who can answer, english is not my native language and I have problem understanding what Tesla means in the text.

http://www.free-energy.ws/pdf/1893onlight.pdf

I may illustrate an effect of the electrostatic force by another striking experiment, but before, I must call your attention to one or two facts. I have said before, that whet; the medium between two oppositely electrified bodies is strained beyond a certain limit it gives way and, stated in popular language, the opposite electric charges unite and neutralize each other. This breaking down of the medium occurs principally when the force acting between the bodies is steady, or varies at a moderate rate. Were the variation sufficiently rapid, such a destructive break would not occur, no matter how great the force, for all the energy would be spent in radiation, convection and mechanical and chemical action.

What he means by rapid viariation? random frequency or high frequency?

[Inquorate]

Variation

He means the polarity of each plate must change really quickly.

When there is a voltage difference, a certain percentage of the aether will line up in such a way as to make electron vortex movement from - to + easier. More voltage, more polarity of aether, easier for electrons to travel.
For conductors with low resistance, negligible voltage will cause current. For dielectrics, lots of voltage is needed before electrons will separate from atomic bonds and travel along from neg to pos. This is how free electrons in a spark gap know which direction to travel in: the aether in that direction is like the nut, and the electron is like a bolt. except it is one way spinning bolt, so if we turn the nut around, the bolt has to turn around too......
But if the voltage polarity is constant, electrons will tunnel thru aether to pos.

SO, theaether polarises and then electrons move. But there is a small delay. If you change the voltage of the capacitor plates quickly enough, you can exceed the dielectric breakdown value, because the voltage polarity keeps changing before the electrons can start moving.