Radiant Energy

[jimboot]

Interesting thanks for resurrecting this thread. Hadn't seen it before. Has made me think about a couple of my devices.

[boguslaw]

Ah answer..... Something could be weak by nature or weak because being in balance If you push the balance out it will return. Now you have somethign like twice the amount of energy from responding action times the frequency of pushpull.... And push can be minimalized with resonance , so you are able to close the whirl and energy is trapped in circle. We called them self-running devices

[ewizard]

nikolatesla411, I'm also glad to see this thread resurrected. Do you have a schematic for what you are working on? I've read that due to losses in standard add ons that you actually need closer to a C.O.P of 2 or better to close the loop and get extra energy out.

[ewizard]

Sorry to hear about the fleaBay experience. A PayPal complaint can usually get things taken care of eventually when there is a problem with a seller. I know there are lots of people here that can probably see what you are building already but I tend to need a drawing or picture to get it. So if you can do even a rough schematic or drawing of some sort I'm sure I'll get it better. It doesn't sound complex but I still get the picture better with a drawing. Maybe it's as simple as it sounds and what I'm really needing are some specific details and numbers. Still fuzzed out ....

[Ufopolitics]

Rextifier=Diode?

No, I do not have schematics, but I could draw them in like 5-10 mins. The system is quite simple. There are no add-ons, simply in & out. I built this converter to be powered by a single solar panel, but deliver enough high voltage to excite the acid in ANY size battery or battery bank, up to about half the voltage of the pulse it's self.

I use a heavy duty relay as an oscillator, or circuit interrupter, with small capacitor to help time the action in relation to duty-cycle. The resulting square wave is then fed into a high efficiency coil, with a rectifier creating a positive terminal off of the negative feed.

With well timed pulses, the rectifier becomes the collector/controller. The energy coming out of the system is essentially backwards from the energy we use today from induction of sine waves.

It is much safer, taking up to 250 vdc before you even feel it, compared to the deadly results of household 130vac.

It acts on resistance, rather than specific impedance. Meaning a highly sulphated battery can be brought back to life using it's own internal resistance against it. And exciting acid with high voltage pulses, but not much current, will result in colder charging, longer life since the amperage isn't burning up the batteries guts, and less energy loss from heat.

This is the most efficient, and easiest method to gain these benefits. So far anyway. With people out there thinking as deep as some of those here, it won't be long before the nerds will be getting the girls!

There are several phenomenon I've notice, but prefer not to speculate on theoreticals as people tend to quote theories as fact, and it makes us all look like nutcases. The device is nearly complete, but some ***hole on ebay is refusing to give my money back, so I can't get the bonding agent to form the coil core. I have 2 pounds of powdered magnetite, and can't do anything atm.

Hello and to this site NikolaTesla411,

It results very interesting your conversation here...but even more is the fact that you , as a brand new profile here...went all over to the Archives of this site...to find a Post created around Five Years ago, that did not had any other comments or posts since then, therefore we all could say kind of "abandoned"...And wonder why, being so many other very interesting "related posts" to Radiant Energy here on Front Pages...you went "directly" there...but I guess it is ok...I guess is weird to me but is fine.
My question is...Why didn't You created a brand spanking new post?
Radiant Energy II, maybe...

Anyways a big welcome here...I guess I will contribute also (by posting here) to the "Revival" of this ancient post...
Now related to your comments:

You wrote,

I use a heavy duty relay as an oscillator, or circuit interrupter, with small capacitor to help time the action in relation to duty-cycle. The resulting square wave is then fed into a high efficiency coil, with a rectifier creating a positive terminal off of the negative feed.

I guess You are using the word rectifier and not Diode for any specific reason?...I mean, You are using some "Old School Tech" so I thought maybe you are using Tesla's Vacuum Bulbs ELR 70 or something like...
The same exact things you are writing here, related to rectifiers (Diodes, same thing) I have it also on My Threadhttp://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...nt-energy.html...like putting a Diode at the end of Negative and obtaining Radiant Positive...or "to anyone knowledgeable in the Art"...could understand that also works in Reversal...Diode on Hot Positive obtains Negative Cold Electricity...from Radiant...

With well timed pulses, the rectifier becomes the collector/controller. The energy coming out of the system is essentially backwards from the energy we use today from induction of sine waves.

I have many, several videos, diagrams where I have exposed the same things here, except I have used Solid State Electronics...The Final Essential Set Up is the same as what you are mentioning...

So You would be very welcome to come by and take a look of what am working on, as well as render your professional opinion, very valuable to me and to the Members posting there...

Regards and nice to meet You Mr. Nikola Tesla 411.

Cheers

Ufopolitics

[ewizard]

nikolatesla411, Just in case you didn't catch which thread Ufopolitics is talking about as his it's this one: click here and is a very good place to visit IMO.
Thanks for elaborating a bit more. I've also got some confusion now on your use of 'rectifier' as Ufopolitics also mentioned. Old school rectifiers were sometimes big metal plate assemblies that almost looked like tuning capacitors but I doubt that's what you are talking about. Are you referring to full wave bridge rectifiers (4 wire leads) ? or are you simply referring to high current high voltage diode's such as the ones with screw threads on one end for attaching to a heat sink? I think I've got the rest of the picture now. I've got a good signal generator that can do square waves but I wonder if using a relay may actually be better for this as their can be some differences between solid state and mechanical on-off switching. At least I think there is some difference when it comes to creating radiant energy although you can emulate relays fairly well with high end solid state components. Do you have any idea what the frequency is with your relay?

BTW I think you'll find most members here a whole lot more open minded than physicsforum.com people. Heck I'm so open minded half my marbles have fallen out

[ewizard]

Got 'cha and we are on the same page as far as those definitions although some rectifiers I've got make those old school rectifiers look new. So my only question now is which type you are using - maybe even a part number? I do have some 20 kilovolt diodes around here somewhere although I think they are probably fairly low current. I could not seem to find anything close to the 15 kv 1 amp rectifier you mentioned when I looked at mouser.com. I didn't dig extensively but I wasn't seeing anything come up like that in a couple searches.

[Ufopolitics]

These days the line between diode and rectifiers are blurred heavily. I'll attempt to clearify based on terms I studied with.

This is what old school tech considers a diode--> Redirect Notice


This is what old school tech calls a rectifier--> Redirect Notice



But these days the 2 are pretty much considered the same, even though the functions are different. There are also different classifications of rectifiers. Your thinking of the industrials that are in alternators, battery chargers, and heavy machinery.

These are considered industrial rectifiers--> Redirect Notice

OR the bridge rectifiers--> Redirect Notice

The line between rectifier and diode is all but erased these days.

Hello Nikola Tesla 411,

Those are the same rectifiers or Diodes I use, here where I buy them the manufacturer is NTE...Is the NTE576 which is equal to the UF5404

NTE Cross Reference

Tesla used relays also, but as I understand He also used specific type of motors where He inserted inside the commutator elements a specific timely contact with other set of brushes...

How about Caps (Capacitors) to store this type of electricity?
It blows the electrolytic' s...as I understand Tesla used the Oil Based, and I know many are using polyethylene dielectric with aluminum paper rolls...but that renders a low timing uF Cap...just for the timely spark-gap junction time for Tesla Coils in the 0.01 range...however, it is not a large reservoir or storage cap...

Which ones Do You use for those purposes, to store Radiant Energy?
What signal do you send to the Relay? in order to oscillate like that?

On the other hand, I believe we all need this tech to be developed...we need to show electrical could be as powerful as Gas and Oil...we need this. So, do not let the stupid disappoint you, there are a lot of people very serious about this.
Cheers

Ufopolitics

[FRC]

nikolatesla411

Would like to see your circuit. Yes a relay charger works very well. That was the
first radiant charger that I made when I found this forum. It was the Imhotep
Relay charger. I think Ozzie Callahan also has a circuit similar to yours but he
uses a selonoid with a coil instead of a relay. It sounds like you are getting
good output. I was hoping that I could figure out how to adapt the coil to
the Imhotep charger in order to get the radiant energy amplification you are
getting. There once was a thread here for the Imhotep Relay Charger. It
could be resurrected, but your relay charger is a bit different.

George

[ewizard]

I agree on the lack of difference between rectifier and diode. Having started building electronic circuits 50 years ago I've never felt there was any important difference in them. Thanks again for the additional details. I was also thinking it sounded somewhat like the Imhotep circuit but it sounds like it may work even better.
Funny about the Windows/Linux dummy. I run Linux, Windoze and OSX all on the same computer. But as much as I know there are a lot of 'dummies' out there I tend to believe everyone is doing the best they can. I think everyone is being given lessons all the time and everyone is at different stages of learning. I even think some souls make agreements to come into this lifetime - for example as a homeless person - to teach others lessons. Well enough off topic so I think I've got enough concept of your circuit to give it a try now and I'm sure I've already got all the components. I do the parts scrounging too any way I can. I recently got an old 50" Sony big screen TV for free - triple flyback in it and lots of heavy duty parts. Even the Fresnel will be good for Solar cooking if things get bad

[citfta]

Even after an atmospheric nuclear detonation, my devices will still work. It's like the difference between a CB, and a cell phone. an EMP will fry a cell phone instantly, but the CB will continue to function.

I agree with a lot of what you have to say but I am curious why you think a CB would survive an EMP. All CB's are electronic devices too with a lot of solid state components. Only if you get some really old Ham Radio equipment are you going to find some that are all tube type which would survive an EMP.

Carroll

[Ufopolitics]

[...]

If you wire a relay through a set of it's own contacts, it will stay "on" long enough to charge the coil which will pull the arm to break the contact. The contact arms are spring loaded and will auto-reset to there default position, starting the cycle again. It will react as fast as possible based on strength of field, and the return strength of the spring. There nowhere NEAR as fast as solid state, but they are dirt cheap and can produce a clean square wave.

With a relay wired in such a fashion, it only needs a steady DC current. It does 100% of the action it's self. And if you add a capacitor to the relays coil, you can alter the timing by storing a small charge to be released, which will cause the relay to have more than needed for the action, so the action will be more energetic. The type and rating of the capacitor will determine timing.

[...]

Hello Nikolatesla411,


Normally a relay have four to five legs...Two for coil contacts to energize coil (low voltage) and a third for a low voltage contact (in some cases when coil and low volt contact is N/O) and another two that establishes the Higher Voltage (Normally Open) contacts...
According to what you have written above you wire the relay "between its own contacts"...I understand you mix High and Low voltages, in order that only have two to three wires coming in-out of relay...Am I right there?
Do you use the energizing coil as part of the relay coil contacts, meaning connected in parallel or you feed a steady positive or negative side to Energizing coil?
I do not understand how the relay "resets" back to normal position to create the Time Off at square wave, if there is not a shunt or circuit to do that job, once saturated, release the contacts that energize the coil?

It's been a while since I do not play with relays...(Can You tell?... ) and am sorry for any stupid questions I made have asked...

I play with Solid State, and it's fine, however, I also like the Old school...based on relays...I believe is far more robust as contacts and strength of switching goes...I believe Radiant Energy does not requires such high pulsations...in the Mega or Gigahertz ranges for it to thrive.

The other thing I may ask you...

Do you try to keep the Hot electricity Induction as low as possible , or at least as isolated as possible, in order to allow for Radiant to thrive better?, meaning, by reducing the steel frames that transfer Hot flux?
I had done it in completely plastic-fiberglass air cores...from primary-secondary...and independent steel "space" frames for each electricity (Hot and Cold) isolated by non ferrous materials with great success...

Thanks for your sharing, mostly appreciated!!

Regards

Ufopolitics

[boguslaw]

Funny thing ... I'm looking for heavy duty relay all the time and it's the most precious and costly element then most of mosfets or igbt even. Especially if you need relay with two independent contact sets.
Still cannot find the one capable of sustaining large current for similar circuit.

[Ufopolitics]

Answer to myself related to Relays...

Hello Nikolatesla411,


Normally a relay have four to five legs...Two for coil contacts to energize coil (low voltage) and a third for a low voltage contact (in some cases when coil and low volt contact is N/O) and another two that establishes the Higher Voltage (Normally Open) contacts...
According to what you have written above you wire the relay "between its own contacts"...I understand you mix High and Low voltages, in order that only have two to three wires coming in-out of relay...Am I right there?
Do you use the energizing coil as part of the relay coil contacts, meaning connected in parallel or you feed a steady positive or negative side to Energizing coil?
I do not understand how the relay "resets" back to normal position to create the Time Off at square wave, if there is not a shunt or circuit to do that job, once saturated, release the contacts that energize the coil?

It's been a while since I do not play with relays...(Can You tell?... ) and am sorry for any stupid questions I made have asked...

I play with Solid State, and it's fine, however, I also like the Old school...based on relays...I believe is far more robust as contacts and strength of switching goes...I believe Radiant Energy does not requires such high pulsations...in the Mega or Gigahertz ranges for it to thrive.

The other thing I may ask you...

Do you try to keep the Hot electricity Induction as low as possible , or at least as isolated as possible, in order to allow for Radiant to thrive better?, meaning, by reducing the steel frames that transfer Hot flux?
I had done it in completely plastic-fiberglass air cores...from primary-secondary...and independent steel "space" frames for each electricity (Hot and Cold) isolated by non ferrous materials with great success...

Thanks for your sharing, mostly appreciated!!

Regards

Ufopolitics

This may look like am going mentally insane...well, I am...

I found the answer on what you are doing NikolaTesla411...related to Relay hooking up:

Ok, first it MUST BE a "Normally Closed" contact Relay, meaning, that when power is applied to its coil it opens up the circuit...instead as must of relay's do...(close circuit when coil is activated).
In order that when sending a linear voltage to the coil relay, it transfers through the HV contacts to Main Coil (T-On) (and it is now I understand, that by adding a Condenser or Cap between Relay's Coil legs expands the T-On's)...
As Relay Coil gets voltage-magnetic field on it, with enough or more force as spring tension...then it separate contact plates at High Voltage terminals and it opens the circuit (T-Off). Some relays have a mechanical adjustment on spring strength in order to force additional T-On to open contacts...delaying or reducing time on...
Now it could be worked out with a N/O Normally Open relay...but then it will needs a pulsed DC signal...or maybe a condenser or mica cap at relay coil will do the switching...I have not tried this way before...

The good thing about relays is that We could increase the linear voltage to output through a simple Pot on the High Voltage circuit...
On a relay I rather keep the Low Voltage (Coil and contacts) isolated from the HV..so that contacts do not burnt or wear up faster at Higher Voltage switching...The same as we keep the 555 Timer low voltage signals from HV by using MOSFET's...

Relays and Solenoids are to me almost the same thing...except for the looks...it is same principle...A coil-electromagnet set-up, that Opens or Closes HV Contacts when energized at low voltages...
In Electric Cars they use it to open the HV terminal to Controller-Power Train (Motor Trans-axle) with a low voltage ignition Switch...and some controllers (most by now) also have a Turn on circuit that also gets activated by Low voltage signals from ignition switch.

So, Boguslaw, You could use a Solenoid from an Electric Car...or Golf Cart...they are rated from 24-36 to 48-72 Volts...and very high Amps, so contacts at HV are super duty...

Nikolatesla411...forget my question about relays...by making the "Pentium work" I traveled back to my old school days... , and please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks


Regards to all


Ufopolitics

[Bob Smith]

NT411
You mentioned using a relay to get your square wave. Check out Mopozco's setup - seems to be getting sq wave with very simple setup as well:
reed-switch spinner l - YouTube
Comments anyone?
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