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    I have been told that there is a way to turn off permanent magnet field by using a square wave current around 180 khz at right angles to magnetic field lines.Does osmeone has any detailed info about it ?

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    Originally posted by boguslaw View Post
    I have been told that there is a way to turn off permanent magnet field by using a square wave current around 180 khz at right angles to magnetic field lines.Does osmeone has any detailed info about it ?
    Do turning off magnetic field of permanent magnet possible? I think the procedure you mention seems more like neutralizing it by giving the same amount of magnetic in reverse direction.

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    • #3
      @boguslaw It would take some energy to do that at least. What would be the possible benefit of turning the magnetic field off? You wanna elaborate?

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      • #4
        I was told that it doesn't need much energy.Just milliamps at around 180khz DC square wave directly to magnet between NS at right angle to magnetic field lines, 12-24V current.From neo magnet metallic shield must be removed and wires attached by conducting epoxy, then all covered by epoxy or resin.
        It has something to do with Bloch wall domains orientation in one direction or chaotic.
        Did somebody saw any video on youtube about such effect ?

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        • #5
          Apparently such a thing is possible. Check out The Tom Bearden Website although that is more concerned with flux switching. Still, it may be of use to you. There's even a patent referenced on that page which may yield fruit.

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          • #6
            Joseph Flynn PPT concept

            If that was possible; I would be on the band wagon in a flash. No; you
            can not turn the magnetic field (flux) off, neither can you shield it with anything.

            What you might be referring to is probably the Joseph Flynn PPT where
            you can re-direct major portion of the field with low amps.

            Start your research here:

            http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Joseph_Flynn's_Parallel_Path_technology

            I have build three version of this technology / concept and they all work.

            Very good for temporally ‘shut down’ flux on electric motor to allow the magnet
            Of rotor overcome the repel of stator when coming into range. Place this PPT
            On the stator magnets.
            Therefore we need to find NEW ways, NEW experiments and NEW lines of thoughts.

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            • #7
              Shielding Magnetism

              I've heard that a plasma will shield a magnetic field, though I don't know to what extent. But magnetic lines of force can't penetrate a superconducting material.

              And you can turn off a magnet's field by raising it above the Currie point. For some materials, this temperature is close to ambient.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by boguslaw View Post
                I have been told that there is a way to turn off permanent magnet field by using a square wave current around 180 khz at right angles to magnetic field lines.Does osmeone has any detailed info about it ?
                Hi,

                At overunity.com forum member Tao started a thread with exactly this topic, later he deleted his text, then returned to it again and repeated on page 9 what he had deleted, see link to his page 9 post: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...

                All in all, nobody has managed to achive the goal of switching off and on a permanent magnet by pulsing 180kHz (or at other frequency) current through its body.

                @Aromaz

                I fully agree and would like to draw your attention (if you have not seen it) to some ideas Paul Noel showed wrt parallel path, see here:
                Directory:FPPMT:Paul Noel - PESWiki focus on double parallel path lower down that page.

                Regards, Gyula

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gyula View Post
                  Hi,
                  At overunity.com forum member Tao started a thread with exactly this topic, later he deleted his text, then returned to it again and repeated on page 9 what he had deleted, see link to his page 9 post: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...

                  All in all, nobody has managed to achive the goal of switching off and on a permanent magnet by pulsing 180kHz (or at other frequency) current through its body.

                  @Aromaz

                  I fully agree and would like to draw your attention (if you have not seen it) to some ideas Paul Noel showed wrt parallel path, see here:
                  Directory:FPPMT:Paul Noel - PESWiki focus on double parallel path lower down that page.

                  Regards, Gyula
                  If only it was so simple. These attempts were already done by many for
                  more than past 100 years. AC, DC, slow, fast, strong, weak - et all.
                  None worked.

                  As a matter of interest: Place a permanent magnet in series with normal electric wire and pass current through;
                  then replace magnet with normal steel block = the Same. Unless off course your wire and current is so big that it
                  overcomes the magnet anyway.

                  Oh, how I wish.....BUT;
                  MU metal did come a long way and are very interesting 'shield' anyway....
                  Well, there is still hope for something. If only we could know and understand
                  magnetism.

                  Paul Noel:
                  Thanks for the reference: In fact the first replication I did was baed on Paul Noels descriptions.
                  I did alo make one set in three interlaced parts to test effect.

                  Anyway, this complete PPT concept and the resulting motors which are in
                  production; is one of the best improvements and closest to overunity.
                  In reality is 'overunity' if measured Bedini style.
                  Therefore we need to find NEW ways, NEW experiments and NEW lines of thoughts.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Electrotek View Post

                    And you can turn off a magnet's field by raising it above the Currie point. For some materials, this temperature is close to ambient.
                    That only works once.

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                    • #11
                      The concept behind the astronaut's magnetic boots is fine. It works and could be easily checked.
                      I can confirm what is state at Bearden page :

                      " They functioned the same way as did the powered models (shoe and battery powered test that I had sent previously). One wedge pulls off easily, with an increase in force required to move the second piece. No electrical power required."

                      That's interesting because it looks like a memory effect.Even if you put on other side some material or better conductivity for magnetic flux it doesn't want to flow there easily if already formed closed path through tiny plate even.
                      That works fine with ferrite magnets,for neos I can't confirm that,probably much thicker plate are needed.
                      For efficient turning on/off magnet we only need to switch poles from vertical to horizontal plane for example.

                      Do you know if magnets were taken to Moon or space craft above magnetosphere for testing ?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by boguslaw View Post
                        The concept behind the astronaut's magnetic boots is fine. It works and could be easily checked.
                        I can confirm what is state at Bearden page
                        Yes, the boots does work. How? That is exactly what Joseph Flynn asked;
                        and that is the basis of his research. The Flynn PPT concept is based on
                        those space boots. It has nothing to do with memory effect or turning, that is why there was a small A cell (torch battery) in the boots with a switch what connects when foot is bend forward to lift up.

                        Yes, magnets were taken - as experiments very early in the 1970's - all were still normal in outer space; if that is what you wanted to know. Besides all generators, motors, control, communications and main engines of space crafts are still using motors - and motors do have magnets and circuits. Same with all the electronics. Thus the magnetic flux in magnets are the same within mother earth as well as way out past Jupiter? by now.
                        Therefore we need to find NEW ways, NEW experiments and NEW lines of thoughts.

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                        • #13
                          @boguslaw;

                          If you don't mind me asking; What is your purpose/intention or actual reason
                          for this question? I might be able to help you more direct (or save you time
                          and effort).

                          I am probably not an complete expert,
                          but neither am I less knowledgeable about magnets.
                          And, I have done LOTS of experiments with them.

                          Even got magnets to duplicate the actions of my wife and girlfirend when
                          they met accidentally and came to know hidden facts of my life.
                          Therefore we need to find NEW ways, NEW experiments and NEW lines of thoughts.

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                          • #14
                            Aromaz

                            I asked because I had very strange idea. So crazy that I immediately dismiss it.However I found other interesting effects and learned about Coriolis force forming cyclones then I'm not so sure now...

                            Idea is simple. What if magnetic domain is (or is build on) stationary electron wave flowing in circle ? What if that behaves like little cyclone in Earh magnetic field ? What if all we need to do is to forming material which easily orientate such "rings of waves" in the same direction in external magnetic field and this process is like a mark burned in material. So domains are oriented in Earth magnetic field and stationary electrons current flowing in ring inside domains are speed up by Coriolis force generating magnetic field.
                            In other words what if we USED Earth magnetic field during past 150 years without knowing that ?

                            Crazy,but I bet such information would be buried deep into top secret archives...
                            Last edited by boguslaw; 02-07-2009, 04:54 PM. Reason: spell

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by boguslaw View Post
                              Idea is simple. What if magnetic domain is (or is build on) stationary electron wave flowing in circle ? What if that behaves like little cyclone in Earh magnetic field? ................
                              In fact your 'What If' is not so far fetched; and that is held behind locked
                              doors. All this hype about UFO's etc started towards the end of 1940's.
                              BUT it is not Alien space craft; rather it is human made crafts with incredible
                              performance; and that technology were developed by Germans between 1938
                              and 1945. Furthermore, most of what is available from that time and known
                              today does point towards the kind of crafts Tesla talked about.

                              What we (general public) know is very little, but it does go in directions of:

                              High spinning vortex of electrons
                              - affecting electrons and ions in atmosphere (Aether) outside of craft;
                              - creating ionic levitation,
                              - acting as balance and motion,

                              The high concentration of electrons will create and electromagnetic
                              atmosphere - and that will explain some strange phenomenon like glowing
                              light, stalling engines, everything went dead, etc.

                              There are at least four stations on the globe – outside of USA - which might
                              be capable of supporting and probably do maintain these crafts (four I
                              verified to date). In all four these very remote kind of locations you will find
                              regular ‘sightings’. More interesting, all four these stations does have Tesla
                              like towers. Australia, South Africa, Peru, Canada.

                              There should be more but I did not had the time (or reason) to really go into that search yet, though there is a magnetic pattern that correspond with the four known stations which might make it easier to locate the others - even on Google Earth.
                              Therefore we need to find NEW ways, NEW experiments and NEW lines of thoughts.

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