Newman Motor

[Joit]

That Newman motor can become a Baby.

It seems shark is pretty close on it. Seems just he used to thick wire.
When he says, the Motor still got good Torque, why dont he try to put a small generator on it? I think i will once, when i did redo it complete.
Right now i only have a handbig Box, where 4 quadratic Magnets run inside with 90 ft and #28 wire.
But my scope complains about Spikes at 200V
I hock up my scope now and got from + of the Coil brighter Spikes, so i think,
it s better, to put the charge there.

I made it simple, i dont think, you need a diode for the Minus, even when there are Spikes in both directions at the Scope, positive and negative.
And the Diode at the Batt maybe prefend, to keep it loaded.
Just not sure, if the Runbatt like it over Time.
For the Charge i put 4 Diodes in parallel because it gives me best results at my bedini right now, but can be less or more.

Second Circuit i made would be a Test,
Mind, if you take 3 Diodes and a ~2000µF/200V cap or more µF,
connect 2 Diodes from the Minus side of coil to the cap, and go with one diode from cap out to Plus.
Then speed it up, and put a lead from the source away.
I did do that, and anyhow it did slow the highest speed down,
but as i disconnected the Source, it did looks like, as if it speed some and want run further for a while.
But can even be, that just the Cap did decharge.
I only have to less Wire on it right now, that i can measure good Results for that.
And if you dont have the Things by the Hand, its ok too.

[Joit]

Hi,
Well, i guess, with the Cap dont comes much out.
[But seems the Point is a different from the good Spots before and after N.
One Point from this 90° takes pretty fast Current from the Batterie,
the other, ie -90° or 270° keep the Batterieload pretty stable, depends how your Coil is wounded.
That was the Point i was yesterday.
Then i connected two Diode parallel from Plus, put the Chargebatt there, and connected it to the End of the Coil, not Minus directly.
At my Scope, i still got Spikes between the Coil and Plus, but not Coil and Minus.
And it did loo like, decharge from Runbatt still did go slower.
I think, your Friend or you are close to this Point, maybe just adjust it some better.
But then you dont need to put something to the Runbatt, because it seems, it get charged, and when a Diode is there, it wont.
This Guy at the Video seems get his Battt charged, and seems he did do it pretty well, because he could awake the Batterie with few turns of the Shaft.
When it dont works now, either, you dont have the right Firepoint at the Commutator, or something is wrong with the Wire.
I do redo my Coil too, add about 150ft awg #30 Wire, but seems didnt change a lot.

I Still wonder about, why he add a second Coil at the PDf and at the Vid.
Just to take the Load from it, or because its needed, even when it looks like its shorted.
Reminds me at my Chargebatt between Plus and End Coil, that i did put kind of a Resistor there.
The Motor did run other anyhow, and it did add more charge to the Batt.
So, maybe a second Coil around the other Coil is needed, even when its shorted, but inductive, like it is at the Pdf.

[uusedman]

Did you start any experimenting with the schematic you show me?

Why do you have diodes in parallel, I think it is better to put in series because we need to try to restrict HV spikes, I made something similar to what you did but in series Diodes. I will make video of to show some progress.

[Joit]

I did set it up with the Cap once, yes.
But i thought, my Coils are to less, to got good enough Result.
I will hold it as second Option.
I tried this with the Diodes on my Bedini, and in Series, it did charge higher Voltage, but lesser Amps. In Parallel it drops more Amps at the Charge.
I think, thats still something to figure out, what works better.
Guess, i need to get a faster Diode, or a Transistor, what has it allready in. (->-->)

At the Newman thing, i tried it a short time with 2 Diodes, and well,
i can say ' it did load something', just my run batt was pretty at the End, so i didnt let it run that long,
and i figured out, i need to get the Coils working like in the Vid.
Still not sure, if it is better, to connect the Charge to the End of Coil, and lead it back with Minus charge -> Plus Source.
The Bedini works like this way, that the Electrons from Minus side can go back into the Circuit.

But now i play again with the Coils.
I think it should work only with them.
I made them larger at Lenght, what was even more worse, now i centered them more near the Shaft.
I wound them only to one Side, and did go back to left side with an 45° Angel.
That way, i have lesser drag inside the Coil. Now i need to test this.

Before is had it only at one Side from the Shaft, but it wasnt that good, too,
Maybe, because i had a N-S,S-N Cube core, what had 2 N poles at each Side.

I think its general better, when you have the Shaft at the middle from the Coil.
When you short the Coil, and you turn the Magnet, you can see at the Resistance from Shaft, how much Current it generates.
And i got more Resistance with 2 Coils, one left one right as only with the Coil at right Side.
At last, i maybe try to build the Coils like the Flowerpot from this guy, maybe this Cone Shape isnt that worse.

And i still think on the Picture from a turning Wheel, figure, when you hold a turning Wheel at the hand, there is still a lot Force at the Shaft, when you try to move it sidewards.
Maybe that is, where the Amp come from.

Here are some Pics, i made it from a simple Plasticbox, Bearings are Washer and 2 Pice of a Pencilshaft, did spray some WD40 on it, an it turns smooth.
The Magnets are 4 Cubes, what i taped, because i pressed them together, that both N's facing to one Side.
The Shaft is a brass Antenna, maybe i should get a Iron one. The Commutator is a little Cubemagnet at the black Bubble with a reedswitch, what i can turn around the Shaft, to find a good Position.




And, well, i think, right now is the Joule Thief a good Option too, for charging Batteries.
It has a high working frequency, and should work even better then a Bedini,
and is way lesser Effort.
The Frequency is that, how often a Spike comes in, it is the Point where the N field repeat itself.

[uusedman]

I am recycling some kind of energy from the newman. with 4 diodes (1n4001) in parallel on the Plus side to a HV 500 ceramic cap, however, the capacitor is only charging to 20 volts. Furthermore, my neon bulb is lighting up from the collapsed magnetic field, that means, we are only recycling the BEMF and the collapsed field is dissipating.

Tonight I will make video.

[Joit]

Either the spikes are to fast, or may you try the Diodes in Serie.
What Source do you use to loading the Cap?

I think, there is still a relation between the input power and the power of the Spikes.
So Hvoltage will give a average amount of load.
And Caps are anyway not to best, to keep charge, Batts are better for it, someone mentioned, the electrons flow slower there.
I got now with my setup spikes max 1300V down to 20v with a 12V/7,5Ah source, avg 60~400V.
With a 9v Block i get about 60V spikes.
last Cap i did charge, did load up to 9V with the 12V Source.
But its 2 63V/2200 in parallel. Can be, that it cant keep the charge because hes low, and the Current hits through.
Right now you dont need to make another Vid, i think, to much effort right now.
I going to add more Wire and rewind my thing.
Chuck2na mentioned at the Comments from PT5 or PT6, when you do the Iron out, it will give higher Spikes. Guess it was at the new machine.
I think he do talk about the Shaft.

[uusedman]

I just bought a oscillscope and will make a video. Maybe you can help me understand how i can use my scope to better tune the Newman motor.

Are you suggesting that I should use iron as my shaft? i think i am using a zinc plated steel shaft.

[Joit]

Uh, i hope you got a cheap scope. to buy one is still some Money.
No, i dont suggest to put it out.
At his Vid he said at the Comments
Page3 to take the Iron out. But he still use a screwdriver there for the shaft.
Further he says, the 2nd Coil is the Key, and the second should have the same Wire as the first.
Try to put a coils beside, just stand it there and connected to nothing, and you see, the motor will act on it.
One Point is, to get Current from Inductance from the second Coil.
But this Thing shows you, whos your Daddy is.

I dont know, if you are familar with Inductance, but thats why they use that huge Wire.
All the Power from the inductance can be used and forced into the Direction from the Motor.

I do play with some Coils too, what i put beside, but it looks like,
this Firepoint at 90° still changes to more or less Degree per Turn.
When i hold my Switch beside, i can control it better by moving forth and back.
Thats probatly why Newman used this crazy Commutator.
Here is a good Pic from it, related to This Page.
There are still more Pics about the Commutator, take a look at it.
I wired my Coils now standard forth and back, standard even, that it act like yours.
But i still think, the way is, that you load the Runbatt too, otherwise, it will maybe drag a lot Power out of it.
It are like kinda repeating Cyles, where it takes and push back.

Right now i play with a dead Batterie, but it get a load, run the Motor for a While, and then get dead again, then come back after a while with good torque and same again. Seems as if it charge with delay.
But i get anyway all time other Results, depends how my Coils are made.
Still need to play a lot around with it.
Maybe i try to wrap a open thin wire Coil around it and try it again.

For your Scope, you got 2 Connections, Minus and Plus.
You attach Minus mostly to Minus, when you only wanna measure the Coil then attach + and - between the end of the Coils.
You can set the Voltage range on it, there is a Button Probe, where you set usual 1:1.
And then you should be able to see the Spikes.
Mine can handle about 200V, maybe the spikes even higher, but i didnt try.
I still measure at this Range, i keep the sourcebatt lower, i think, then i am save.

[Joit]

Its Page2, (wont let me Edit anymore)

[uusedman]

I need to make my second part of the Motor, the 2nd inductor of the newman. Hopefully, I can get started on it today. those pictures of the commutator i seen them before, however, i dont understand about shorting the coil, should that energy be stored or just shorted to get the spikes. i been hacking at this motor for months, I think it is time I make a commutator like Newman should.

[Joit]

I only wonder, why it worked for Chuck, he used this simple commutator.
I made now equal Coils, each side 40 rounds, 20 each layer.
Yesterday i had one side bit bigger, and seems worked better, or my new switch is crap. Now i wrap some thin wire around it.
I ll hook up the scope and load some Caps to see.
But i guess Caps cant hold the spike very well, that why they dont charge that well.

But sometimes i think, the informations at some Pages are anyhow incorrect.
When i connect plus to outside start of the Coil it works better,
against, what the pic shows, that minus is inside.

[Joit]

Or maybe you can try to wrap speaker wire around it, would be a fast try.

[Joit]

Mmm, got another Idea yesterday.
You have 2 motors. Hows about you put the small one at the big one on top, and let the end open, that the small ton is over the big one, and maybe otherwise, for trying,

[Joit]

For me it does look like the Magnetfield from the Coil is kinda wandering.
With shorting the Coils i guess, he reset them.
And maybe you want make kind of a Wheel for the commutator.
I think, to find the right Point at the small shaft is harder as at a big Circle.

[byjoveoldchap]

Hello Everyone,

My introduction into free energy was with the Newman Motor. My motor consisted of about 9 miles of 30 guage wire of each stator. I have ran some experiments and now I am hoping to move to the Bedini motor.

However, before I move on, I want to make one last experiment and dont know how to put it together, but the idea how to do it is present.

How can I collect the BEMF from the Newman Motor? Any diagram or picture help will be greatly appreciated.

UusedMan

Ray-O-energy covered this, I think this video will help.YouTube - newman motor + Peter Lindemann circuit