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  • #16
    Hi Warren,
    Very nice quality work.
    I know how it is to get an idea stuck in your head and become obsessed by it, happens to me all the time. It happened to me once I built a Milkovic two stage oscillator. I had to know where the excess energy was coming from. This eventually led me to the study of orbits.
    If you look into the shape of sustainable orbits, such as the Earth's orbit around the Sun, you find that they are all non circular. They are instead elliptical. What does this mean?
    It means that an elliptical orbit "gains" extra energy by virtue of its shape. The property of this asymmetrical orbit is that it alternately contains a centrifugal and a centripetal component, and it is also in resonance.
    Nature continually seeks to balance an inherently unbalanced universe. An elliptical orbit is unbalanced. Therefore, Nature has to add energy to the system to maintain balance, which is why the Earth, electrons and the rest of the heavenly bodies don't all spiral into their primaries.
    This is also why Milkovic's two stage oscillator, as well as Peters wheel, produce more mechanical energy than is originally added by an external source.
    The centrifugal force of a pendulum is used in both cases to add energy to the device. If you study the work Milkovic did, beside his two stage oscillator, he conclusively proves that centrifugal force will produce more energy than is added by the operator.
    Veljko built a small "car" that has two pendulums which swing horizontally towards the front of the car. By manually swinging these pendulums in front of him, Milkovic was able to propel the car forward. This conclusively proves that there is a net physical force in the direction of the apogee of the pendulum's arc. If the system was balanced, as modern physics will tell you it must be, there would be no forward movement of the car.
    This same principal can be used in designing "gravity" wheels. As Peter has done, employing the force of the pendulum on the downward side of the wheel will add torque to the wheels rotation. Then tucking the weight as close to the axis of rotation as possible for the trip back up allows the use of leverage to lift the load.
    Victor Schauberger was an early proponent of the egg shaped orbit. He discovered that extra energy is added to any rotating mass utilizing this type of orbit. His work was primarily with water, and the study of it's physical movement and properties. He designed spiral pipes that would actually add linear force to the water that was flowing through them. This was accomplished because the water would rotate through both a centripetal and a centrifugal component during each cycle. A circular pipe cannot facilitate this type of orbit.
    I could go on and on citing examples of centrifugal force adding extra energy to a rotating system (think of an unbalanced wheel, or the slingshot effect), but the point is that this is the force to be utilized. Find a way to incorporate this force into any rotating system and it can easily become self sustaining.

    ,

    Ted

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    • #17
      Very good Point Ted
      Theorizer are like High Voltage. A lot hot Air with no Power behind but they are the dead of applied Work and Ideas.

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      • #18
        Nice Post

        Ted,

        Thanks for your broad, overview on the topic of harnessing Centrifugal Force for a gain in Work. Nature is using this principle all of the time, as you point out.

        I hadn't figured out the stuff about elliptical orbits yet. Cleaver of you to see that!

        Great stuff!

        Peter
        Peter Lindemann, D.Sc.

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        • #19
          Ted, great post!
          This animation can probably help to better understand what Ted said:
          YouTube - Visualization of the Coriolis and centrifugal forces
          It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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          • #20
            Wooooo

            Originally posted by Jetijs View Post
            Ted, great post!
            This animation can probably help to better understand what Ted said:
            YouTube - Visualization of the Coriolis and centrifugal forces
            Jetijs,

            This YouTube clip is way too good. Humans should not be allowed to know this much!

            Peter
            Peter Lindemann, D.Sc.

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            • #21
              Thanks guys.
              I went from orbits to vortexes, then to pulsed vortexes. A pulsed vortex will get you lots of energy too.
              I saw one of those finned, vortex producing devices used on the input of an engine in an ad. It looked pathetic to me, so I designed a unit that would produce a serious vortex and stuck it on my motorcycle. It worked really good. So I stuck one on my car and it worked good too, although not as good as the one on the bike. I realized that the vortex worked best in a pulsed mode. Between engine cycles, the air in the intake area continued to rotate even though the intake valve was closed. This produced pressure as the air continued being drawn into the vortex. When the intake valve opened, pressurized air was available instead of having to draw air in.
              The car didn't work quite as well because it's a four cylinder, and there is not as much time between cycles to build up pressure.
              In the case of my bike, I had to significantly richen up the mixture in order for it to burn correctly. This also really increased low end torque while still getting the same gas mileage as before. If I take the unit off the bike, the power and the mileage take a dive. Patrick Kelly did a little write up about it on page 159 of chapter 10 if anyone's interested.
              Anyway, one more thought... We've all seen the path of a river flowing over relatively flat land. It twists and turns and rarely runs in a straight line. This is because water will always travel through the path of least resistance and the path of least resistance is obviously not a straight line.
              At first glance, a curvy course may seem like it would have more resistance than a straight line. However, when one takes into account that centrifugal force adds energy to any moving body, then things look different.
              A river is constantly adding energy to it's flow through every twist and turn. Every turn sees water flowing in an arc just like a pendulum. Why should a river be any different than Milkovic's two stage oscillator? Adding energy is the same as lowering the resistance to any moving mass. Now you know why water always attempts to bend and twist while running in a stream.



              Ted

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              • #22
                I'll be honest

                I thought that while the bessler wheel might be a nice toy, that it would quickly stop if it was connected to a load..

                Apparently not so;

                http://www.free-energy.co.uk/html/bo...eel_tests.html

                I'm back on board
                Atoms move for free. It's all about resonance and phase. Make the circuit open and build a generator.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Peter Lindemann View Post
                  Jetijs,

                  This YouTube clip is way too good. Humans should not be allowed to know this much!

                  Peter
                  Yes Peter, you are right
                  It all makes perfect sense now. I remember adam_ant talked a lot about spirals in nature and spiral shaped coils. Shauberger also talks alot about spirals. Now I sort of got that. We must understand, that we are not living in this one dimention. We are never standing still, because our earth is rotating and it is moving around the sun in the same time. The sun also does not stand still, you know If we take all this into account, then it is suddenly no wonder that rivers flow like they do. Electricity is also a movement, no wonder that various spiral shaped coils produce strange effect sometimes and oscillate at their resonant frequency even without any input power
                  This is a good food for thought.
                  Thanks Ted!
                  It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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                  • #24
                    Found this

                    YouTube - Chas Campbell - Gravity Wheel
                    Atoms move for free. It's all about resonance and phase. Make the circuit open and build a generator.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Jetijs View Post
                      Yes Peter, you are right
                      It all makes perfect sense now. I remember adam_ant talked a lot about spirals in nature and spiral shaped coils. Shauberger also talks alot about spirals. Now I sort of got that. We must understand, that we are not living in this one dimention. We are never standing still, because our earth is rotating and it is moving around the sun in the same time. The sun also does not stand still, you know If we take all this into account, then it is suddenly no wonder that rivers flow like they do. Electricity is also a movement, no wonder that various spiral shaped coils produce strange effect sometimes and oscillate at their resonant frequency even without any input power
                      This is a good food for thought.
                      Thanks Ted!
                      A guy I really like to read, and you might also enjoy, is Walter Russell. He's not always easy to understand, but he has a very interesting theory on the physical universe. He claims that he gets his understanding through direct knowledge imparted in a high state of consciousness. Most people who claim to have this type of knowledge are full of horse****, but I think this guy is different.
                      The reason I like him is because the more I experiment and learn, the more his theory fits in with what I find to work. This is the only criteria that I really pay attention to: does it work or not?
                      I spend a lot of time and energy building devices to see if a theory really does what it claims. I've built a lot of stuff that sounds real good in theory but doesn't work at all in reality. So I have come to develop my own theory about how physics work, based on what I have read and found out for myself.
                      The world is much more fascinating and enjoyable if one keeps an open mind to new possibilities. It's easy to become jaded and cynical because of all the false promises we receive throughout our lives. But that's just a form of escape and protection. Discovering a new aspect of Nature that yields yet another form of Her boundless energy is worth slogging through all the BS to get to. Mother Nature will reveal her secrets to the earnest seeker. Ask and ye shall receive, knock and the door will be opened.
                      Metaphysically speaking, this whole creation is a lie. It is not the ultimate reality and has about as much real substance as a bad dream. Nevertheless, it has purpose and structure, which means there is logic and reason behind it's creation. Our lot as sentient beings is to figure out what the real purpose and structure are.
                      I've looked extensively into man's sordid history and find far more revulsion than inspiration. That's why I like the beauty and simplicity of Mother Nature. It may be a form of non reality in one sense, but while I have to live in it, it is an inspiration of brilliant construct at every turn. I am in a constant state of humbled awe while exploring the mechanisms of this wonderful creation. The Great Architect has kindly provided the disillusioned among us a lifetime of fascinating aspects of His physical universe to explore.

                      Cheers,

                      Ted

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Inquorate View Post
                        I found this, unfortunately.



                        And for the Sience, i think, it isnt all a Lie, there are couple Things some usefull,
                        but they stuff a lot Holes, what they cannot Explain, or her other Theories dont match anymore and would crash down the Rest.
                        And then, they bend the Rest, how they like it, that some Dr. Dr. Prof got a comfortable Life, maybe, when he 'Discover' something Big, once in his Life.
                        Sometimes i think our Sience just goes till the Border of our Frontdoor.
                        But understandable, when you cant proove and show something, you get mostly the Outsider our Wierdos Stamp.
                        Seems, it is you only legal to reasearch outside the Box, when you get payed for that.
                        Theorizer are like High Voltage. A lot hot Air with no Power behind but they are the dead of applied Work and Ideas.

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                        • #27
                          That giant wheel Chas Campbell made that uses the pool balls sure does look interesting. After sketching it out on paper and looking at the basic principles it looks to me that it would not work though. Chas explains leverage in his machine as a weight is mounted on the outer wheel while another is mounted on the opposite side of the inner wheel. Due to the ball return system that uses gravity, the outer wheel is limited on space where the weights will touch. There would be double the amount of weights on the inner wheel compared to the outer so it would just balance out. Pretty hard to write it down, anyone follow?

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                          • #28
                            How about this guy?

                            Directory:Bob Kostoff Gravity Machine - PESWiki
                            Atoms move for free. It's all about resonance and phase. Make the circuit open and build a generator.

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                            • #29
                              Doesn't Work

                              Hi Guys,

                              First of all, the Chas Campbell Gravity Wheel was thoroughly investigated by the folks at PANACEA. It does not work.

                              Second, the page at PESwiki on Bob Kostoff is a reasonable assessment of the situation. None of the films show enough detail of the machine to know anything about it's real method of operation. No one has been allowed to see the machine and report back in the public domain about it's operational validity. No patents or patent applications have shown up in the public records. So, we don't know anything about it.

                              Three, the reason I published my article on The Mechanical Engine is to provide researchers with a CLEAR PATH forward in this research. Gravity, by itself, is NOT available as an energy source. Only CENTRIFUGAL FORCE is available to be harnessed as it moves a mass through a distance of travel, and therefore EVOLVES WORK simply from rotation (W=f x d). It is also clear that Centrifugal Force in the RADIAL VECTOR is also NOT available to drive the mechanism, as it simply produces a force against the perimeter. This is why the weights SWING. Only a Centrifugal Force produced tangentially to the axis is available to drive the machine. This requires the wheel to turn SLOWLY enough to allow this process to happen, and not be overcome by the force in the radial vector.

                              With cleaver mechanical arrangements, and a careful study of NATURE, the "f" in the equation W=f x d can be Centrifugal Force, and a true, fuel-less engine can be made using mechanical principles.

                              Bessler did it in 1712. I believe that my Mechanical Engine article describes the proper principles involved in Bessler's system, even if the design still needs refinement.

                              I would prefer this thread not degrade into a rehash of all the other failed designs out there.

                              Peter
                              Last edited by Peter Lindemann; 02-16-2009, 06:32 PM.
                              Peter Lindemann, D.Sc.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by mrbreau
                                The procedure I used was to build and verify. At each verification point new meanings of bessler’s words became apparent……….and the drawings too. For example, drawing #106 is merely a picture of how the device is to be timed, which also verified all the previous constructions.

                                What I really found interesting was that this system actually goes neutral TWICE during every quarter turn! By neutral I mean balanced. I think that in itself is awesome.

                                Quite intresting still.
                                I think, you can apply that at any Coil or working with Current too, that you actually get twice a Neutral Point at a complete Round.
                                Theorizer are like High Voltage. A lot hot Air with no Power behind but they are the dead of applied Work and Ideas.

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