The Mechanical Engine

[vzon17]

Well, that makes perfect sense to me. He mounted an air compressor on the shaft just like my post above suggested placing the dual generator there. Where his leaves off mine begins because an air compressor isn't going to take long to overheat and seize up to a stop. An air compressor has a lower "ceiling" than a generator.

I imagine that's why he went into seclusion, or a major depression.
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well it doesn't require that much air, much of it is harvested from the unit itself. the compressor ...if there is one only supplies a small amount of energy, a small fraction of the what the unit puts out.

[vzon17]

Compressor would be separate

you can see the airlines jerking in the forground as the unit catches the weights probably with a air cylinder as a cushion and then that is used to help lift the weight to center again.

[CloudSeeder]

vzon17, I didn't say it didn't work. Sure it works and it verifies my theory will
also work just better because it uses "electricity fluid" instead of air fluid.
My design makes his obsolete. No big whoop my man.

I've been making some of my own engines obsolete for years.
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[CloudSeeder]

New Source of Energy

I very much admire his website under construction, the colors it uses are very pleasing to the eyes. It's called New Source of Energy, a very attractive page for sure. I notice it has the stats listed on it as something like 10 feet diameter and weighs close to 9,000 pounds, producing 3,000 ft.-lbs. of torque.

So I guess between his engine about to go into production plus my engine at the top of http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post54169 (this page) making his obsolete, the Gravity Wheels we all here are working on have been passed by a couple of thoroughbred racehorses. Or have they? That depends on what the objective and goal is.

My objective since 2003 has been to provide a "new energy source" system for each separate Home and apartment to have. You can't stick a 9,000 POUND GORILLA IN THE HALL CLOSET. It would crash through the floor without a couple thousand dollars worth of steel girder work and concrete underneath it which would wipe out the homeowner's basement space and family room.

He's doing like most people, going for the Big Money. I'm going for a home-sized system that brings responsibility back to people for their own power usage. Power customers are notorious for being gluttonous wastrels running all new energy sources into the ground. So basically no matter how much his gorilla suit system turns out it will never be enough.

He has made a good system, a holy grail system that is cyclical like our Weather Cycle, and I applaud him for that. I applaud him for his success and his terrific-looking website yet under construction. But as for SOLVING THE ENERGY SHORTAGE HE'S FAILED. Gluttons will make sure he failed.

Each of us here on this thread I think, and for myself I know, won't stop working toward making a smaller system that restores personal responsibility to each person and apartment renters because our systems will help people grow th' heck up.

I appreciate you bringing all this to my attention thus helping me make his system vastly yesterday. He can sell his at $100,000 a whop expensive as a Hobart mixer in a Dunkin' Donuts shop to small businesses, which I imagine was his intention all along. More power to the man!
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[CloudSeeder]

One Air Compressor:

vzon17 has a point in Post #546 http://www.energeticforum.com/54164-post546.html that since the video of the 9,000 lb-to-be spinning wheel could have more than one compressor mechanism. I looked very closely at the video, poor as it was, and beside the wheel I spied out what looked like a large air compressor on the work table. So I did not automatically assume ONE COMPRESSOR in order to "win" the "argument".

I saw one compressor. However, since the video was deliberately poor quality and from a distance not close up I think vzon17 may be onto something. The inventor could have deliberately placed the one compressor in easy view to keep us from understanding what his device was really doing. The device could very well be primarily a centrifugal-force+gravity hybrid machine!

False Breadcrumbs Shades of Kemosabe Masked Man Clayton Moore

The weights could indeed be mashing a diaphragm inside the outer rim position, routing the air down to the shaft to power a steam engine-like central piston. Or, all the accumulated air could be passing an outlet port at the bottom and sent over into the air compressor on the bench perhaps while shutting off the port to prevent back losses.

It would be interesting to know how his system agrees/disagrees with Peter's formula. Since we know it works, going into production to generate 3,000 ft-lbs of crank power, it's a perfect test for the formula. Right?
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[CloudSeeder]

I suspected something was amiss because he stopped it with a hand crank

Anyone who watches the video, okay, the inventor went over to the thingy on the work bench and turned a hand crank to get it to stop. Since the thingy LOOKED LIKE A COMPRESSOR most everyone would #1 assume it was a compressor and that #2 he was releasing the air. Look at the video again! When he turned the crank on the "compressor" the spinning stopped very fast not gradual. It didn't expend the spinning energy like it should have according to how fast it was spinning! It's a good likelihood he was cranking a disk brake down on the shaft. The reason I suspected that was because I'm building my wheel this week and having to face the same problem:

HOW DO YOU STOP IT? ANSWER: BRAKE AGIN THE SHAFT.
Lesson: a good inventor always holds something back.
vzon17 made the call.

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[marxist]

brake

Hi CloudSeeder,

you are right, that the crank is to operate a brake.
The inventor's name is ROBERT KOSTOFF
Time ago there was a thread on OverUnity.com
in which he himself made some contributions (but then stopped):
New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !

Anyone who watches the video, okay, the inventor went over to the thingy on the work bench and turned a hand crank to get it to stop. ........ I'm building my wheel this week and having to face the same problem:

HOW DO YOU STOP IT? ANSWER: BRAKE AGIN THE SHAFT.

Man, holding my thumbs and my breath for you.
Good luck.

Lesson: a good inventor always holds something back.

The opposite is true, in my oppinion

[marxist]

patent US2009051169 (A1)

Found the patent pertaining to the above posting(s):
patent of KOSTOFF ROBERT

[CloudSeeder]

Good Inventors ALWAYS Hold Something Back, and Here's Why:

@Marxist: The reason all inventors should -and most do already- "hold something back" is not to deprive humankind (and women) of the product of their inventiveness! We can and should let the world know when we have accomplished something great. I do it all the time. I'm straightforward and an open book.

However, that doesn't mean I have to eat stupid pills for breakfast. Many inventions have multiple facets and tricks that make them work. So when we have something great and WE KNOW IT'S GREAT how do we show people without one of them running straight to a Patent Office and filing it in their name? Unless we own a law office we can't. We watch the thieves abscond with the satchels overflowing with monies we need to continue our work on to the next great idea.

I got this advice from an author, forgetting his name at the moment since it's been 6 years and a couple heart seizures under my belt, but he wrote it in his book. HOLD SOMETHING BACK. Not to cripple the invention just to keep it from completely inventing Space Travel and losing it all, because when they steal your idea they also steal your Right for YOUR NAME to go on any patents.

I don't cringe when I lose Money but this thing of taking my name I have difficulty with.

In my posts here on the Energetic Forums I've decided to do it less, partly because I feel like this is an honorable website keeping a good record of what I post. But I keep copies of many choice posts too. A few times I have written stuff online deliberately so "thieves" that have the monies to build them will run with the ball I handed them. Thievery then can be viewed as a tappable resource. But I still hold back sometimes til I feel it's time for me to make my move and drop the accelerator on this or that particular idea. I control when the horse gate opens. It all depends on how things play out. Sometimes you tell all and nothing happens, which is exceedingly disappointing. So what I do lots of times is release enough to see if the fish are biting.

Then I make my decision whether to throw the frisbee.

When I get my first Gravity Wheel running soon I intend to throw it.

I don't believe in teasing people because I don't like being teased either.

All my writing on here has not been to tease. I'm delivering the Goods

before I come off looking like a charlatan.
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[CloudSeeder]

http://current.com/items/90035508_nasas-most-dangerous-shuttle-mission-ever.htm

About a month ago I began posting on a new website in the title above is my latest 3 posts today. I have thrown the gauntlet down friends. At the feet of the man. Rats. Looks like I'll actually have to build one of these things.

The horses just left the gate if ya didn't blink.

NASA's most dangerous shuttle mission ever // Current

Just kidding. I have most the parts now, going out in a bit to get the rest. I also yesterday completed the design down to the roller bearings of my engine from 2003; the one I last year in February came to realize one day needed to be designed as a Mechanical Heart. The one that has all the pistons firing at the exact same time for a tremendous increase of horsepower... powered completely without any combustion fuels. Not even methane.

The one that doubles its horsepower by returning to 2-cycle firing twice as fast. The one that has an 1100% power increase over combustion engines using these and some other "tricks" that Detroit refuses to pull from their knapsack. Flywheel Energy that makes it possible to upshift into Direct Drive because the engine is so powerful it can do that.

Looks like a good day for a hot furnace in the big town tonight.
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[CloudSeeder]

Mission to Mars? Nope. Taking care a business here first:

I picked up the rest of what I need to cover the first wheel plus enough left over to build my next two wheels. Total Cost => $100.00 <> Start putting Humpty Dumpty together tomorrow. My chest has been hurting right much since yesterday, letting up now. I must've taken too many of all these nutrition products I just started.

They all said they would make me JUMP HIGHER...

[Stealth]

I like your post that spells it out, we all hold something back. I think I probably speak for most on here when I say,"yes", I withold certain bits of info. Not that I am going to patent it, or maybe so, but if I gave out all my info, then there would be no need for ideas from other people on the subject. I think part of the fun is in the learning to do it ourselves, not being told every thing we need to make a certain project work. I have read many patents of many great inventors, and they did not devulge everything in their patent. I have a great deal of respect for someone who tells enough, but not every detail of a working project. Good Luck. Stealth

[CloudSeeder]

Patent Examination Time &lt;&gt; Asking the question WHAT IF? Demanding an answer.

Marxist, thanks for locating and posting the patent pictures for =>

patent of Robert Kostoff of Canada <> It took me a few minutes to figure them out.
Very good work he did, intricate too and classy in a large scale sort of way.

Stealth! Thanks. The Wind is at my back til morning, or something Star Trekkie.

I apologize if I stepped on your toes at any time. I have the Riley loudmouth gene.

[CloudSeeder]

Some people are just jealous about what I have in my genes.

[CloudSeeder]

vzon17: You cansee the airlines jerking

vzon17: Thanks for all your posts. When you wrote "you can see the air lines jerking" the motion in flopping air lines represents energy escaping directly being used, albeit still part of the working system he has made. In a large system like Mr. Kostoff has he can afford such losses. In a smaller system it might have importance whether the system functions as desired.

Flipping that around then, some of the systems a few Members have built that possibly appeared not to work could be not working because they are too small to work. They could just need to be larger.