The Mechanical Engine

[CloudSeeder]

Peter, that sounds like a good process to do but it assumes I used some mathematical progression algorithm for placing the balls where they are. I didn't. I sighted them. Doing what you suggest would be an indictment against my eyesight and guessing.

However, I'll try it on my other designs. Thanks very much. Good trick.

Like you, this isn't my preference either. I'm working on them.

[Peter Lindemann]

No Math, No Criticism

Peter, that sounds like a good process to do but it assumes I used some mathematical progression algorithm for placing the balls where they are. I didn't. I sighted them. Doing what you suggest would be an indictment against my eyesight and guessing.

However, I'll try it on my other designs. Thanks very much. Good trick.

Like you, this isn't my preference either. I'm working on them.

Cloudseeder,

My method uses no math or complex algorithm. It is a DRAWING TECHNIQUE. I SIGHT THEM, TOO!!! The frame structure is fixed in the example we are discussing. In any given position, the balls naturally "fall where they fall". This can be seen in any of the drawings.

All I am saying is that when you apply the technique, a new set of information emerges about the "aggregate effect" of gravity on the whole system. The result of this process is always surprising, but it provides a "cheap lab test" for any design.

At this point, I only consider designs that get past this basic analysis.

Try it, you'll like it!

Peter

[CloudSeeder]

hahaha Yep

That's funny Peter. I like it. So many times we seem to think alike. My personal and honest opinion of the changes I put in Post #526 is that the hub needs to be much larger diameter. I wasn't doing very well yesterday so since I'm ALREADY DRAWING CHALLENGED I stayed with the small diameter hub.

Technically the balls coming in toward the hub on the left ascending side should be meeting the hub resting position sooner and coming over the top higher... which would be giving the balls a more significant throw down the right side at the smack plates. According to your "test" you explained I believe the resulting oval would be a good deal higher.

So I wouldn't take the time of day to do it until the hub diameter was increased, which of course once again PUTS ME IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH YOU. The drawing needs salt.

[CloudSeeder]

@Peter: I apologize to you if my earlier post sounded like a criticism!

The wheel that I'm working on now uses three different size weights... so I reckon the test won't be too helpful. I have to build it with a big helping of faith. If perchance it fails, as is always the possibility, that would be okay. I have other good designs to move on to.

One thing I like about it though is that I'm making it where the weights are adjustable and the distance each is from the center is also adjustable. So once I build it using some threaded arms I can alter the 6 variables til I find where it works. It isn't all that different from tuning the timing on a car.

I expect to succeed. The day I can't set the timing on a car is the day I should consider moving to an Old Age Home.
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[john_g]

Hi All

Following up to my post about Jan Rutkowskion on the 6 May. He has responded to an email I sent him asking if he had a running wheel and also if he would drop in here. He has sent the links below.
Some very intresting ideas on the last site although in Polish - More knowledge by the day. It also appears that someone has built a wheel 10 years ago that was self running but couldn't drive a load - it was 2 ft in diameter.

ASTRO
Johann Bessler - Orffyreus
google-video search for: technologia-grawitacji
bessler paradox

Regards
John

Videos are great

[vzon17]

magnet gravity motor

Here is my favorite gravity motor that is magneticlly assisted. Second animation on the page is my favorite looking one.

Gravity Magnet Motor Animation (Updated: 9.6.08) | Energy | My Blog

[CloudSeeder]

vzon17 Animations Good but a little tweaking should help utilize Gravity better

@vzon17: Good work! Uhm, not wanting to be overly critical but those animations both suffer from being out of sync. Look very closely at the point where the magnets beginning to jump off the hub toward the outer magnets. You will see they are jumping a full 7 or something degrees before they can possibly be attracted upward.

Since magnets are usually right heavy that system would benefit GREATLY from Gravity if it got away from the vertical shift to perhaps a clockwise rotation of the outer magnets perhaps by 120 degrees.

I realize those wheel animations aren't likely meant to be to Scale because the distance out to the magnetized rim is very far. Magnetism weakens with distance. Using a hub starting position doesn't quite take the prize. There needs to be a second rim much farther out, closer to the outer rim.

That is why when the animations were created the animator felt a need to start the magnets moving early... they needed help, a bump, and he/you? knew that. The magnets looks like to me need to be starting off from a second rim, closer to the outer rim, and the outer rim needs to be turned about 120 degrees CW.

I made the same mistake with my drawings in Post #526, hub start was wrong, too close in.
Making the above changes should make possible a much increased speed of rotation.
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[CloudSeeder]

the Necessity of Sufficient Centrifugal Force

@vzon17: Like 526 your wheel also needs salt. When the weights are close to the hub there's virtually no centrifugal force. Once you make a second level rim I believe you'll find the system works like a charm. It will just be a matter of accelerating the wheel spin til it reaches a point of magnetic-centrifugal equilibrium.

1. This should remove some of the load off of needing strong magnets.

2. The wheel may need to be accelerated to a few thousand rpm's.

3. at which point should achieve a tremendous flywheel momentum.

But at low speeds yes, it would appear to be a failure. However, as it goes from start to that higher speed I think you would need to have the magnets set so they would exert a less wider than 180 degree magnetism down toward several opposed and narrower points. At high speeds the excess range of magnetism would work against the engine. You need variable magnetism that narrows but gets stronger & more concentrated.

I think with some tweaking there you have an awesome powerhouse. It doesn't need gravity <> it needs a ufo built around it.
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[CloudSeeder]

Or something like that. Perhaps my enthusiasm has exceeded light speed...

[CloudSeeder]

Anti-Centrifugal Engine Morphs into the Time Machine!

Seems like to me that at some speed the outer magnets would both need to be the same plus also exerting a repulsion against the centrifugal force pressing the weight to the outer spokes. But if they were the same strength you'd be losing the oscillation...

At some speed the outer magnets would need to be pulled a distance from the inner wheel's weights? At whatever speed that was needed, I imagine the 2nd Stage Anti-Centrifugal Engine would morph into the Time Machine and disappear from Rod Taylor's room... so we'd need to strap somebody on it.

It's a job for Superman or a very good computer simulation program.
Maybe Richard Branscom would like to be the first to go Back in Time.
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[CloudSeeder]

Storaged power would be shut off &amp; it would go plaid supplying its own electricity:

@vzon17: Following up on the previous posts... WHAT DO YOU DO FOR ELECTRICITY to power electromagnets? It would start out likely on batteries or series-discharged capacitors. A dual direction generator would be mounted on the hub axle (the spinning shaft). I just happen to have a tentative design for one laying around. The fins on the shaft would not be needed. They were to be used on my Millenial Dawn Power & Light {mc2=E < E=mc2} Universe Power Anywhere engine that has yet to be built.




However, you would not want the generator switch turned on in the early rpm's as that would cause a hysteresis drag on the engine. When the wheel gets to cranking really faster the generator -spinning the rotator one direction and the armature in the other direction- would not be much of a drag at all... because of the leverage exerted from the outer rotating weights more than covering generator drag because of #1 overwhelming speed and #2 flywheel momentum.

SkyWatcher reminded me of the value of inserting a dummy gear in betwixt the generator parts which would provide the opposite axle shaft direction to the outer generator housing. These dual (opposite) generating directions would be cranking out more amperage than normal at a weight savings.

The storaged power would be phased to a stop, shut off and drop into plaid supplying its own electricity... at which point one of two things could happen. You might be seeing enough extra power to run a city block or it might melt down. I believe it would be good to have a zoom videotape running, from a distance behind a wall. Flying parts might would be high velocity shrapnel.

Done deal.
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[vzon17]

Hi Guys,

There is a simple and relatively accurate way to determine if this type of design works. In my original article, I mentioned this technique, but did not describe it. So, here it is.

In any of these drawings, where you have eight weights showing in the various sections, the simplest way to determine the Center of Mass, and therefore the predominant center of gravity action, is to do the following to the drawing.

Draw a dot in the center of each weight. If we assume they all have the same weight and mass, then the analysis of their positions is all that is required to understand gravity's action on the wheel.

Next, draw a line between the dots of OPPOSITE weights. This produces four lines across the drawing. Next, find the center position between the weights for each line, and draw a new dot there. These dots represent the "center of mass" between the two weights connected by that line. This produces four new dots on the drawing.

Next, progress the drawing, by rotating the frame by 15 degrees, and re-setting the position of the weights where they would be for that position, and then repeat the "Center of Mass" measurement. This will generate four more dots. Repeat one more time with the drawing progressed by another 15 degrees and you get four more dots.

When these 12 "Center of Mass" dots are superimposed on each other, what emerges is an OVAL SHAPED area that is centered directly UNDER the AXIS. If this is the result, then it is safe to assume that the action of the weights is BALANCED and that there is no opportunity for gravity to drive the wheel.

I found this method always gave the right answer, and it saved me from building a whole lot of designs that looked good at first, but in the end, would not work.

This method is what finally convinced me that "weight shifting" designs, as a class, can't be where the solution is.

Peter

Actually there is a guy that figured it out and has a working machine tha uses gravity and shifting weights to power it. here is his video.
YouTube - free energy gravity wheel

[CloudSeeder]

OKay. So where is it vzon17?

It's only been two years since he had it running and on video. I wonder why no one has it yet?
Do you have any more recent information or possibly better videos?
The one you gave is poor quality and made from a distance.

[vzon17]

It's only been two years since he had it running and on video. I wonder why no one has it yet?
Do you have any more recent information or possibly better videos?
The one you gave is poor quality and made from a distance.

I have no new stuff I do have his website and I sent an email today to see if he has an update. I first saw it a year ago and only now went back to check on it to post the video here. Its the only video I have seen. there was one company selling plans for a very similar machine. evidently it has two sliding weights and uses compressed air to lift the weight at the bottom of the cycle towards the middle where it rides until the top where it is allowed to slide out to the outside. He had said his first models destryed themselves because the weight get thrown out with considerable force to the outside. so it collects not only gravity but centrifugal force I imagine. which would make nesse because why not. many bessler wealls wrok with grovty but when you spin them too fast the mecahnism get screwed up by the centrifugal force. so I think this one uses the centrifugal force to move the weights in part. the weight is held in position near the middle with a latch that is released at the proper time and the centrifugal force moves the weigh to the outside. requires real good cushion to absorb the slam of the weigh. I think he capturs some of the slam and uses the energy to lift the weight up to the bottom of the cycle.

Here is the inventors website
New source of energy is an engine that runs on gravity,Alternative Energy,free energy,gravity,electricity

[CloudSeeder]

He mounted an air compressor on the shaft just like my post above suggested:

Well, that makes perfect sense to me. He mounted an air compressor on the shaft just like my post above suggested placing the dual generator there. Where his leaves off mine begins because an air compressor isn't going to take long to overheat and seize up to a stop. An air compressor has a lower "ceiling" than a generator.

He had the right idea, just the wrong "fluid". Air speed can't reach 186,000 miles per second.

I would imagine he went into seclusion, or a major depression.
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