Qustion about self charging batteries

[Sephiroth]

There have been reports of batteries continuing to charge after taken off a bedini type charger...

I was wondering how this was observed? I mean, did the voltage simply continue to increase over time, or was it confirmed with load tests?

I guess I am aiming this towards Aaron, Peter, Lee, John (if he is available) or anyone who has first hand experience with this effect.

Cheers

[peper10]

Just my taughts!!!

Maybe it's just the RESONNATING effect that go on for a periode of time.
As John said in a vid, (the desulfation procces is cause by the hi voltage
hitting the plates inside the battery).
I'm not an expert in this domain,but,i think that the hi voltage spikes cause
the plates to continued the (resonnating effect) after disconecting the
setup.
As often refer,the goal is to PROVOKE the aether to dilate an let it contract
bi itself..
Don't forget that they said that aether is a sea of energy!!!
When you throw a rock in water it dilate and then it contract on it's own.
That is just my OBSERVATION ,for what it's worth.

BTW:verry happy you brought this thead Seph!!!


Alain D

[Aaron]

self charging

Hi Seph,

I only got the effect when dumping about 2-4 volts above the battery from a cap bank that was made of about 6 caps..each 60v/33000uf and all wired in parallel to boost the capacitance.

After dumping that to the battery(s) for about an hour, I'd disconnect and the voltage would continue to rise for up to an hour. I could see the voltage increase on the voltmeter.

It did power a load with that extra charge. It would light lights but it even powered a regular dc motor and supposedly this charge isn't good for inductive loads but it did. My little scooter ran on it and I drove it down to John's shop about a hundred yards down the street from where I was working.

I was using a 2000 turn trifilar and the recovery in the caps was triggered by a pulley attached to the shaft of a bicycle wheel.

Bearden says it is the lead ion inertia that is continuing to move in charging mode. Could be I suppose but I think there is some kind of aetheric entrainment going on.

[Inquorate]

Fluffy voltage etc

I talked about this in dmonarch's radiant matter thread. Just a theory :-)

[theremart]

Re thinking the Bedini tests...

There were reports of this on the old SSG group of yahoo. I was wondering if the circuit itself was damaged, and putting a draw on the battery of the charging side, thus when you remove it from the circuit the battery voltage would rise.


I have thinking thru the experiments Bedini did in his lab on his batteries

I.E.

20  Bedini

1. The batteries were of very small capacity 12V 450 milliamps gel cell.

2. The time to discharge was very short. Consider... the time between tests....

Test start..


Test 1
10:45 AM 12.5V 10V 10V 10V ( just discharged I wonder for how long as if they just came off discharge they may of had bounce back effect...)

Test ends at 11:20 target batteries at 14V.

*** Note the batteries are discharged from 14V to 10V in 5 min. I find this to be a VERY short amount of time to discharge a battery. It makes me wonder if the first discharge was done in 5 minutes as well? Also voltage is not an indicator of how much energy is in the battery, but rather a load test.

I am re thinking the value of this test. since the batteries are so small, and the discharge time was so short.

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BATTERY TEST FOR THE BEDINI MOTOR GENERATOR

DATE : OCTOBER 13, 2000

BATTERY TEST SEQUENCE:

One lead acid gel-cell (12 volts, 450 milliamps) is being utilized as the primary source fully charged at 12.5 volts

Three (3) lead acid gel-cell batteries (12 volt, 450 milliamps) strapped in parallel are being used as the charge destination. The batteries are discharged to 10 volts for the test purposes.

Test #1 starts at 10:45 AM utilizing primary battery fully charged at 12.5 volts charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 11:20 AM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #2.

Test #2 starts at 11:25 AM utilizing primary battery measured at 11.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 12:50 PM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #3.

Test #3 starts at 1:00 PM utilizing primary battery measured at 10.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 1:40 PM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #4.

Test #4 starts at 2:05 PM utilizing primary battery measured at 9.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 13 volts at 2:40 PM. The primary battery is now discharged to 9 volts under working load and unable to further run the

TOTAL BATTERIES CHARGED:

12 lead acid gel-cell batteries (12 volts, 450 milliamps each). This ratio is a 12 to 1 charging factor. The motor operation (work) being performed as this was done is not included as an additional factor in this test.

[Aaron]

self charging batteries

Hi Mart,

The battery went above and beyond what it was before charging started.

It was also charged on a trifilar where the recovery winding was 100% isolated from the power and trigger winding so it definitely isn't a problem with the circuit.

The effect is real, it works, and is easily duplicatable. I used a mechanical switch as well...no solid state discharging. Needs big capacitance and low voltage dumps to make it happen. It does it every time.

[Inquorate]

AA batteries

When I was a kid, I found that carrying a flat AA battery in my pocket all day at school made it work again for a while.

[Hoppy]

There were reports of this on the old SSG group of yahoo. I was wondering if the circuit itself was damaged, and putting a draw on the battery of the charging side, thus when you remove it from the circuit the battery voltage would rise.


I have thinking thru the experiments Bedini did in his lab on his batteries

I.E.

20* Bedini

1. The batteries were of very small capacity 12V 450 milliamps gel cell.

2. The time to discharge was very short. Consider... the time between tests....

Test start..


Test 1
10:45 AM 12.5V 10V 10V 10V ( just discharged I wonder for how long as if they just came off discharge they may of had bounce back effect...)

Test ends at 11:20 target batteries at 14V.

*** Note the batteries are discharged from 14V to 10V in 5 min. I find this to be a VERY short amount of time to discharge a battery. It makes me wonder if the first discharge was done in 5 minutes as well? Also voltage is not an indicator of how much energy is in the battery, but rather a load test.

I am re thinking the value of this test. since the batteries are so small, and the discharge time was so short.

-------------------------------------------------------




BATTERY TEST FOR THE BEDINI MOTOR GENERATOR

DATE : OCTOBER 13, 2000

BATTERY TEST SEQUENCE:

One lead acid gel-cell (12 volts, 450 milliamps) is being utilized as the primary source fully charged at 12.5 volts

Three (3) lead acid gel-cell batteries (12 volt, 450 milliamps) strapped in parallel are being used as the charge destination. The batteries are discharged to 10 volts for the test purposes.

Test #1 starts at 10:45 AM utilizing primary battery fully charged at 12.5 volts charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 11:20 AM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #2.

Test #2 starts at 11:25 AM utilizing primary battery measured at 11.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 12:50 PM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #3.

Test #3 starts at 1:00 PM utilizing primary battery measured at 10.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 1:40 PM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #4.

Test #4 starts at 2:05 PM utilizing primary battery measured at 9.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 13 volts at 2:40 PM. The primary battery is now discharged to 9 volts under working load and unable to further run the

TOTAL BATTERIES CHARGED:

12 lead acid gel-cell batteries (12 volts, 450 milliamps each). This ratio is a 12 to 1 charging factor. The motor operation (work) being performed as this was done is not included as an additional factor in this test.

Do we know how much energy was extracted from the batteries when discharged to how much was input to the battery under charge? What was the discharge rate to take them down in 5 Mins? Voltage levels signify very little especially when small batteries like those in this test appear to have been abused! This is all basic stuff which seems not to have been recorded from the description of these tests.

Hoppy

[ren]

Hoppy I have also speculated on the validity of a test like this. As you point out, voltage could be brought to 10v in 5 minutes if these batteries were loaded heavily, with negative effects in the long (well it wouldnt be that long at these rates) term.

One thing I will say however. I believe that these tests were conducted for an "audience" (TUV) and Id imagine time restraints would require JB to figure out a way of showing the potential of his systems. Lets face it. The skeptics probably wont be interested in hanging around for efficiency tests @ c20 rates.

Perhaps someone else has some information on this particular testing procedure.

[Hoppy]

Hoppy I have also speculated on the validity of a test like this. As you point out, voltage could be brought to 10v in 5 minutes if these batteries were loaded heavily, with negative effects in the long (well it wouldnt be that long at these rates) term.

One thing I will say however. I believe that these tests were conducted for an "audience" (TUV) and Id imagine time restraints would require JB to figure out a way of showing the potential of his systems. Lets face it. The skeptics probably wont be interested in hanging around for efficiency tests @ c20 rates.

Perhaps someone else has some information on this particular testing procedure.

Hi Ren

I would be very interested to see the full test data!

Hoppy

[theremart]

RE: Test

Hi Mart,

The battery went above and beyond what it was before charging started.

It was also charged on a trifilar where the recovery winding was 100% isolated from the power and trigger winding so it definitely isn't a problem with the circuit.

The effect is real, it works, and is easily duplicatable. I used a mechanical switch as well...no solid state discharging. Needs big capacitance and low voltage dumps to make it happen. It does it every time.

I want I want I want this !! I have been going at this for about 2 years and I am doing something wrong to miss this level of performance.

What I would do different is a computer load test on each battery after they are charged to show the true amount of energy in each battery. What I see missing is a load test for each battery.

The test is impressive, as in about 45 min the battery reaches 14V I have never seen this level of performance.

[Hoppy]

I want I want I want this !! I have been going at this for about 2 years and I am doing something wrong to miss this level of performance.

What I would do different is a computer load test on each battery after they are charged to show the true amount of energy in each battery. What I see missing is a load test for each battery.

The test is impressive, as in about 45 min the battery reaches 14V I have never seen this level of performance.

Hi Mart

If you force enough energy into a tiny battery or group of batteries like used in the test, then its easy enough to see 14V over 45 mins, especially if the battery is not in tip top condition. A little bit of sulfation will cause the voltage to sky rocket.

Tests results published without records of charging / discharging data are practically useless!

Hoppy

[Sephiroth]

I agree with the general comments being posted about the test posted on John's website.

I would LOVE to have ACTUAL DATA from John's devices... I want load test results, I want current measurements going in and coming out. But more than anything else I want to see his scope shots!!! Both across the coil and across the battery terminals...

Don't want much do I? lol, I think I should save this post as my letter to Santa...


Aaron - The reason I asked the question is that I am seeing some correlation between the amount of resting time between charge/discharge cycles and COP, but the battery voltage doesn't increase... it decreases steadily as expected, but I believe the dropping voltage is part of the charging process. ie. the static charge converting to real charge. Obviously something else is happening in the cap pulser set up....

[Hoppy]

I agree with the general comments being posted about the test posted on John's website.

I would LOVE to have ACTUAL DATA from John's devices... I want load test results, I want current measurements going in and coming out. But more than anything else I want to see his scope shots!!! Both across the coil and across the battery terminals...

Don't want much do I? lol, I think I should save this post as my letter to Santa...


Aaron - The reason I asked the question is that I am seeing some correlation between the amount of resting time between charge/discharge cycles and COP, but the battery voltage doesn't increase... it decreases steadily as expected, but I believe the dropping voltage is part of the charging process. ie. the static charge converting to real charge. Obviously something else is happening in the cap pulser set up....

I've never seen any decent data from John's experiments. I don't think he feels a need to show it because he simply dismisses those who dare to question his wisdom. His stock phrase; "you cant measure the radiant energy with meters", coupled with no written down front-to-back load testing procedure approved by him makes it almost impossible for others to verify his OU claims. John needs to understand that there are a lot of 'bright' people trying to following and validate his work.

You may feel that I'm unreasonably criticising John but I'm simply expressing the frustration felt by others at his unscientific approach to his presentations and writings. I would be the first to give him more credit if his work was presented it in a more professional manner because like many others, I want to believe his message.

Hoppy

[patmac]

Excuse me Aaron,

There is something I can not understand very well. If battery charged with negative energy don't work so well for the motor, then self runner motor using switching batts is impossible (hard... very hard.) build it?

Direct radiant energy for charge the battery (without cap dump), is better for recover used batteries? Meanwhile Charge with cap pulser is better to multiply radiant energy, (maybe scaler fields Bearden's theory).

Or well, I can charge my discharged batt with negative energy, then charged with positive energy to extract, all extra energy efficently?

My common lead acid batts (SLI lead, sulphuric acid liquid), charged with negative energy and then charged with positive energy gives me 12.8 volts. Brand new were 12.6 volts....

What you think? Are you compared this possibles ways to used our batteries?