The Mechanical Engine

[CloudSeeder]

Impossible?

@Inquorate: After watching your video a great deal more closely it looks like the board swinging past bottom dead center is hitting a negative spot, neither going forward or backward. And being in that spot is like throwing a small brake. That appears to be what is giving the top board the kick to go to swinging forward.

It is more than a simple non-swing; it's a collision of a forward swing hitting with a backward swing. For that brief moment this apparently constitutes a doubled inertia against motion in either direction that is so strong it is braking the entire device, almost the same as if you were supplying a new hand push to the top board into a renewed forward movement. It should be a negative but it isn't; it's a double negative at the same time, which is a positive to the overall device rotation.

It is as if it's starting again every time it revolves upon the 360 degree mark.

I also noticed that your swinging boards are not cut exactly the same. One has a bit extra angle cut. That could be the tiny bit of difference caused the entire effect. Try attaching a couple of quarters to the top of the board that has the angled top... and also take notice which board you are pushing it off at the start.

Make notes of which does what otherwise you're going to get lost in the forest w/out breadcrumbs... but at least you have a great video to refer to. When you give it the first push I noticed that you actually almost over push it. That must be where you're injecting #1 enough energy to spin PLUS #2 the energy that is being carried forward and expressed in the bottom board going through 6 pm center.

Over pushed, to overcome the standing non-movement of both boards. Whew. You're th' Man.

I would say that the backward-residual + the forward-residual occurring in the bottom board are canceling one another on the bottom but at the top they are adding together. The only thing I can think of that comes close to that happening in real life would be what happens in a car wreck when one car hits your car in the rear end but your car smacks the bumper of the car in front of you, so you don't get whiplash. But since the car in front of you is stopped and holding the brake on the guy in the car behind takes the brunt of the action... so the board can't move the entire device since it's anchored onto the bar, and it can't move the point where it's attached to the board because it's attached back to the hub.

Process of elimination, the only thing that can move is the end of the board with the weights. So, Inquorate, you seem to have managed to give your pendulum weights at the top board position a case of accumulated whiplash having only one outlet. If anybody added more pendulums it was dividing the whiplash energy out ... being absorbed into too much Mass.

Hat's off. I think this looks a lot like a Gravity-refreshed Sine wave.

[marxist]

there is something there.

Hi Inquorate,
just want to confirm CloudSeeder 's notion, that you have found something there. I don't know what it is, but try to not let it go.

[CloudSeeder]

It's magic. He's whipping us with a magic stick. Fairy dust sprinkled on camera lens. LOOK OUT MARXIST! He's puttin a darn spell on everybody that looks at his video. Now he's got you. Oh, the humanity.

[marxist]

looking out

... LOOK OUT MARXIST! .....

Yes, ok I'm trying to.
In the meantime you look here, please:
YouTube - zoanthropos's Channel

Please consume them slowly slowly. Frame wise in slow motion. Especially the very beginnings and the ends.
Hope we'll manage to get over the hill.

[CloudSeeder]

@Marxist: Yep, it's obvious you've been likewise taken in => YouTube - kniehebel01m4 <> but, it does look worth building. Hmm, maybe you can attach the rods to the green weights with rather stiff springs?

Your choice of wheel material will be important. Perhaps you can use some of that lightweight stuff that has holes drilled all over it, peg board. That way you need to move anything around you're In Like Flint. I bought some pieces of poplar to use for mine but I should have got peg board. I'll get some today.

It is a bit scary, taking the first step onto the Moon surface. I've lined up a camcorder to use. It's all one day at a time eh?

[CloudSeeder]

The Next Step

@All: Some of us are getting close to the next step, showing the Gravity Wheel as a real engine that will do Work. Most of our devices so far are spinning on a center hub & roller bearings. With mine I'm doing something different. I got one of these hard 5/8-inch diameter dowel rods from the hardware and my device is going to be built around it directly attached. The ends are sticking out so that is where the roller bearings will be. 5/8 dowel rods works out real well because a lot of rollers and clamps & such comes with a 5/8-inch inner diameter for a very snug fit, also very 90 degree squared.

This makes a solid spinning axle not just the wheel. On that axle I can mount an additional gear to turn a generator or lift a weight on a chain, something that will show in the camera very clearly the device is Ready and Able to do Work.

It would be nice if I could find a couple small sprockets and some plastic bike chain. I don't want to use up the energy lifting the chain. Any ideas where I might obtain such stuff is greatly appreciated. I may have to make some of this stuff out of wood. Think I'll run by a few stores today and see if I can get a woodworking set for small work, like a tiny drill press with a router attachment. Anybody have any ideas which store?

Without needing a bank loan i hope.

[CloudSeeder]

Maximum Gravity Effect on Inquorate's Wheel

@ Inquorate: One thing I left out of my lengthy analysis your newest idea here: YouTube - shifting resonance in pendulum's swing and my post => http://www.energeticforum.com/53544-post501.html ... taking another look at what it is doing, it's quite a wonderful design! What Inquorate has done is gotten the entire swinging pendulum arm to be exerting centrifugal force all the way to the bottom max 6pm.

For the arm at the top, the arm~weight combination is hanging inside the radius of the "wheel" (where it exercises the least influence), as opposed to at the bottom where it is swinging outside the radius which is then become an extension of the main middle board throwing an extra-length Leverage-force-in-Motion at the hub (and into the opposite side at the top since the hub-fulcrum can't move). Being hanging straight down as it goes past 6 o'clock the arm~weight~board combination is at the most pull of centrifugal force. It could be that the centrifugal at maximum gravity 6 o'clock is so maximized it just plain over-dominates the centripetal, holding the weight temporarily to an extremely limited swinging.

But what happened to the centripetal force, go to the top?

The opposite actions are happening at the top board.
The centripetal is being slam braked from moving
at the bottom by the centrifugal+gravity!

At the height of its ascension there's the least gravity pull of any other position it will go through, which is conversely maximizing the centripetal, but since the board with its weights are hanging by a pivot the centripetal force is being converted into and can only throw a swing into the unit. That must be it Inquorate! =>

The centripetal braked at the bottom is adding to the centripetal at the top to
push the top board, a mirrored 180 degree flip = a Force direction reversal.
It jumps the Y axis from bottom-left to top-right,
a quadrant jump of energy, a reflection.

I lack the Calculus and Electronics to write the equation but I see a falling and rising sine wave in a circular device. It looks amazingly like pictures I saw in the Grob Electronics Theory book we had at ECPI in 1987. The weighted pendulum arms are "cutting across the lines of magnetic flux". Yeah, I have seen this before. WoW! Inquorate, you've made somewhat of a vertical version of my device I called S.P.E.A.G. in my 1989 novel. Whew. SPEAG was tough. Yours is easier therefore better. SPEAG was location-crippled, only for working at the geomagnetic north pole; yours will work EVERYWHERE. Yeah man, I know exactly what you did now AND IT'S MARVELOUS. SPEAG was electrical with coil windings on its spinning cores as it passed over spaced metal cylinders sitting on end, plus it was spinning horizontal.

Your device is a vertical+mechanical version of mag-electric SPEAG.
My hat is truly off to you now for sure. You have applied
a rule of magnetism to non-magnet weights.
Star Trek Moment:

You have captured what has to be captured by these Gravity Wheels => MECHANICAL UNHAPPINESS. Your device wants to stop at the bottom with a Passion but is then pulled back up for yet another spin against its will hahahaha. SPEAG didn't do that. You've gone beyond SPEAG. You've gone all the way to plaid <> you have nailed

THE UNITY OF OPPOSITES LOCKED IN COMBAT BY A CIRCLE.
You'll see it after you rub your eyes some more.
You did a cross-platform with a twist.

....

[CloudSeeder]

Hmm. Actually, SPEAG was a better device as actual devices go but only being able to use them at one place on the entire globe was the drawback that makes Gravity Wheels of all kinds better. One thing that made SPEAG so great was that being horizontal, I had the arms shaped like airplane wings. So when it got past 200-250 miles per hour wing speed it was expected to go airborne and quite weightless, ignoring gravity and raising the weight off the bearings, achieving frictionless. That was where I expected it to pay all the bills (aka be making more electricity than it was using to power the central hub motor). This is the first time I've ever said much about it to anyone... It's real good to see it back in a different form.

@Inquorate! If you use heavier weights you should be able to shove it harder & maybe see a less jerky motion.

[Inquorate]

update

the resonant transfer of pendulum kinetic energy from 6 to 12 is dependent on having light wheel/lever and light pendulum weights. and it doesn't seem to produce enough energy gain at that weight to self sustain.

will keep you all posted

[CloudSeeder]

@Inquorate: Yes, so either the design needs work or the design could need for something extra. Perhaps a "leading weight" positioned closer in towards the hub and slightly advanced ahead of the boards. That might serve to assist "pulling" the weights into what they do.

I'm using a similar "counterweight" operating instead as a "forwardweight". It will show very obviously in the video I'm currently working on.

[john_g]

Hi All

Some great progress being made here.

The link below I found today - haven't seen it mentioned before.

In part 1/2 he explains how he thinks the Bessler wheel worked, which appears quite plausiable. If nothing else, he shows using a inverted mushroom weight operating on a seasaw that then opens up new ideas for moving weights - Well did for me anyway!

Maybe his input would be helpful?

Gravity Wheel


Regards
John

[CloudSeeder]

@john_g: Yep, it's a good thick read alright. It's becoming right clear what Mr. Bessler did. Also, it says near the end of the pgh it had TWO SMALL AXLES, so the wheel had a split axle, meaning he was using the internal radius all the way to the center, possibly through the center for a seesaw effect.

Page 1, last pgh: Weights strike at right angles to the axis. So they hit at 3 o'clock.

Page 2: Somehow Jan Rutkowski makes a leap from falling weights to they have to be balls, but we know from several on this thread it was likely hammer shapes leaning over past 12 o'clock and smacking solid at 3 o'clock. It could be that the ball system would work, I don't know because Pg 2 leaves me in the dust.

But I seriously doubt falling balls would achieve a hard speed of 26-50 revolutions per minute and lift a man off the ground when he grabs the wheel to bring it to a stop. Eight maul-sized 8-lb. hammers would because of every 8 hammers you'd have 3 striking the down side one at a time in a constant succession and the 4th one entering the fall as the bottom one was exiting for the ride up.

Jan said the wheel itself was very light, so the hammers would basically be turning their own weight. Looks like somebody ought to be able to take it from there. How hard can hammers be? They lean, they fall.

[CloudSeeder]

If the 8 hammers were just 4 pounds apiece, 8 x 4 = 32, so 32 pounds of hammers spinning at such a fast speed I'd be surprised if it wouldn't jerk Haystack Calhoun off his feet. It took a brave man sure of his arm and grip strength to attempt stopping it. It would be like jumping a steer in a rodeo. And ya better be wearing some good gloves.

[CloudSeeder]

@john_g: Yeah, I'm sure you understood page 2 and I imagine Peter does also. It looks like Greek to me. And the balls might work plenty good too if you want to build one. It looks like fun.

[john_g]

@john_g: Yeah, I'm sure you understood page 2 and I imagine Peter does also. It looks like Greek to me. And the balls might work plenty good too if you want to build one. It looks like fun.

CloudSeeder

I get it up to a point, but couldn't get the timing of the counterbalance to work, seemed it needed to move more often to keep the cycle going. That was last night., I will look again today. Some of the translation is unclearly written which dosn't help.

However I can see that by using the counter balance the problem of shifting weights upwards is no longer a problem , and addition energy is being putinto the system - Know what I'll be starting today.