Healing properties of water

[sucahyo]

Copper is not harmfull

Just found info that Copper use in water transport and our environment has benefit:
Hospital gets copper fittings in MRSA trial - Times Online
CDA Press Releases: March 25, 2008, U.S. EPA Approves Registration of Antimicrobial Copper Alloys


Copper.org: Antimicrobial: Historic Uses of Copper

Copper and its alloys (brasses, bronzes, copper nickels, copper nickel zincs, and others) are inherently antimicrobial materials. Man exploited the antimicrobial attributes of copper long before the nineteenth century, when Louis Pasteur developed the germ theory of disease which states that infections are caused by microbes invading the human body. Egyptians used copper drinking vessels to sterilize water. The Hippocrates Collection, 460 to 380 B.C., to which the father of medicine contributed, recommends the use of copper for leg ulcers related to varicose veins. Pliny, 23 to 79 A.D., used copper oxide with honey to treat intestinal worms. The Aztecs gargled with a mixture containing copper to treat sore throats.

Copper.org: Antimicrobial: Antimicrobial Efficacy

Antimicrobial Efficacy

U.S. EPA-approved testing demonstrates that, when cleaned regularly, Antimicrobial Copper Alloys kill 99.9% of the organisms listed below within two hours. Any reference to effectiveness against other organisms has not been proven by U.S. EPA-approved testing.

Antimicrobial Copper Alloys are not registered or approved by U.S. EPA or FDA forcontrolling disease or the transmission of bacteria that can cause disease in humans. Copper alloy surface materials have been shown to reduce microbial contamination, but they do not necessarily prevent cross contamination.

Antimicrobial Copper Alloys are a supplement to and not a substitute for good hygienic practices; users must continueto follow routine cleaning and disinfection practices.

Antimicrobial Copper Alloys are not approved for use in food-contact or drinkingwater applications.

notice the last sentence, is this a stubborness or already tested fact? Previous quote mention the use of copper in drinkingwater .

Maybe ancient civilization is smarter than us.........

Here is a design of water cleaner suitable for pool or pond, and a way to dent copper pipe to make a spiraling water movement.:
drinking water

[amigo]

I don't know why they aren't Silver plating those Copper funnels. It does not have to be a thick layer of Silver and as long as the user does not scratch the surface it should be fine for life.

[sucahyo]

I don't know why they aren't Silver plating those Copper funnels. It does not have to be a thick layer of Silver and as long as the user does not scratch the surface it should be fine for life.

Are you talking about the ancient implementation? I think they think that copper is just as good as silver or gold. So using just copper is almost as good as using just silver os using just gold. In periodic table copper are placed above silver, above gold, as noble metal. And since copper can kill bactery or germ, maybe it is as good as silver and gold, cheaper version lol. Gold cup are for king, silver for minister, copper for soldier, but all have disinfectant property.........

Although I doubt anyone want to try colloid copper, or trying gold plough.........


For modern implementation, I guess they don't believe in silver too.

[sucahyo]

egg shape (kind of) container result

For a couple of day I tried to find a container that resemble egg shape that I can buy. I still failed to find it. There is a bit similar container but it is transparent:


I have kendi at home, but it has hole, so I can't use it:


Maybe if I hunt around I can find it on traditional market.

Eventually, I decide to use my kid unused water container:


The lower part is ball shaped, so I guess it would resemble egg shape at the bottom part. I filled it half full with cold refrigerated water. I make the water rotate by doing hand light rotating, not shaking.

Since I can't give neutral opinion, I force my kid to use it to replace glass he usually use to drink. I order my kid to drink by opening the lid but still kept the top valve open when closing the lid. The top of the lid has valve that can be closed and open. I found it would give different reaction if this valve is not open.

My kid comment are interesting, he now prefer to drink from that container since he feel it taste better. He now refer the water in the glass he usually use to drink refrigerated water as a very bad taste water, made my wife confuse .


I also made a magnet sorrounded container to place water cup in it, 4 at placed horizontally, 1 at bottom. The water taste different, but not sure if it because I left it open, let it cold or because I connect it to my radiant charger or because of the magnet.

[amigo]

Are you talking about the ancient implementation? I think they think that copper is just as good as silver or gold. So using just copper is almost as good as using just silver os using just gold. In periodic table copper are placed above silver, above gold, as noble metal. And since copper can kill bactery or germ, maybe it is as good as silver and gold, cheaper version lol. Gold cup are for king, silver for minister, copper for soldier, but all have disinfectant property.........

Although I doubt anyone want to try colloid copper, or trying gold plough.........


For modern implementation, I guess they don't believe in silver too.

I meant these people: drinking water

The make Copper funnels, but I stick to my guns that Copper is not good for people, in the food chain. So coating it with Silver would be preferable and wouldn't really raise the price that much...

[amigo]

Since I can't give neutral opinion, I force my kid to use it to replace glass he usually use to drink. I order my kid to drink by opening the lid but still kept the top valve open when closing the lid. The top of the lid has valve that can be closed and open. I found it would give different reaction if this valve is not open.

My kid comment are interesting, he now prefer to drink from that container since he feel it taste better. He now refer the water in the glass he usually use to drink refrigerated water as a very bad taste water, made my wife confuse .

Way to go, to experiment on your offspring...

Joke aside, because your son is not biased in any way as he does not really know about Water-science of Viktor Schauberger, it could be an objective response. Although, if you told him what the gizmo is supposed to do before hand then you primed him for a positive response and thus your experiment has failed.

You'll need to find another family member and let them try it but don't tell them anything this time.

[sucahyo]

Actually, my kid is as honest as I can get, he still in kindergarten, so he assume it is just another cool bottle. Anyone else will get suspicious if I offer the drink with that kind of bottle lol. He also mention that drinking from that green bottle make his throat less tickled (he has slight coughing this time).

I find the water taste different from time to time. Sometimes it feels sweet, but sometimes feel sours. It seems shaking or stirring can make the water feel worse. But I still don't know what is the condition to make the water feel sweet. Definitely not by shaking or putting it in refrigerator. It's location is changed from time to time because my kid keep playing around carrying the bottle and I drink it in secret from time to time lol.

[Vortex]

These are very large references.
Cross reference information you find at these links else where.
I'm only posting them to allow you find search topics to research about.

WarningThis one is government paid for .. you get what you paid for
Page 73-185 on Water. Dietary Reference Intakes for Water, Potassium, Sodium, Chloride, and Sulfate
Grain of SALT reading this information.
What is amazing is they can create such a large
body of information about water and not come up with a Daily Requirement for Water.
They almost say that's kinda a silly question to be asking and don't worry about it.

WarningThis is a MAJOR DISINFORMATION web site.
Water pseudoscience and quackery
But, it's one-stop-shopping for reference leads about water.
For the FLAVOR of web site can be understood by reading the FAQs first.
AquaScams FAQ's

[sucahyo]

I can't find info on the danger of copper (hydroxide or oxide), anyone know where to find it? From website that endorse silver is possible.
Copper Sulfate

Ingestion of copper sulfate is often not toxic because vomiting is automatically triggered by its irritating effect on the gastrointestinal tract.
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The biological or chemical manner by which excessive doses of copper sulfate work is not well understood.
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After ingestion, more than 99% of copper is excreted in the feces. Copper is an essential trace element that is strongly bioaccumulated.

12778. Danger of copper sulphate

I am not a toxicologist, but I have had copper sulfate solutions splashed on my hands since the early 1980's, and I can still play guitar! You may want to check out an MSDS sheet.
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Hi I am Valerie Moore and I live in Ottawa, Canada. I am tired of buying chlorine for my pool as it is heavy to carry & expensive. I was talking to some of my neighbours and they said they never use chlorine. They use one pound of baking soda and 1 teaspoon of copper sulphate once a week. Keep in mind they use the pool for about 3 months at the most in Canada's summer.
Their pool was crystal clear and they have been doing this for years. I was just going to do the same thing when I thought maybe I should google it to see if it is safe etc? My pool is smaller so I was going to use 1/2 lb of baking soda and 1/2 a teaspoon of Cu Sulphate.

About the misinformation, thanks for the link . Hidemitsu Hayashi of alkali water only suggest to drink the water with many H2, not the one with many O2 (acid water). Schauberger also said the same thing about too many oxygen can make people sick, and by processing the water, the oxygen in water can be reduced.

Here are some document on alkali water:
here is some alkali book


This site seems rely too much on conventional science:
Water pseudoscience and quackery

one comment particularly interest me:
AquaScams FAQ's

Most scientists have committed their time and resources to focus on topics which attract their interest and which they believe can best advance their fields of science. Testing of newly-proposed products is a major undertaking that is best done by those having the proper facilities and expertise. For new water-treatment devices, this usually means chemical engineers; for alternative-health products, it requires health professionals familiar with the design and interpretation of clinical trials.

I translate it to "there is no money in studying water unless it is for adding toxic" .

[Vortex]

Water mysteries still being discovered.

Source.
Water usually takes on hexagonal arrangements, like those seen in snowflakes, yet this research has shown that the intricate, nanoscale structure of ice can actually be built from one-dimensional pentagons.

[sucahyo]

Water mysteries still being discovered.

I don't think they will take notice wether it is preferable to have that kind of ice or not, healty or not, dangerous or not. And it is doubtfull wether they will upgrade weather modification technique from cloud seeding to cloud buster way, by correctly restoring natural cycle.

They may end up of finding a new way to destroy the nature more ......

[sucahyo]

Multiplying silver/gold effects with live water

Just found out in:
Coats & Schauberger - The Energy Evolution - Harnessing Free Energy from Nature (2000), page 35

Catalysts in the form of the emanations from gold and silver not only function oligodynamically (they kill pathogenic bacteria), but also build up apathogenic bacteria, as happens in the vicinity of high springs. Having recognised this, a very open-minded doctor, the director of the old peoples' home at Lainz near Vienna, attempted to cure the sclerotic symptoms of seriously rheumatic W.W.II soldiers by administering the finest gold and silver dust. He only achieved a partial cure, however, because this can only be done with the infusion of precious metals in an organic state.

From experience the preparation of organic precious metals is only successful under the influence of a falling temperature gradient, because only thus can higher-grade emulsions take place; something that I have tried and tested myself. Dr Zuckerkandl, a forensic scientist who presently lives in Paris, analysed organic metals that I had ur-produced as long as 20 years ago. To his huge astonishment, he confirmed my assertion that metals of all kinds actually grow. This should be understood as the incarnation of ions, which for the first time correctly explains the generally accepted concept of 'growth'. This involves the solidification of stocks of bipolar dynagens under the influence of gentle and diffuse heat (viz. the highly metalliferous egg-shaped stones, for example, which emit a golden yellow glow even when rubbed together under water - the legendary Rhinegold and Gold of the Nibelungs. This has nothing to do with flints, which in any case do not spark under water.)

Therefore it is also a mistake to believe that plants breathe in carbones and breathe out oxygen, which can be proven as follows:If the tips of enclosed stands of conifers are observed on very warm and windless days at about noon, then delicate transparent wraiths of mist can be seen, which waft upwards and disintegrate on exposure to excessive light and heat.15 This is a sign that decentrating forms of emulsion are taking place. That is, the upwardly radiating carbones, which become passive (inactive) with strong light and heat, are being bound by the aggressive oxygen influence, which happens under a negative (rising) temperature gradient.

[amigo]

Just found out in:
Coats & Schauberger - The Energy Evolution - Harnessing Free Energy from Nature (2000), page 35

From experience the preparation of organic precious metals is only successful under the influence of a falling temperature gradient, because only thus can higher-grade emulsions take place; something that I have tried and tested myself.

I wonder what this exactly means, as I've been making my own Silver colloids for a while now and being a stickler for perfection was never completely satisfied?

Most people say that when producing CS the solution needs to be heated to stimulate the process, but here they are proposing the temperature be reduced.

[sucahyo]

Most people say that when producing CS the solution needs to be heated to stimulate the process, but here they are proposing the temperature be reduced.

I read Peter Lindemann article too. I think it is not the opposite way. He mention to use hot water for smaller particle. While Viktor Schauberger mention to reduce the temperature during the process, not neccessarily cold water, but the temperature must be falling.

If we combine both method it would be like this:
1. We do the silver electrolysis using hot water
2. We cool down the water during electrolysis process

I think the cooling down can be attained either by spiraling the water or do it inside ice bucket.

[David Barclay]

One thing to keep in mind is that the higher the energy of the water the lower the temperature of the water.

If you think you have a sure fire way to energize water check the temperature before and after.....if the temperature has dropped you are on the right track, if not you are wasting your time.

Another thing about water as a healing agent....both the hydrogen and the oxygen have relatively high ratios of energy per unit of mass.

Hydrogen of course has the highest ratio of energy for any known element.

Another interesting point has to do with quantity, as the smaller the quantity of water the higher the ratio of energy per unit of mass associated with that particular water.

So it is better to energize small batches than big ones...such as one quart containers.