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[CloudSeeder]

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[john_g]

Some wheel ideas

Hi

As this thread has gone quite thought I would post some ideas. Use of a wheel to support a weight can be used to create some rotation. Shown is a leaf spring supporting the wheel but other methods will work, scissor link and spring comes to mind - Bessler seemed keen on these!

Some designs may require levers to go through the axle line and a method of achieving this is shown.

[Cloxxki]

Hi John,

Your (very nice) drawings seem to fit a popular type of exploration.

Have you read up the threads on the Abeling device? Although kept a secret (what else is new?), it seems to work in ver similar manner.
At one point, I propose a setup very similar to yours. Yours may have some details which really help.

A variation : what if the lower wheel pivoted back, compressing a spring? If the central shaft would be outfitted with a smart type of one-way clutch, the release of the spring at the end of the ramp could offer a nice "shot put" action in the left-upper quandrant as Abeling describes it.

Yet another option would be a telescopically inward movable rod, keeping both on a 180ş axis through the central axle.

[john_g]

Hi John,

Your (very nice) drawings seem to fit a popular type of exploration.

Have you read up the threads on the Abeling device? Although kept a secret (what else is new?), it seems to work in ver similar manner.
At one point, I propose a setup very similar to yours. Yours may have some details which really help.

A variation : what if the lower wheel pivoted back, compressing a spring? If the central shaft would be outfitted with a smart type of one-way clutch, the release of the spring at the end of the ramp could offer a nice "shot put" action in the left-upper quandrant as Abeling describes it.



Yet another option would be a telescopically inward movable rod, keeping both on a 180ş axis through the central axle.

Hi, I will look at the abeling. You are right a compressed spring will shoot the wheel through, see graphic of mock up. It may also be possible to use the dead weight to drive the active weight, will post when I get the drawing done, but as an idea if the weights are forced always outwards then some new ideas may appear. Thats why I needed a way to get a lever through the axle line.

[Cloxxki]

Hi, I will look at the abeling. You are right a compressed spring will shoot the wheel through, see graphic of mock up. It may also be possible to use the dead weight to drive the active weight, will post when I get the drawing done, but as an idea if the weights are forced always outwards then some new ideas may appear. Thats why I needed a way to get a lever through the axle line.

Nice work!

Keep in mind that a weight being slung forward will drag the wheel backward by the same amount, unless the movements are somehow isolated. I.e. the rod being able to press back against an immovable member, or a locking up clutch. The $1trillion question is : how do compression and release effect even out?

[john_g]

Hi all

Here's an idea for the wheel. The concept is that the weight from the dead side gets relived by a fixed axle, which runs through the actual axle. Weights are attached via spring steel/ flex joint. So as you can hopefully see,on the dead side, part of the weight is on the wheel rim and the rest is on the fixed axle, via a cup that fits over the fixed axle. This should reduce the effective weight on the dead side. The drive side cup falls away, because the weight falls, and full weight transmitted to the rim, thus driving the wheel.

What do you think? Or have I missed a basic thing? This is design Number???? -lost count.

[Cloxxki]

Hi all

Here's an idea for the wheel. The concept is that the weight from the dead side gets relived by a fixed axle, which runs through the actual axle. Weights are attached via spring steel/ flex joint. So as you can hopefully see,on the dead side, part of the weight is on the wheel rim and the rest is on the fixed axle, via a cup that fits over the fixed axle. This should reduce the effective weight on the dead side. The drive side cup falls away, because the weight falls, and full weight transmitted to the rim, thus driving the wheel.

What do you think? Or have I missed a basic thing? This is design Number???? -lost count.

Some original thinking went into that John, it may come well in handy.
I'm afraid that it doesn't matter what a weight is connected to in this context. Take it to the extreme, get the dead weight closer to the axe, or even past it. I would be surprised if it operated any different than when placed fixed to a disc wheel. Instant equilibrium :-s

[CloudSeeder]

You need to make a different & new kind of pendulum... a weight that hangs from a flopping arm that flops forward as it passes a certain point. Looking on from the side let's say the wheel is spinning counter clockwise, right? You have extended arms with weights on the end and those provide the wheel stability of momentum. Perhaps halfway down closer to the axle you have a decent thick wire attached to the left side of the arm, so that as it passes say 11 AM the wire falls, except the wire has a horizontal pivot sleeve on the end.

It isn't a long wire.perhaps an inch or two in length, but another wire through the sleeve is free rotation. For keeping it balanced you would stick a wire through the sleeve, attach two weights, one to each end and then bend down the wire to hold the "pendulum" weights even. So when the arm is given a spin as it passes 11:30 AM it falls, and when it reaches the end of its fall the weights suddenly STOP. This provides a BIG SNAP to the arm.

That friends is what Gravity lacks <> it lacks SNAP, and this system will provide it. Instead of the soft pull of the standard pendulum this "two-stage pendulum" does a sudden impact to the arm. Also there is a very important additional effect going on here in the path => the orbit followed by the weights hanging from the sleeve. Instead of being stuck & static in one spot they are hanging and moving, changing their former circular orbit of regular pendulums to being the low to the axle orbit going across the top while following impact they hang lower, helping the impact have follow-through.

Coming up the right side they are hanging also closer to the axle than its counterpart on the other side enjoying another big snap. This is the parabolic orbital path we have all known had to be done to succeed. I'm working on such a system, two actually, right now. I'm also trying a simple sliding-to-impact weight system as well, having built two separate systems to try them on already.

[CloudSeeder]

a split sleeve, one half to each side independent of the other half.

Looking over that previous post (http://www.energeticforum.com/72403-post608.html) I think maybe there's a slight glitch. For all that to work the sleeve has to reset back to the start and the arm is in the way for the second sleeve to come back around. You might hafta use a split sleeve, one half to each side independent of the other half. Also you might need a pin to recess into the arm to allow each half to pass and then the pin come back out to stop them from falling backwards & down.

I'm not up to doing all that so I'll drop back to previous ideas I've worked on.

[CloudSeeder]

Bessler's Unique Use of Pendulums

Johann Bessler lived at a time when clocks were prized. His contemporary Thomas Newcomen made some improvements to the Watt steam engine at the same time Bessler made his wheels... and Newcomen's solutions had a clock aspect and look also, so Bessler might also have had clock work in mind.

A pendulum is a very precise instrument, so using pendulums could have given his wheel the precision timing it needed to release the weights. It doesn't hurt either that the pendulum's swing is an early weight added to the weight it triggers to fall, or slide. I think Bessler made a double-banger.

Small-Big, Small-Big, Small-Big order = Small+Big, Small+Big, Small+Big combination punch.

So the distance the pendulum moved is long whereas the heavy weight it triggered would fall a short distance <> otherwise the pendulum swinging backwards would pull the system backwards also. The released weight would not only overpower the negative pendulum swing it was also a heavy enough weight to actually help pull the pendulum fully back for reset.

hahahahahahaha bang-BANG Peter, bang-BANG, Bessler did a double banger that did two birds with one stone. Forward muscle enough to jerk the pendulum fully back.

[CloudSeeder]

San Diego Forums has the NavCom! Earth Coordinates, Gravity Wheel Scorpion Design:

Scorpion Solution to Gravity Wheels?
Why the Pelican wheel design failed.

I posted my most recent solution to successful Gravity Wheel construction here => Smart Living: Page 163 SignOnSanDiego Forums <> as of 11/19/2009. Also included is the reason why the "Pelican" gravity wheel design was unable to quite work... which has applications I believe to many other's gravity wheel designs not quite reaching continuous spin. I'm a bit slogged down by the cold weather so I decided to go ahead and put my Scorpion Solution to Gravity Wheels online for everyone else to springboard a bit further in the pool.

All gravity wheels are a bit of a clock. Just like that last post here from 11/02/2009, showing how a pendulum could be used to trigger release of the weights although hmm, I left out in that post a need for the pendulum fulcrum to be raised up by a small cam.

An apartment without people helping you build these wheels is a poor route to success, but by posting these solutions success is very near.

[bugler]

About the Chas Campbell flywheel test done by panacea

Hi.

I have seen a video three years old where panacea guys inlcuding Ash test a replication of the Chas Campbell flywheel.

The conclusion is that it didn't work. But as I understand that the replication was not an exact one but a modificacion with RV motor I would like to know more details about it.

Have anyone tested or watched the original flywheel?
Why did you modified the desing adding a RV? Wouldn't make more sense making first and exact replication and then, if it works, making modifications?

I have been suggested by Pratick Kelly to make a replication (he suggested also the water flywheel and the 5.5kw generator with HHO) so I would like to know more about the testing.

Apparently nobody has done an exact replication.

thanks.

[Turion]

Peter's ideas plus mine

Peter,
Here is a sketch of what I am building. If it works I'll let you know.

[stanlez2010]

gravity engine

Hi to All,

I made last weekend small gravity engine, 6 rotable arms, ended with 6 arc with 6 steel balls. All inside one bigger circle, that have to do rotation. But it works not.

Here I have a link: YouTube - gravity engine version 3

[stanlez2010]

Hi Peter,

your device will never work, because you have F1*L1 = F2*L2, where F-force like gravitational force, and L - length, like leverage, arm.

1 kg 2 kg
----------------------------
2 m /\ 1 m
----

1kg * 2m = 2kg*1m
2 = 2 and this is perfect stabilized balance

Thanks.