Newman Motor

[uusedman]

Can you please make a diagram, i understand however need to make sure i understand what is described.

I been caught up with the leedskalnin, thinking, need to divert some attention back to newman.

Little Update.

I did put 5 Diodes in Serie from Minus to Plus, what seems give the Runbatt charge.
I made a Coil with 10/7 Windings back, that its actually 3/4 counterwinding from the first Layer.
Its one Coil one Side of the Shaft, winding Direction away from Shaft is Counterclockwise, turning Direction of the Motor CCW too, but still on Test.

Its connected now like
'-' to Commutator, -> Shaft -> Coil start outside -> Coil start inside to Plus.

The funny thing, i did connect couple AA Batts and some more 7,5 Gel only with the Minus to Minus from my Run, and seems, that charge them slow up too.
Runbatt is charging slowly, and sometimes it stops, but its back with more Power after a While, and i started with it no Power in it.
Seems its better, you use for Run a good conditioned Batt, what can be faster loaded.
And i still have a Load beside, even when its only a Ferritcore close.

Edit And looks like a Inductive Coil is a good Way to catch the Spikes, i did get 2 Spikes per Round at a Led.

[Joit]

I will do a Schematic in a bit,
but its actually only 5 Diodes in Serie from Minus to Plus from Run-batterie, and another Minus from another Batterie to Minus, what i load up.

I do rewind it again and again, to see, if i can get Power out.
But right now, i think, i should trow it too for a while, takes long Time allways, to work at it, and to test it.
And anyhow, its not the big Power, what it spits out for now, and a Bedini is anyhow easier to set up, and works same or better efficient.

[Joit]

Another Video from a Replication.
YouTube - Newman Motor - Measuring AC & DC Current 3 of 3 Great Final Test!


And Ups, sorry about, to do the Schematic from above.

[ABCStore]

@Joit
Nice video! But please, measure current with analog meters and voltage with digital...

ABC

[patmac]

@ABCStore & Joit

I've built today a mini Newman, poor copper, but is true amp lower when you put more copper and the mechanical torque remain. I was investigating about this and Bearden theories apply here; cooper relaxation time is about 1 ns per foot of copper wire so with > 1 Mile length maybe is possible use this motor like collector (negistor) but switching is tricky because high turns coils = high capacitance. I would like to buy and try it with 1 kg of copper wire and study the results.

[Joit]

@ABCStore, it is not my Video, i did only put the Link in.

But hows about you do rebuild it by yourself, and do your own Measurements,
and even not That, Build it, Compare without Measurements, wind it new few Times, till it fits, and fiddle with the Commutator
before you try to give smart Comments.
That is what i did, and i give a damn on Measurements actually.
I look for, what i can SEE, Not what i can maybe measure or not.

[Joit]

Patmac,
one of my last thinking was, that it should work with lower Wire too,
that you get actually a Ratio from 1:5 or more.
Newman used 5mm Wire with 4Miles?
But he did drive it with 200V or more from Block Batteries, so actually,
it 'should' work too, with an input of 18-27Volts.
Once, what i did play around, i used about 100m of AWG26, and 12-18Volts.
That did give me a nice EM Field and good Spikes.
Thinner Wires got indeed a high Resistance, but he says, you breake through it with higher Voltage.

This Guy at the Video use a Capacitor, what Newman not did, and seems he is charging his Batterie over a Bridgerectifier.
Newman did nothing from this, his Batteries charge by his own.

And even the Vid from Chuck2na earlier here use lesser Wire.
And finding the right spot at the Comutator is still a Art too.


Edit, Well, at last, it worked for me once, that it keeps running with close emtpy Batteries, but it did not stop anymore, till i did take it apart.
One importend thing at the Motor is, you need to Put a Load at the Shaft, he did do that by pumping Water.
I did put a Shear over the Shaft, or something like a bigger Fan.

[patmac]

@Joit

I'll get better my model then, taking measurements on my motor hmm, yes is good in lower scale, you're ok flywheel is really necessary this is conversion torque; Hydramatics in cars work in that fashion there is a round tank flywheel and stores oil this oil out and in depending of acceleration this avoid brinky driving when shift occurs. If we look the newman giant you alright, switching was perfectly synchronized with the pump because that pump appearently is piston based need high torque on half turn in his pulley, then motor in my concept is switched on when pump is in dead point when motor is off inertia stored in the flywheel makes that wonderfull work.

Maybe is necessary make a good chassis to support a good fly wheel. Some months ago I was studyng theories about gravity and I think that has two components, gravity push to the earth but gravity is stores inertia on the mass this inertia is stored when you move the object, that was like a light that came to my mind because Bearden explains f=ma but is a unseparable thing so f=(ma). I just said wow, I'm understanding all of this. And this theory is correcto for Bill Muller generator too, but Muller applied a good magnet & coil distribution that eliminate the strong atraction and reduncing the attraction to only one magnet.

[eternalightwithin]

How would one go about getting miles of wire? Especially, 5 gauge!!

The only lengths I could find (at mcmasters) that were 2+miles were from 26-36 gauge.

I have more questions but I'll write them tonight.

David

[Joit]

David what i have seen he did tie more Wires together, they dont been one Pice.
But its indeed a lot of Wires, no clue, where he did pick them up and a Note says, the EM Field,
what did one of this Motors build, was to see around a Block.
But it isnt that big with lesser Wire, even, there is one, i got problems with my anyway weak Tvsignal, when i did run the Motor.
But the Motor is anyway more interesting as TV.


Patmac, actually, i did put the Load on it, to slow the shaft down with the Shear,
it was not like a Flywheel. That did cause, that it keeps the Batteries loaded.
The load itself had to be in a certain Ratio too, it could not be to heavy, or it was over a Limit,
and well, andhow, it had allways a small swinging in it.
That is something, what i cant really explain too.
But its right, that a Flywheel can store the Energy and has inertia, maybe it will help for that case.

[tjnlsn255]

I use quality braided speaker wire 16 guage in 250 foot segments....

Each 16 guage wire has many smaller guage wires twisted together to make 8 ohm 16 guage wire......

It seams to work very well for me.....

I use 100 feet of 22 guage speaker wire wrapped first (closest to the magnets) as a trigger and I use the Bedini circuit and it works very well....

I have no mechanical timing stuff at all on the trigger side......

I may use some mechanical timing for the cap pulse output later.....

I will post a couple pictures this weekend.....

Be happy and have fun....

Tj

[eternalightwithin]

So other questions, ponderings, and musings

1. Errr, I forget at the moment... Damn it, was there on the train coming home from work! Oh, I remember now... I don't see anywhere where he states his core/armature ratio. And therefore doesn't seem to say what is best? My take on that is that you would want to
a) Maybe core big enough inside to fit armature so that it doesn't smack into the core (obviously) and that the magnetic fields maximal coupling with out overlap.
b) Why does he use 5 gauge on core but 24 gauge on the armature?

2. So trying to "Master" his teachings
If you have wire 0.1mm diameter and 1 meter circumference by 10cm high "doughnut". It would take you 1000 wraps for 1 layer 1cm high.
Say you do 100 layers... that's 100,000 CTs
High resistance. but you can up voltage... The problem I see is that you have to multiply your volts and this isn't very efficient as you transform current to voltage. So the efficiency of the whole system goes down. Also, at the other end, the BEMF is so powerful as to vaporize everything.... How could you collect?

Say you have 1mm wire with above doughnut. You can make 1 layer per 10cm high. But if space and weight are factors (when are they not ) you will get much less turns here.

So 0.1mm times 100 layers is 10mm thick. If done with 1mm wire you will only get 10 layers out of that for a combined CT of 100 ! Wow, a factor of 1000.
Resistance low. BEMF on other end? Depends on voltage. Even if you slam more voltage through this thicker wire without more current, less CTs mean low magnetic field.

So why does he use 5 gauge wire when you can get same mass of copper around a doughnut for the same weight and size and have many CT more for astronomically low current.

So why not gauge 36 wire and just up the voltage to compensate for high resistance?

David

P.S. Thinking about a way to electronically time the motors "Firing" and "Gap" segments... (basically ON and OFF of current from battery) and do mechanical tesla switch for the shortout segment to use BEMF.

Sorry for the math. I'm actually not good at math but surprised myself by doing it in my head. Hehe, gotta love factor 10. So yeah if math confusing just skip.

[Joit]

Hi,
actually, he did build up more Motors, the gauge 5 was only one Example,
but he did build it with different Wires.
Not sure, wich Math he did use, to calculate the Coils all time.
Here is his Page,
where you can find different Videos and further Informations, when you grab some deeper in there.
I remeber something, that his African Patent has more Information as the others, but that is anyway this one, what you can find mostly.
At the first Posts from here are some further Links, even a complete Picturepack from his Commutator.

Not sure, how you will wind this donut, in case, like a normal Coil,
well, i got Spikes over 1000Volt with 12V Source and ~#26 Wires.
But anyhow, it has some weird effects, when it has a lot of Wire, what is actually against that, what you see from normal, low wired wounded DC Motors, what we usual have.

[uusedman]

Hello Joit,

I had a hard time explaining the spikes because the digital meters will not pick them up. In order to show the 1000+ volts spikes, remove the battery sources pack and close and open the circuit while turning the rotor. It will spark like it is 4th of July. The digital meter will show 20-30 volts, but, the logical meter located above my shoulders, that it is 1000+ volts spikes. A 30 gauge wire cannot make big sparks at 30 volts.

The question is how to recapture the spikes?

Like other FE or OU motors, newman is easy to understand, however, there is a little more to these motors.

[Joit]

Hi uusedman,
My Meter seems to show it, i have 2 Positions there, DC And DC HV, and even the other cheap one does it.

What gets more is, why does it work by him close almost, that he keep the Batteries loaded. I have to fiddle a lot around for that.

Catching the Spikes proper is allways a small Problem too, because it seems like, they are allways opposite to that charge, what you do need at this Motor.