The Mechanical Engine

[CloudSeeder]

@ Marxist: which the #1 pendulum additionally dragging of the #2 pendulum ascending only works if you leave out the crosspiece, much as I might like it to be there for reminding me of my wind engine.

Corrections hit us all.

[Peter Lindemann]

Not My Design

It seems all I can do is watch here, so keep up the good work guys .

Here is the video:

Failed result:
YouTube - Peter Lindemann gravity wheel simulation
YouTube - Benjamin "Inquorate" Brandwood gravity wheel concept, pendulum hit energy

better result:
YouTube - Inquorate gravity wheel tweak and hit concept, almost a success

Sucahyo,

Your animations are interesting, and obviously represent a great deal of work in the simulator program, but calling your first one here "Peter Lindemann gravity wheel simulation" is not fair at all. This animation contains ideas from many different people in this thread, and is NOT a true representation of any of my designs. In all fairness, I'd appreciate it if you'd take my name off the title to that film.

My design clearly shows significant weights on the pendulums, and a mechanism that allows only a SINGLE SWING per pendulum per revolution. My latch mechanisms ride on a cam and are spring loaded against a STOP, to simply release the pendulum at the proper moment and then catch it again at its highest possible position on the first return swing.

Your animation shows a design with unweighted pendulums, swinging multiple times per release, and a latch mechanism that is spring loaded to bounce freely and latch randomly on the opposite side of the wheel. This operation is totally unrelated to any design I have proposed.

I would really like you to take my name off that wheel, because it will just confuse other people on the internet who stumble into it. I didn't design it, I am not responsible for what it does or does not do, and I don't want my name associated with it.

Second, my original design did not fully integrate the energy that is apparently available from the transfer of momentum by elastic collision, demonstrated by Inquorate's early experiments. So, the design that I originally published in my article is KNOWN to everyone in this thread as OBSOLETE! At this point, that design is simply "the starting point" of this thread, and the basis for just ONE of the wheel driving methods under investigation here.

So, I don't mind being associated with my own designs that DON'T WORK, I just don't want to be associated with YOUR designs that don't work.

Peter

[CloudSeeder]

I second that Peter. Whenever any one of us starts pasting another's name on something it should definitely be cleared first. Confusion is something we don't need more of. I apologize if I stepped in the puddle too.

[Inquorate]

Updates

I can't get the latch - pendulum return from spring idea to work; because the pendulum gives up most of it's energy as torque on the wheel, the pendulum only resets at 9 o'clock, and the work required to lift the pendulum that far costs more than the torque I'm getting. Perhaps with an actual spring that compresses and extends, the results would be different.

A few tips for latches; make the start position of the pendulum a fair way from the latch's fulcrum - that way the energy required to trip the latch to release the pendulum will be less because you will only have to displace the end moving over the timing wheel a small amount.

If it is too close to the latch's fulcrum, it costs a lot of the wheel's momentum to trigger the release of the pendulum.

The stationary trigger wheel will return some of the energy that was required to trigger the pendulum's release if the bump is not too steep on the other side; the spring or rubber band will pull down the bump.

But, if it is not steep enough, the latch will not be in place in time to catch the pendulum.

// I have had another idea. Very similar yet different. In fact an amalgamation of Peter's and my ideas, plus a little tweak.

In my new idea, the latch only releases the pendulum, and does not try to catch it. This is effectively what my eccentric wheel design was doing.

And the latch only grabs the pendulum between 2 and 3 o'clock; the rest of the time the pendulum is free to swing. I have found that the swinging pendulum with a slow swing or a long arc will spend more time being 'lighter' than a non swinging pendulum. So, this design uses that phenomena.

The small amount of time that the pendulum is captured, and the fact that it is verticle when captured at 2 o'clock, means that the ratio of mass distribution on the wheel is less extreme, so less work needs to be done to keep the wheel turning.

Now, the pendulum only swings from 1/8th of a complete circular rotation on the left side, to 1/8th on the right side. Which isn't much.

But the trick is to get the pendulum to hit the bottom of the stationary (not part of the wheel) super bouncy ball, and not the side.

There's more torque in that collision event than I've seen in all of my previous experiments. About 2x, even though the pendulum is swinging half as far.

So, today I'm off to the hardware store for more pendulum wood; my next setup will have the full 8 pendulums as in this setup, the latches can be a layer underneath the pendulums; the latch only needs to contact the pendulum it's very tip.

Love and light

[Ted Ewert]

Initial indications on my impact wheel are less than inspiring. Besides a number of mechanical issues, it appears to be moderately unbalanced. Unbalanced enough so that some design modifications need to be made.
I spent the last week building two fairly complex wheels and I'm feeling fried. I can see this is going to be a long road (so what else is new).
I need to figure out the right combination of balance and energy generation. I still think the pendulum has the best chance of working, but I want to try some more ideas I have to get a better understanding of this mechanism.
There is a very interesting dynamic here. If you look at the Earth's orbit around the Sun, the Earth speeds up when it gets close to the Sun. The suns gravity pulls the earth in and it accelerates. However, when it gets going fast enough, it's centrifugal force propels it out and away from the sun and into the wider part of the orbit. The earth gains enough energy on each pass to escape being pulled into the sun.
So, why doesn't a pendulum act the same way? Why doesn't a pendulum gain more energy as it descends and accelerates, so that it rises higher on each pass? Where is the critical difference?
I know the standard answers to these questions, but what I'm trying to do is to understand the dynamics of energy gain in an orbit. How do I translate what the earth does around the sun into my wheel? The force of gravity on the wheel is much different that the force of gravity on the earth. I'm trying to bend things around in my head to make it work. I'm starting to think of cones.

Cheers,

Ted

[Inquorate]

Earth and sun v pendulum

@ Ted - the difference with the earth and sun vis v the pendulum is voltage potential (direction of aetheric flow towards ie mass) and magnetic field (bound fields of aetheric stress) so the earth carries it's own inertia field with it, so when the earth's line of travel exceeds a certain percentage across the sun's inward aether flow, the aether flow stops influencing the earth's trajectory as much.

Think of a sailboat travelling on the ocean with a wind direction that steadily changes, and that has an outboard motor always pointing the boat forward.

If nobody changes the sails, the boat would favor an elliptical path.

T. T. Brown's work in Electrogravitics is doing this also.

Love and light

[Ted Ewert]

@ Ted - the difference with the earth and sun vis v the pendulum is voltage potential (direction of aetheric flow towards ie mass) and magnetic field (bound fields of aetheric stress) so the earth carries it's own inertia field with it, so when the earth's line of travel exceeds a certain percentage across the sun's inward aether flow, the aether flow stops influencing the earth's trajectory as much.

Think of a sailboat travelling on the ocean with a wind direction that steadily changes, and that has an outboard motor always pointing the boat forward.

If nobody changes the sails, the boat would favor an elliptical path.

T. T. Brown's work in Electrogravitics is doing this also.

Love and light

But, how's that going to keep my wheel balanced while I extract kinetic energy?
I feel like I have a piece of the puzzle floating in front of me but I just can't quite reach it. I'll do a few experiments tomorrow and see if I can't figure a thing or two out. I need to get rebalanced, in more ways than one.

Cheers,

Ted

PS, how heavy are the weights on your pendulums?

[Inquorate]

Weight of pendulums

At the moment, just 4 big washers, probably about 1/2 to 3/4 of a kilo.? My carpentry / engineering skills aren't the best..

I have lead sinkers but I haven't followed that option yet.

[CloudSeeder]

of Pendulums and Earth vs Universe Gravity

@All who use pendulums:

Is a pendulum really complete if it lacks a top-extended counterweight?

@Ted:

The planet is being pulled outward by the planets further out than Earth plus their moons plus the unseen matter of the universe. To duplicate that would be a real trick. It might could be done with magnets but I believe if the pendulum was extended above the pivot you would accomplish the same thing.

It would also bounce back a lot harder to reach a latch.

[CloudSeeder]

Extending the Pendulum

Extending the pendulum is not the same as what I was saying to Marxist. His pendulum is made to slide. A Fixed Pendulum extension would be a heavy weight above the 'pendulum anchoring rivet' but not very far! Plus I believe you'd then want more weight in the bottom end of the pendulum.

This weight extension just above the pendulum rivet would add Inertia (increase the Slam) to the outward centrifugal force of the lower pendulum's weight.

It would also collectively add Momentum to the overall Wheel Spin. That added Momentum (Moving Inertial Force) would help overcome & negate the slower spin of the plywood weight inside the diameter of the pendulums.

[CloudSeeder]

The upper weight added above the pendulum rivet does not work against the centrifugal pulling the lower pendulum -because- the upper extension weight is close to the rivet. It's centrifugal is still there but it's pulling against the rivet (and rivet pulling against the hub) by having a short arm, so its centrifugal negative is kept minimal while its added inertia to the lower pendulum weight will be very significantly enhanced (so long as the lower pendulum weight is also increased).

[CloudSeeder]

All of which I believe Inquorate had earlier tried to express in his post about swinging buckets of water...

[Peter Lindemann]

Concerning the Use of Working Model 2D

Everybody,

Working Model 2D is a $2,500 program. Downloading it for free from the TORRENT sites is STEALING!!! There is NO WAY to further the benefits of CIVILIZATION when these supposed benefits derive from the theft of Intellectual Property, or the theft of any other type of Property.

I also encourage EVERYBODY to BOYCOTT all torrent sites, for the same reason. If FREE ENERGY is to help make a better future, it CANNOT be developed from a foundation of THEFT. This is not the future I am interested in promoting. If we cannot build a better future based on HONESTY and INTEGRITY, then when we get there, it won't actually be BETTER then the mess we have now!

Please do not post simulations in this thread built in STOLEN COPIES of this software. If this practice persists, I will leave the thread.

Peter

[CloudSeeder]

There should be an online service somewhere we could rent time on software. I don't have any need for it myself. In another month my son is giving me his other computer that has 3-d Studio Max all loaded on it and operational. If he tutors me a little on it I might be able to start making some 3d models, but that's assuming a lot of mileage left in my brain. I've watched him a few times and am familiar with it a bit.

These Gravity Wheels will be a piece of cake compared to the stuff he was doing (my pictures).
Here's the Dual-Direction Generator we made, took us 4 hours. It was right difficult =>

[CloudSeeder]

In keeping with what Dr. Lindemann was saying it was supposed to help Mankind too, but it was just part of a device I designed that apparently was too complicated for Mankind to want, so it's all been sitting since Nov. 10 2005. It might as well be in a Pawn Shop window.

That's why these Gravity Wheels are so great => their simpleness. When we get one or several of them running they definitely should NOT be sitting anywhere.