Healing properties of water

[Vortex]

a wild idea

I'd sure like a vessel like that one from PERU.
This is an idea I had about how to make a container without a potter available to create one.
I have no idea what material could be used to create the insert.
I believe the top portion of the container, the curving inward like that of the top
half of an egg, serves to promote the healthy motion of the water through the center of the container.
This feature is found within all the ancient vessels.

[amigo]

I've asked my girlfriend to get in touch with her friend so we can start the process. Hopefully the other girl is not too busy right now so she can make this fast.

Speaking of nozzle/spiggot, wouldn't making a hole on the wall of the container somewhere near the bottom interrupt the natural movements of the water inside it?

I have saved the vessels composite image and will use it to discuss possible shapes when I meet with the other girl. I'll also ask her about adding the bulkhead and the nozzle/spiggot to it.

Personally I'd just go for a traditional egg shape, like the one in white above the words "...alabaster vessel" in the image above.

My next question would be what kind of water would we put into this container?

The waters I have available to me are

- the city sh1te water containing everything you can imagine, plus chlorine, and flouride (because "It's good for your teeth");

- the bottled water which is really someone else's city water, also having fluoride;

- the distilled water of questionable quality from the local drugstores (0.4ppm)

This process of natural vortex will not get rid of chlorine or fluoride, will it?

Specific filtration methods are needed as far as I am aware, and I do not have ways of detecting presence of the Cl or F either. I'd like to build a spectrophotometer which I think should detect various elements in the liquid through measuring light absorption.

[sucahyo]

Attaching two part or terracota together can be a challenge, since they are brittle. Agree that we need to think about making egg shaped container first. I got some website that trying to replicate what Schauberger do using that key word:
Photos of Whirlpools by Karal Studio

it display a big egg shaped container and some other vortex generator too:



also a picture that can be used as example at:
Revitalized Water - Dr. Viktor Schauberger


I don't find an example of vertical vortex generator though, which according to Schauberger can reduce water temperature.

Other thing, some pretty picture of water influenced by music:
Revitalized Water - Dr. Masaru Emoto

[sucahyo]

Speaking of nozzle/spiggot, wouldn't making a hole on the wall of the container somewhere near the bottom interrupt the natural movements of the water inside it?

I think if the bottom hole usually closed it wouldn't be a problem.

My next question would be what kind of water would we put into this container?

Schauberger use dirty water. The process should revitalize dead water. I guess we can try any drinkable water since the process should involve transmutation too.

Other container, chinese wine :
Feng Shui for Health, 8-Mansions Compass Formula Feng Shui

It is interesting that there is silver and copper methode mentioned in WHO website. Schauberger mention the egg shaped container can be silver and copper, but what WHO had in mind when mentioning this?:
WHO | Managing water in the home: accelerated health gains from improved water supply

This link has some egg shaped container used for fertilizing tree:
Talking Trees Universal Egg

[sucahyo]

Another interesting design from:
Viktor Schauberger - Water Info & Products

Viktor Schauberger developed an egg-shaped springwater machine that produced 'ennobled water' with healing qualities. He said that an egg with the pointy egg down radiates energy outwards, (outbreath or yang energy), whereas one with the blunt end down is drawing into itself (inbreath or yin energy).

[Vortex]

EiC Sept 2007 - Feature - Build your own spectrophotometer

[amigo]

Good stuff fellas - if I show the photos from the linked websites, she'll know better what I have in mind.

Have not heard back from the girl though, perhaps just away for couple of days.

Regarding the material, when we say Terra Cotta, does that apply to a whole class of clays, or is it specific kind of clay with Iron-Oxide that gives it the reddish hue?

I saw a photo on one of those linked sites with an egg that was in the "egg" colour. After thinking for a moment, we do not want to put any paint outside the container as that would interfere with the air exchange - might seal the pores, no?

Can't believe the prices on one of those websites, for that double egg system made of glass...sheesh, a silver egg would've been cheaper

[Vortex]

Good stuff fellas - if I show the photos from the linked websites, she'll know better what I have in mind.

Have not heard back from the girl though, perhaps just away for couple of days.

Regarding the material, when we say Terra Cotta, does that apply to a whole class of clays, or is it specific kind of clay with Iron-Oxide that gives it the reddish hue?

I saw a photo on one of those linked sites with an egg that was in the "egg" colour. After thinking for a moment, we do not want to put any paint outside the container as that would interfere with the air exchange - might seal the pores, no?

Can't believe the prices on one of those websites, for that double egg system made of glass...sheesh, a silver egg would've been cheaper

Quoted words are from this Link.

2 features we need: non-sealed porous and egg shape ..
The non-seal porous gives us absorption, evaporation and cooling of the water.
The cooling creates movement of the water. Directing this movement into
vortexes creates additional cooling and allows the water to become healthier.
The vortex is how nature creates healthy water. The additional cooling, by
vortex, is implosion which is a creative force.

The egg shape allows total circulation in a natural way, this creates healthy
water. Healthy water is water that is healthy to drink but are two different
things!! Water has a life cycle and health cycle.
Water is a mystery not explained by current Physics.

There's the story about a meeting where everyone there that drank the water
got ill but no one was able to detect anything in the water that would cause
any harm.. We can not meter all the properties that water can hold.

Amigo said :"when we say Terra Cotta", the importance of saying Terra Cotta
is that it is defined as a non-sealed (no paint, no glaze, etc, which almost
means porous). A porous end product provides absorption and then
evaporation of water, which is our requirement.
"The unglazed color after firing can vary widely, but most common clays
contain enough iron to cause an orange, orangish red, or brownish orange
color, with this range including various colors described as "terra cotta". Other
colors include yellow, gray, and pink."
So the color isn't important, only how porous it is.

I've been saying Terra Cotta meets our requirements without having to stated
those requirements. That was an error to continue doing so, as it
seems "Plain unglazed pottery is often also called terracotta" which alone
does NOT meet our requirements and Not all clay is equally porous.
I was trying to keep it simple without going into the details. That was wrong.

Yes, Amigo the prices are unreal. Overly priced. Just large pots for dirt of any
shape seem to be wildly over priced. It must be firing of these large items is
rare and expensive.

Size is a factor and smaller containers would seem the best way to go.
Small sized egg containers can be linked together in series, a container
system with reserve to auto refill. Some ratio like one container per person in
series? One just adds an additional egg container in the series to meet
demand. That was the idea behind one size egg container fits all needs .. the
reserve/refill system would allow this to happen.

Healthy water can come from a nature stream, else you must create a stream
in your home.. this will require some allocation of space?
Refilling the container is not the only issue, it's the duration of time the water
has spent in the container. This idea, almost requires a 2 egg container
system, even if one does not have a reserve?

FYI .. I took a bone dry 1 foot tall orange Terra Cotta pot and place it in
about 1 inch of water. In about 6 hours the water had absorbed into the pot
and had climbed the pot to about 4 inches above the water line. I removed
the pot and when to bed. The pot appeared to be bone dry again after I got up.
Water will climb higher to around 7 inches in toilet paper if it is flush against
the wall of the container.
FYI, you can use a file on Terra Cotta. It is very noisy to do so but can be done. Doing so under water would be less noisy but would ruin the file.
A google serach for drilling had 289,000 hits so that seems to be an option also.

Metering ? what can we meter and how can it be done?
What might we like to be able to meter?
We need the words and phrases to search upon.
Metering is not limited to the use of some device and can include using our means of perception (which is objective I know) for detection.
There are things only a human can detect of which no meter has ever been built.

sucahyo, you have posted some good things and will be required for
reference. About the WHO. You will find to your surprise, the WHO are into a lot of
"good" things but generally putting a disinformation twist upon it. If an item is
valid, then the WHO can not ignore it, thus has to address it with
whatever it can to nullify its importance. Any world governing (authoritative) body's objective is not to be helpful in anyway. The individual humans might believe they are being helpful, but the body, the artificial thing, the organization, always seems to become corrupt. The objective is to GOVERN, not to allow freedom of choice... To tell, dictate, rule over information and people and increase its own power. Govern=government=political Look up the definitions. Words have meanings other than what you hear from the mouths of those wishing you to believe what they tell you and not figure it out on your own by understanding what the words really mean.
WHO is a political, period, thing. It can not be anything but a political thing.
political means rule over those that are lesser than the rulers.

[Vortex]

No wrong way, FYI

There is no wrong way to spin water, it would seem.
Nature goes both ways (mostly)
I did not know this,
I was wrong in thinking nature did it one way.

This is bad and good news..
Good news for spinning water.
Bad news for understanding what is meant by negative and positive spin
This must have meaning in relationship to something else other than what happens in nature.(the magic?)

The spin of wind, which wouldn't differ from that of water one would think?
Types of Vortices

[amigo]

Still no word back, perhaps the girl is on a vacation or something...hum.

When I do get to discuss this, I will make sure we use a porous material and unglazed finish - as rustic as it can get and close to the ancient pottery.

About metering, maybe continually recording changes in temperature and acidity would be a good start. I am not sure if we could do the same for other parameters such as turbidity or viscosity as it would require invasive methods of measurement.

[Vortex]

Still no word back, perhaps the girl is on a vacation or something...hum.

When I do get to discuss this, I will make sure we use a porous material and unglazed finish - as rustic as it can get and close to the ancient pottery.

About metering, maybe continually recording changes in temperature and acidity would be a good start. I am not sure if we could do the same for other parameters such as turbidity or viscosity as it would require invasive methods of measurement.

Good water background info Water structure and science

A test: Laser light is useful, I get them for a $1 at the 99cent store with batteries.

Testing:
Water is Diamagnetic, 20 times less than Carbon-Graphite or Bismuth.
Diamagnetic Water

Another way to test diamagnetic water
Magnet moves water (diamagnetism)

for reference: Comparison of Water in Magnetic Versus Non Magnetic Moe Joe Cell

Magnetic Water's Memory Effect
Are they sure the water is magnetized or is the diamagnetic properties being enhanced?

Interesting quick test for you guys, put your meter on lowest DC setting and
read your metal bath tube spout and metal cold water knob. Then turn on the
water about 1/2 full blast and read it again, the voltage should read different
while the water is running. My sink & stopper is reading 0.350 mV ..
I'm charging a cap now, it's up to 0.630 mV after 40 mins.

Keep an eye out for ways to test properties of water.

I think what sucahyo said, something like "dirty" water.
After we think we have some good water made, we could add
a little vintager or drops of red beet juice.
Litmus paper works fine or close enough for ph?
Turbidity unless it's colloidal you can see it and to some
degree you can see the colloidal using a laser light.
Learned about the laser light way from a Bob Beck video.

[sucahyo]

Regarding the material, when we say Terra Cotta, does that apply to a whole class of clays, or is it specific kind of clay with Iron-Oxide that gives it the reddish hue?o

In here the best material for teracota are black soil which has some yellowish line. Just watch how it mentioned on local TV a couple of days ago too. The finished product not always red, it can be yellow or black.

Maybe it would be good to use wood for top seal.
Edit:
This top seal should have small hole in the middle. I forgot that I see it often in Jackie chan (or old japanese?) movie, and also at my neighboorhood.

If done right, the water has to have lower temperature than sorrounding. Some senior in here mentioned that a 100 gallon container made of teracota is even cooler than head sized container, as cool as refrigerated water.

About metering, live water said to has different visual crystal than dead water. where live one had 60 degree crystal while dead one has 90 degree. Also the crystal of live water has more complex structure than dead. Mentioned in second book bellow page 40-41.


Memori on water is said to be cleared by vortex movement of water.


link
http://www.albertawater.com/docs/reportonwater.pdf, about current progresses in water research.
http://www.vortexresolutions.com/PDF/HANDLING_WATER.pdf, about how to revitalize river using schauberger technology.


The water for source is said to be waste:

once when Schauberger was attempting to transform stinking sewage solution into clear spring water, he was visited by some senior and highly
educated Austrian Jews who asked where he had obtained his knowledge. They maintained that the process had been known since ancient times in secret Jewish tradition, but it had been lost long ago.

About WHO misinformation, do copper really dangerous for our health? Since Schauberger use it as mixer?

[sucahyo]

Anyone read this book yet?

Kneipp, Sebastian, 1821-1897
My water cure as tested through more than thirty years and described for the healing of diseases and the preservation of health (1891)
Internet Archive: Details: My water cure as tested through more than thirty years and described for the healing of diseases and the preservation of health

[Guruji]

Oranur neutralizer circuit

Hi guys did anyone build that circuit of Peter Lindemann? What capacitor should I use if I use a transformer from 240v supply?.
Thanks

[sucahyo]

Hi guys did anyone build that circuit of Peter Lindemann? What capacitor should I use if I use a transformer from 240v supply?.
Thanks

I guess you have to build it first and see if it make cool breeze or not. Since calculating the value seems require many missing variable.