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  • #91
    Could I add a few things here?

    ...+
    .....+
    .......+
    .....+
    ...+
    .....+
    .......+
    .....+<----(*)<---(Charges are attracted at different speeds depending on
    ...+<-------(*)(intensity of these radiative events at that time as we modulate
    (the voltage potential. They are transverse to the modulation)
    This is a wave form of ac. Much like the description of the wave of the water. Do you see the periods going up to the +'s. Those are radiative tendrils of lines of force or "magnetic" waves coming from the wires. You need to understand that this radiative emission happens in time. Meaning we modulate the potential of the wire to attract the charges at different speeds along the wire. Now to truly understand what is going on here is that this is only a 2d view of this event. When viewed in a 3d perspective like the whole surface of the water and not a slice it all changes.
    Current Flows into our system through those wires. It is attracted to the potential via the dots. Those dots line up with very little effort in a static nature. And the charges ride those lines into the wires internal lattice of locked in connectors. This allows the metal to conduct those charges and move along the internal lattice.
    The problem is that AC or the back and forth method of exciting the wires causes us to force the movement both ways due to the inertia of the energy flowing twords the source. This is a very resistive event. And it creates a lot of re radiative effects. So some have found a way to take the whole and use it in such a way that reduces that resistive event. This is called resonance and resonance is a bandaid to the problem. It doesn't solve the problem because all the theories we are using are based off of the 2d pictogram I have provided you.
    When we use the natural method of attracting the charges without repelling them we have a limitless charge potential when we follow the fluid flow method like Tesla was trying to show us after he realized he was making the resistance himself in his first attempt with the AC method.
    There is no field other then the charge carriers lining up. And it doesn't extend outwards with an active field. The charge carriers are only a static mechanism that guides the charges to the wire and allow it to flow to the higher charge well or higher static source through the metal of the wire. Current in that case is a feedback to the source. And using the rules of flow of fluids it needs an in and an out. We have the in via the wires but where is the out. This is where Bedini came into play. He had the in but not the out except for the non active plates in the battery. This caused the battery to charge up and an imbalance was made in the battery via the solution of water and acid. This caused the acid to become more energized and increased the static action of the battery. Meaning it reved up the solutions flow increasing the charge hitting the positive plate for a small amount of time.
    I hope you guys understand that we have partial understanding of the effects of voltage but we are misunderstanding a lot about everything else. We use terms like Magnetism, fields and currents without knowing their true natures. This is because we could never know their true natures by just looking at that particular event. A good majority of which is invisible to us. But we can infer what is happening through observations of the effects and by understanding that even though we don't believe it we are in a medium much like water. It changes density as we go further up until there is very little density at all. With the highest density being in water.
    We are in a fluid density but that density is less then the water so we get a separation of that density. This separation also exists in out atmosphere, cloud layers and even exists in the density of that and outer space. To get back to near earth events like currents of winds and the likes we can see that we are in fact in a fluid medium. So what can we infer from knowing that? Well fluidic laws must apply. We also know that pure voltage is static in nature so that means the other law is statics. We can further include geometry to those laws as well knowing that there is some matter that has a geometry causing the static nature. And last but not least the laws of resistance. Those laws of resistances need to be modified slightly because now it is of a fluid nature of resistances combined with the rest of the laws and walla we have the clues to figure what nature runs off of.

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    • #92
      Jbignes5
      I think you are talking about, how the Spikes appear.
      I wondered a lont time about too. Now i pusled once a Coil with 90° from inside,
      and the Spikes did not appear anymore as a AC Wave but all pretty equal.
      So i think, it is more a matter how you pulse the Coil or how you attach the magnetic Field.
      All other Configurations where i pulsed Coils from other Sides gave the AC Form again.
      Theorizer are like High Voltage. A lot hot Air with no Power behind but they are the dead of applied Work and Ideas.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Jbignes5 View Post
        .....
        There is no field other then the charge carriers lining up. And it doesn't extend outwards with an active field. The charge carriers are only a static mechanism that guides the charges to the wire and allow it to flow to the higher charge well or higher static source through the metal of the wire.

        I am wondering how you reconcile the fact that the dielectric field will traverse the vacuum of space and that electron flow can even be made to propagate through the vacuum. Are you implying that the charge carriers exist everywhere (even in the vacuum) as a super dense medium -- i.e. the Ether?

        Regardless of their density, the question is "What causes the attraction between the charge carriers?" In the view I'm talking about, the invisible attraction between the charge carriers IS the dielectric force. This attraction is infinite in distance. It only prefers to draw together the nearest possible masses -- i.e. mediums of capacitance.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by pha3z View Post
          I am wondering how you reconcile the fact that the dielectric field will traverse the vacuum of space and that electron flow can even be made to propagate through the vacuum. Are you implying that the charge carriers exist everywhere (even in the vacuum) as a super dense medium -- i.e. the Ether?

          Regardless of their density, the question is "What causes the attraction between the charge carriers?" In the view I'm talking about, the invisible attraction between the charge carriers IS the dielectric force. This attraction is infinite in distance. It only prefers to draw together the nearest possible masses -- i.e. mediums of capacitance.
          no the density is the medium. Like space is expanding. So the spaces in between the network of that space is increasing. And on earth because there is tons of matter this network is more dense. Thats what causes the barriers. And yes the charge carrier exist everywhere but their density changes.
          Think of it as the internet. That network is connected all the way around but when the network gets jammed up they add more nodes to handle the load at that particular point. it is the same concept as that. These charge carriers are the network. But as they get denser from the collection of matter they go from one branch to 6 branches and then there is a density change.
          Kinda like this:

          ........^
          .......^^
          ......^^^

          If you understand how crystals grow you will start to understand how they will line up. But there seems to be some form of 3d branching like take a bunch of 3d pyramids with 4 sides. Put all the tips together and you will see the ability of the network to flow into one at will. The network morphs and becomes a little thinner in the middle and larger as the nodes form.
          Pure voltage that the static charges have can and will cause the motion by itself to auto tune itself and grow.
          If you look at pictures of snow flakes this can give you a picture of nodes. I believe once the water hits a node it causes the snow flake to take a snap shot of the node as it freezes or looses charges. You will see that a stop sign shape in the middle I believe this is the nodal junction and then each branch is part of the conductors as they continue to such charges from the water.

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          • #95
            hmmm...

            Originally posted by Joit View Post
            Jbignes5
            I think you are talking about, how the Spikes appear.
            I wondered a lont time about too. Now i pusled once a Coil with 90° from inside,
            and the Spikes did not appear anymore as a AC Wave but all pretty equal.
            So i think, it is more a matter how you pulse the Coil or how you attach the magnetic Field.
            All other Configurations where i pulsed Coils from other Sides gave the AC Form again.
            I am still on the fence as to weather the spike is from the collision of these conductors of potential much like the peizo effect or weather it is a gathering of 10 million of the network strings into the coils channel that it makes and then releases the strings back to their normal network positions or balance. I would prefer the latter but I am still thinking about it.
            If one took a straight wire we would all agree that it is radiative right? Meaning strings flow from the wire extending our in to the surrounding space. Much like hair does when you touch a van deg graff generator. Except without the roundness of the head. If you took the design that Tesla made for the pancake coil one could see that you could get generation of the charges going twords the voltage source and passively intercept the charges being drawn to it. Well that is the real intended purpose of the pancake coil. You need to change the angle of interception if one wanted to receive the energy as is apparent by that coil. one could stack umpteen thousands of those coils all aligned and hooked into parallel and get maximum from the radiative event if you could only get a pure pulse one way.
            Our thinking is reversed in the "current" and fields respect. I doubt there is any field in a true radiative event only the ordering of the conductor of the potential that are used to suck in the charges from the environment. More voltage potential in this case draws more current from the environment. The current only happens in wires after they are energized and flow into the material of the wires. Thats why I suspect that voltage leads current. because current takes a bit to enter the wires from all around thru the conductors.

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            • #96
              ''Also, that article talks about the way electrons are supposedly manipulated by the magnetic field. I'm wondering if what's happening is being viewed all wrong. It may be more accurate to say that what's happening is a change of the dielectric field due to the fact that its coupled to the magnetic field. I feel confident in saying that electron movement does not create microwaves. Microwaves are alternations of a specific frequency (the microwave frequency) in the electric field.

              I would definitely like to hear aromaz and inquorate's thoughts on this.''

              The way I see it, there is definitely two parts to electricity; magnetic lines of force, and dielectric lines of force. Changes in the strength of one type of force line will cause the other to manifest.

              At lower frequencies, electrons get disturbed and caught up on the streams, if the matter has free electrons available, and this effect is used to power current technology.
              Atoms move for free. It's all about resonance and phase. Make the circuit open and build a generator.

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              • #97
                Tesla thought about toroid orbiting around Earth equator. That took him many months to find something which unfortunately we don't know yet based on this fictional experiment.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by pha3z View Post
                  ...And if the theory I'm trying to support in the above posts is correct, then technically, there is no such thing as electrical conduction. What appears to be traversal of electricity down a wire by conduction is really just a vibration of the electric fields. This is same thing we see with magnets and static fields at a macro level but happening on a micro level.
                  Also, that article talks about the way electrons are supposedly manipulated by the magnetic field. I'm wondering if what's happening is being viewed all wrong.
                  I would definitely like to hear aromaz and inquorate's thoughts on this. . .
                  I am still pondering this in-between and in the light of my current model.

                  Electrons are a form of energy. Electrons are NOT particle, not even wave-particle. See, the concept of wave-particle is based on the ‘slit’ experiment. Some act like particle – go straight on through and hit like a bullet, some act like wave in dispersing; or shotgun effect. I state the effect of dispersing is purely based on vibration in the slit and normal deflection of the electrons. The particle part is purely pockets of electrons that pass through the slit - without disruptions from the chaos in that passing.

                  Today we know water energy is in wave – always expanding. But we are now also able to use the same water in a hydro-cutter which is able to cut through steel, extremely concentrated and powerful, very thin cut like laser; and actually thicker piece of steel than you can cut with laser. Gosh, we can even make water-bullets that melt and disappear in case of it been used in assassination.

                  Thus: Electrons is a wave of energy, a globule of rotating electromagnetic force with a Polarity charge – and here I am declaring Electron and Positron the same entity.

                  Further, I am reaching a point of believing (contrary to common again) that all electrons are not equal. This also corresponds with current mainstream scientific experiments: Electrons forms a shield around the nuclei of an atom. "Like layers of an onion". Each such layer has different rotation direction and energy level; where the outermost layer is the weakest – thus also the slowest.

                  NOW: Following the declaration of mainstream science: Electrons are negative charged; That will then manifest itself the same as normal Beta radiation. And in fact they do have much if not all in common with Beta radiation.

                  THEN: why does the electron not jump out from the wire all over, even when you have a very thin micrometer layer of resin coating the wire? In our spark experiments, why is it that the ‘electron action’ wait until the end of the wire before it manifest as a visible spark?

                  Remember the experiments we did way back with sparks? Amongst my videos there are some parts of this too. Sparks at the end tip of the wire, straight on is quite concentrated stream , by moving the opposite probe back to 90 degree from the tip, the spark becomes weaker and if you move the opposite tip further back along the conductor, it becomes more dispersed and weaker; forming a delta of energy flowing rather than jet stream.

                  Magnets are very interesting things. I have 10 magnets, all same size, material and strength. Each of them has a very definite N and S side to them. In the middle we have ‘balance’. Now I take two magnets and put them SN<>SN. What happens to my polarity? Testing it I will find S on one extreme and N on the other extreme – just like the two pieces are now one single magnet. So if I string all ten of my 5 cm magnets together, I will have a 50cm long magnet – with S and N on each extreme end - 50 cm separated.

                  Does this not look familiar when comparing to the electric spark along a conductor?

                  Now: Which is the Cause and which is the result? Or is it that they are PARADOX?

                  The real weird issue here is that for more than 10 years I do believe the ElectroMagnetic spectrum is in-complete. I believe the missing section is Magnetic frequencies.

                  It is said that magnetism is not a force. It does not have a wave. I wonder, why is it that magnets are working anywhere equally well – even in near absolute vacuum?
                  Better under colder temperature and not at all under extreme heat.

                  Is it possible that Magnetism is the attraction force in an Atomic nuclei – and not ‘gravity’?
                  Is it not true that Atoms dissipate in extreme heat conditions?
                  Is it not true that extreme cooling increases the atomic bond? Eventually to such level that no dissociation can take place anymore – no radiation, no atomic break down; no nuclear?

                  BUT: This will mean all theories and experiments on Atomic structure will evaporate.
                  AND: We will need to discover Magnetism.

                  Therefore we need to find NEW ways, NEW experiments and NEW lines of thoughts.

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                  • #99
                    Ok so here we are....

                    Magnetism.....

                    This is the revelation that I had. This led to to investigate and understand this most puzzling effect.

                    Bear with me here. I will be throwing the references out as I remember them...

                    It seemed to me that all a magnet was, was a conductor of a force one way. It has an in and an out but it has a repelling force when two like poles are lined up. If a particle was responsible for these forces that was guiding the real force that are responsible for the repel and attraction it must be a separative kind of particle. Meaning yes they stick together but not by the traditional sense of metals. I started looking into what was in iron and was suprised to see that actually Iron is a crystalline based metal.

                    Here is a wiki about Iron: When reading this pay special attention to the words Crystalline:
                    Iron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                    So as anyone knows to create crystals on our known world we need the seeds. Well those seeds are the underlying energy matrix, what is grown when you bring the iron up in temperature then let it cool. But if you wanted iron to mirror the crystalline structure that is responsible for an energy it would take on that form when it cooled under a "field"
                    What is the shape of those crystals... Well keep reading... They are cubic!
                    But when a "magnetic" field is applied it changes that configuration somewhere in that iron mass. This can be evident by by watching ferro fluids under the same "magnetic" fields. These are the polarity nodes inside the mass.
                    Pay more attention to the picture of the iron from a meteor and you can see the natural energy lattices that are present while that iron had cooled. I believe this is a snap shot of that underlying energy network that iron lines up to as it is cooling in the natural medium. Iron has a way to copy that network because it is freer to line up to that network. Just like we can align it under an artificial "magnetic" field.
                    When we make magnets we use a dopant as well to make the magnets more powerful. Lets look at Cobalt next...

                    Cobalt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                    Which is a crystallographic iron

                    And crystalline structures:

                    Crystal structure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                    Pay attention to order and structures in the definitions.

                    How about copper then?

                    Copper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                    Well you guessed it, it is a polycrystal.... Hmm are we forming a better understanding of what metals really are?

                    Here is a model that works with static and spins this device.

                    Electrostatic Solar System

                    Here is another look at electric fields that I am basing the connection to the surrounding environment:

                    Electric Field Models

                    And here is the ferro fluid example showing the formation of the main lines and the ferro material radially forming along those lines of force. Thats why they look like spikes.

                    Ferrofluids
                    Last edited by Jbignes5; 06-02-2010, 03:46 PM.

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                    • use of radient energy

                      Well, radiant energy which is also known as conductive energy is used for heating homes, it can be use in generating electricity from infra red lamps or it can be absorbed from sunlight and used for heating water. It is a basis of wide range of communication technologies that using microwave radiation.

                      Thanks
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                      • Originally posted by Aromaz View Post
                        I am still pondering this in-between and in the light of my current model.

                        Electrons are a form of energy. Electrons are NOT particle, not even wave-particle. See, the concept of wave-particle is based on the ‘slit’ experiment. Some act like particle – go straight on through and hit like a bullet, some act like wave in dispersing; or shotgun effect. I state the effect of dispersing is purely based on vibration in the slit and normal deflection of the electrons. The particle part is purely pockets of electrons that pass through the slit - without disruptions from the chaos in that passing.

                        Today we know water energy is in wave – always expanding. But we are now also able to use the same water in a hydro-cutter which is able to cut through steel, extremely concentrated and powerful, very thin cut like laser; and actually thicker piece of steel than you can cut with laser. Gosh, we can even make water-bullets that melt and disappear in case of it been used in assassination.

                        Thus: Electrons is a wave of energy, a globule of rotating electromagnetic force with a Polarity charge – and here I am declaring Electron and Positron the same entity.

                        Further, I am reaching a point of believing (contrary to common again) that all electrons are not equal. This also corresponds with current mainstream scientific experiments: Electrons forms a shield around the nuclei of an atom. "Like layers of an onion". Each such layer has different rotation direction and energy level; where the outermost layer is the weakest – thus also the slowest.

                        NOW: Following the declaration of mainstream science: Electrons are negative charged; That will then manifest itself the same as normal Beta radiation. And in fact they do have much if not all in common with Beta radiation.

                        THEN: why does the electron not jump out from the wire all over, even when you have a very thin micrometer layer of resin coating the wire? In our spark experiments, why is it that the ‘electron action’ wait until the end of the wire before it manifest as a visible spark?

                        Remember the experiments we did way back with sparks? Amongst my videos there are some parts of this too. Sparks at the end tip of the wire, straight on is quite concentrated stream , by moving the opposite probe back to 90 degree from the tip, the spark becomes weaker and if you move the opposite tip further back along the conductor, it becomes more dispersed and weaker; forming a delta of energy flowing rather than jet stream.

                        Magnets are very interesting things. I have 10 magnets, all same size, material and strength. Each of them has a very definite N and S side to them. In the middle we have ‘balance’. Now I take two magnets and put them SN<>SN. What happens to my polarity? Testing it I will find S on one extreme and N on the other extreme – just like the two pieces are now one single magnet. So if I string all ten of my 5 cm magnets together, I will have a 50cm long magnet – with S and N on each extreme end - 50 cm separated.

                        Does this not look familiar when comparing to the electric spark along a conductor?

                        Now: Which is the Cause and which is the result? Or is it that they are PARADOX?

                        The real weird issue here is that for more than 10 years I do believe the ElectroMagnetic spectrum is in-complete. I believe the missing section is Magnetic frequencies.

                        It is said that magnetism is not a force. It does not have a wave. I wonder, why is it that magnets are working anywhere equally well – even in near absolute vacuum?
                        Better under colder temperature and not at all under extreme heat.

                        Is it possible that Magnetism is the attraction force in an Atomic nuclei – and not ‘gravity’?
                        Is it not true that Atoms dissipate in extreme heat conditions?
                        Is it not true that extreme cooling increases the atomic bond? Eventually to such level that no dissociation can take place anymore – no radiation, no atomic break down; no nuclear?

                        BUT: This will mean all theories and experiments on Atomic structure will evaporate.
                        AND: We will need to discover Magnetism.

                        Yes Aromaz you are really starting to see that everything we though about electricity has been wrong. The mathematic model they made were only for how they understood what they thought was there.
                        This crystalline network is the true source of it all. It can pass a ghost of what is on the other end of that "conductor" without having charges. When that happens the charges which I think are collections of static in a bottle or layden jar so to speak. The charges are physical but much smaller then the bigger "conductors" They are mobile and can be induced to move and sense by a smaller set of "conductors" that follow the same rules of attraction or repulsion.
                        There can never be direct short of these charges only a movement of these "conductors" and then movement of the charges around these "conductors" in a vortex method twords a higher charge source. This whole process is automatically balanced by just the mere shape and size of the resulting network that forms from the attraction to the higher charge source. This shape is not only responsible for the movement but also for polarity or direction of that movement.
                        We have indeed been fooling ourselves into thinking that the old Theories have been right all the time because it had math behind it. Well to be honest that math was created to support the very theory they thought was correct. Instead of what effects were actually happening. When that theory failed to support other effects they ignored it and dismissed it as transient or not having merit. On a gross sense it appeared to add up but on the smallest scales it didn't add up.
                        This is what led me to believe that there wasn't a factual base to these theories.
                        One curious thing that I was seeing is that in water it tended to preserve the waves even if multiple waves were introduced and thats how I think it happens in our air as well. We can have unlimited signals like now because they don't interfere with each other in the sense that the charges would group. They don't because only the networks is being modulated and not real charges. Doing a test of this is very simple. Take a bathtub and give it two sources of signals (wave sources) and one can see the effects of this. The waves will propagate even through each other and continue till it hits the walls of the tub and back.
                        The "conductors" are like a capacitance and the charges are attracted to the rear of the "conductors" the effect of that happening has a lot of results. Some being source of charge. The shape gives direction and each plane has smaller subset of conductors that help it "sense" and then move to that other point of charge. These are not the typical "conductors" they are really channels that the charges can use to have real motion and that motion has reference points to use like anchors to pull against. These channels are much like magnets (source) and iron as director or channels for the source.
                        Since most real Conductors like iron is really a crystalline structure that is the connection I needed to prove this is right. How hard would a sub atomic crystal be to see? And how powerful would you think those crystalline particles would be if they don't really conduct? If they don't conduct in the traditional sense then there would be no limit to how much they could guide the charges that are moving over the "conductors".

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                        • Originally posted by Aromaz View Post
                          I am still pondering this in-between and in the light of my current model.

                          Electrons are a form of energy. Electrons are NOT particle, not even wave-particle. See, the concept of wave-particle is based on the ‘slit’ experiment. Some act like particle – go straight on through and hit like a bullet, some act like wave in dispersing; or shotgun effect. I state the effect of dispersing is purely based on vibration in the slit and normal deflection of the electrons. The particle part is purely pockets of electrons that pass through the slit - without disruptions from the chaos in that passing.

                          Today we know water energy is in wave – always expanding. But we are now also able to use the same water in a hydro-cutter which is able to cut through steel, extremely concentrated and powerful, very thin cut like laser; and actually thicker piece of steel than you can cut with laser. Gosh, we can even make water-bullets that melt and disappear in case of it been used in assassination.

                          Thus: Electrons is a wave of energy, a globule of rotating electromagnetic force with a Polarity charge – and here I am declaring Electron and Positron the same entity.

                          Further, I am reaching a point of believing (contrary to common again) that all electrons are not equal. This also corresponds with current mainstream scientific experiments: Electrons forms a shield around the nuclei of an atom. "Like layers of an onion". Each such layer has different rotation direction and energy level; where the outermost layer is the weakest – thus also the slowest.

                          NOW: Following the declaration of mainstream science: Electrons are negative charged; That will then manifest itself the same as normal Beta radiation. And in fact they do have much if not all in common with Beta radiation.

                          THEN: why does the electron not jump out from the wire all over, even when you have a very thin micrometer layer of resin coating the wire? In our spark experiments, why is it that the ‘electron action’ wait until the end of the wire before it manifest as a visible spark?

                          Remember the experiments we did way back with sparks? Amongst my videos there are some parts of this too. Sparks at the end tip of the wire, straight on is quite concentrated stream , by moving the opposite probe back to 90 degree from the tip, the spark becomes weaker and if you move the opposite tip further back along the conductor, it becomes more dispersed and weaker; forming a delta of energy flowing rather than jet stream.

                          Magnets are very interesting things. I have 10 magnets, all same size, material and strength. Each of them has a very definite N and S side to them. In the middle we have ‘balance’. Now I take two magnets and put them SN<>SN. What happens to my polarity? Testing it I will find S on one extreme and N on the other extreme – just like the two pieces are now one single magnet. So if I string all ten of my 5 cm magnets together, I will have a 50cm long magnet – with S and N on each extreme end - 50 cm separated.

                          Does this not look familiar when comparing to the electric spark along a conductor?

                          Now: Which is the Cause and which is the result? Or is it that they are PARADOX?

                          The real weird issue here is that for more than 10 years I do believe the ElectroMagnetic spectrum is in-complete. I believe the missing section is Magnetic frequencies.

                          It is said that magnetism is not a force. It does not have a wave. I wonder, why is it that magnets are working anywhere equally well – even in near absolute vacuum?
                          Better under colder temperature and not at all under extreme heat.

                          Is it possible that Magnetism is the attraction force in an Atomic nuclei – and not ‘gravity’?
                          Is it not true that Atoms dissipate in extreme heat conditions?
                          Is it not true that extreme cooling increases the atomic bond? Eventually to such level that no dissociation can take place anymore – no radiation, no atomic break down; no nuclear?

                          BUT: This will mean all theories and experiments on Atomic structure will evaporate.
                          AND: We will need to discover Magnetism.

                          Yes Aromaz you are really starting to see that everything we though about electricity has been wrong. The mathematic model they made were only for how they understood what they thought was there.
                          This crystalline network is the true source of it all. It can pass a ghost of what is on the other end of that "conductor" without having charges. When that happens the charges which I think are collections of static in a bottle or layden jar so to speak. The charges are physical but much smaller then the bigger "conductors" They are mobile and can be induced to move and sense by a smaller set of "conductors" that follow the same rules of attraction or repulsion.
                          There can never be direct short of these charges only a movement of these "conductors" and then movement of the charges around these "conductors" in a vortex method twords a higher charge source. This whole process is automatically balanced by just the mere shape and size of the resulting network that forms from the attraction to the higher charge source. This shape is not only responsible for the movement but also for polarity or direction of that movement.
                          We have indeed been fooling ourselves into thinking that the old Theories have been right all the time because it had math behind it. Well to be honest that math was created to support the very theory they thought was correct. Instead of what effects were actually happening. When that theory failed to support other effects they ignored it and dismissed it as transient or not having merit. On a gross sense it appeared to add up but on the smallest scales it didn't add up.
                          This is what led me to believe that there wasn't a factual base to these theories.
                          One curious thing that I was seeing is that in water it tended to preserve the waves even if multiple waves were introduced and thats how I think it happens in our air as well. We can have unlimited signals like now because they don't interfere with each other in the sense that the charges would group. They don't because only the networks is being modulated and not real charges. Doing a test of this is very simple. Take a bathtub and give it two sources of signals (wave sources) and one can see the effects of this. The waves will propagate even through each other and continue till it hits the walls of the tub and back.
                          The "conductors" are like a capacitance and the charges are attracted to the rear of the "conductors" the effect of that happening has a lot of results. Some being source of charge. The shape gives direction and each plane has smaller subset of conductors that help it "sense" and then move to that other point of charge. These are not the typical "conductors" they are really channels that the charges can use to have real motion and that motion has reference points to use like anchors to pull against. These channels are much like magnets (source) and iron as director or channels for the source.
                          Since most real Conductors like iron is really a crystalline structure that is the connection I needed to prove this is right. How hard would a sub atomic crystal be to see? And how powerful would you think those crystalline particles would be if they don't really conduct? If they don't conduct in the traditional sense then there would be no limit to how much they could guide the charges that are moving over the "conductors".

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                          • radiant energy and atomic state

                            Radiant energy is directed connected with atomic change state of molecules like air (nitrogen and oxygen), without that condition radiant energy isn't created!
                            If you want create directly electricity you need to use that principle.. Nothing is magic, about capacitos are used only as temporary storage of that energy. For obtain new energy you need High voltage mixed with positive DC at high frequency, that condition generated molecular instability that released an sea of electrons . Tesla using coils have found that but probably don't have explained all or maybe don't have understand right principle. Think that ... air around Tesla coils.
                            In that way using same work of Tesla with an not complicated coil you can recreate that condition and at the same time you obtain an not human dangerous electricity at high frequency that can light neons, lamps, etc.... In all case the radiant energy, as Tesla have named, appear only with the right resonance frequency.

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                            • Originally posted by tutanka View Post
                              Radiant energy is directed connected with atomic change state of molecules like air (nitrogen and oxygen), without that condition radiant energy isn't created!
                              If you want create directly electricity you need to use that principle.. Nothing is magic, about capacitos are used only as temporary storage of that energy. For obtain new energy you need High voltage mixed with positive DC at high frequency, that condition generated molecular instability that released an sea of electrons . Tesla using coils have found that but probably don't have explained all or maybe don't have understand right principle. Think that ... air around Tesla coils.
                              In that way using same work of Tesla with an not complicated coil you can recreate that condition and at the same time you obtain an not human dangerous electricity at high frequency that can light neons, lamps, etc.... In all case the radiant energy, as Tesla have named, appear only with the right resonance frequency.
                              più o meno quello che succede qui ?:

                              The Glow Discharge Plasma Panel Power tests
                              Last edited by wings; 11-01-2012, 08:51 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by wings View Post
                                più o meno quello che succede qui ?:

                                The Glow Discharge Plasma Panel Power tests
                                NO! Usando il metodo Naudin estrai solamente una piccola parte dell'energia extra che il sistema produce.

                                Comunque...


                                Gli esperimenti di Naudin sono gli unici che evidenziano chiaramente una conoscenza approfondita e grandi intuizioni che rivelano un chiaro collegamento ai vari studi di Tesla, Gray, Smith, etc.. e sono , a mio avviso, chiare indicazioni di come procedere per raggiungere l'obiettivo finale, cioè produrre pura elettricità naturalmente e di come trasmetterla via etere come Tesla era riuscito a fare. Sono certo che Naudin sà chiaramente come creare questa energia radiante ma non può divulgare i diagrammi per la sua realizzazione.. quello che è certo non occorrono cose strane o circuiti impossibili e costosi .. l'energia radiante è sicuramente alla portata di tutti coloro che pensano semplicemente..
                                Last edited by tutanka; 09-20-2010, 01:00 PM.

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