U.S. and Russian satellites collide

[rickoff]

I haven't seen this posted by anyone else, so thought I would mention it.

Just yesterday, a U.S. satellite, privately owned by Iridium Satellite LLC, and a defunct Russian satellite collided about 485 miles above Earth. This is reported to be the first time that satellites have ever collided. The collision broke the satellites into about 600 pieces of debris, some as small as 10 centimeters across, and some considerably larger. This is cause for concern, because the 485 mile height is an orbital plane used by many weather and telecommunications satellites. Fortunately, the International Space Station moves in a lower orbit, and is at a reduced risk. Still, the hazards posed by man-made objects in space are quite substantial. The U.S. Strategic Command's Joint Space Operations Center reported that the 600 new pieces of debris will add to the roughly 18,000 other pieces of debris which they were previously tracking. Imagine the complexity of such tracking, especially given the small size of some of these objects, and yet they know the exact location, at any given moment, of every single piece. Of course they also have the ability to identify and monitor the trajectory and speed of any spacecraft, missile, or airplane at any given moment in time.

Hmmm, strange, isn't it, that on September 11, 2001, the U.S. Strategic Command was unable to pinpoint hijacked jetliners and destroy them before they could wreak havoc.

Just something to think about..........

Rick

[ashtweth]

Hi Rick, strange is not the word , don't forget that what ever happened also stood down NORAD.

So we don't go too far off topic, i was told that there is a massive problem of space junk floating around and this cannot be a good thing to have it added to them. I forgot what happens but apparently space junk is bad for the planet.

Ash

[Aromaz]

Just imagine the difficulty to continue exploring space;
How difficult it will be for alien UFO's to reach earth.

On the other hand, they are constantly building up a shield
in outer space that will help to cool the earth down.

“Drey told SPACE.com that the first hint of the collision came
when Iridium officials contacted a U.S. Strategic Command support
office to report that they had lost contact with one of their satellites.”
http://www.space.com/news/090211-satellite-collision.html

IF NASA was so effectively tracking space debris, how come they
did not see this coming; or how come they did not know it
happened before they had notice from Iridium or Russian Space station?
After all, it was not just a few small spare parts floating around!

I am interested in particular to see if there was electrical discharge during
the contact of those two satellites.

I believe the Russians were in fact observing the event and might
Release some of their photos soon.

[ashtweth]

Hi Aromaz

Have you seen this, our friends are already out there, and we put more junk in space.

YouTube - Tether Incident NASA STS-75 UFO

Ash

[Aromaz]

Though this event is not related to renewable energy; I do think there are
potential information to be learned from it. If there was an electric
short/occurrence at the time of contact; I mean more than would be
expected from the solar panels; then that can tell us more about the
metal absorbing electrons in space.

NASA - I ever wondered how much could be believed from that
bunch; lately they are regular and often caught with their pants down.

Ever heard the lie that everything from space entering into earth
will burn out - unless it is a HUGE 5,000+ ton of metallic asteroid? Then....

SPACE.com -- U.S. Satellite Destroyed in Space Collision
The U.S. Navy intercepted its defunct spy satellite USA-193 on Feb. 20, 2008,
sending a trail of debris that some amateur astronomers reported falling over the
northwestern United States and Canada. Department of Defense officials said
"..they hadn't recovered any debris larger than a football."

Very scary stuff! Page this famous 10
Satellite Shootdown

Imagine even just a baseball size item from space falling on your child – or your head!
?? GBA ??

[wpage]

Busy with Canada Goose & Other...

Norad has been busy watching Goose movements in the northeast. These terror birds from the great white north are a present danger to air travelers.

Nasa is watching comets to see if "Aliens" are redirecting thier paths

[rickoff]

Space, the modern junkyard

The Russian satellite weighed nearly a ton, and was 750 pounds heavier than the Iridium satellite, which was traveling about 17,000 mph. It makes me think of the 1979 Asteroids game, where the larger asteroids get severed into many smaller chunks of debris that keep floating around, and which head off in multiple directions upon impact. Those chunks, while much smaller than the original mass that they came from, still have an enormous potential to cause damage, and because of the sheer numbers of objects created from the impact, and the expansive pattern of the debris field, each piece can be more dangerous than the original item which they are derived from. Just think of the potential destructive force of an object the size of a ball point pen when striking a space suit, or the space station or shuttle craft for that matter, at a velocity of 5 miles per second.

What happened during Wednesday's satellite collision could have a domino effect upon other satellites operating in the same altitude range, and the problem becomes worse as more older satellies become defunct and no longer have means of maneuverability to maintain proper orbits or avoid collisions. And just last month, two relatively new communications satellites failed and are now helplessly adrift in orbit, which means that other satellite owners will either have to take evasive actions to avoid impact. Such evasive actions will alter orbits, and can increase the dangers posed to still other satellites. It's not a pretty picture, and eventually all of the space debris which is now orbiting our planet will fall to lower altitudes and then impact our planet. A considerable amount already has. The scientists who designed and launched these satellites knew that some day they would fall back to earth, but assumed that the satellites would either burn up during reentry to the atmosphere, or would likely fall to an ocean impact of relative insignificance. While that reasoning isn't entirely faulty, it does leave an awful lot to chance, and each additional piece of space debris further increases the chances for destructive impact. What may be even worse, is that an increasing amount of radioactive waste is being spewed about from aging nuclear powered satellites which are leaking their reactor coolant.

Practically everyone enjoys benefits in technology which have resulted from our space programs, and most of us enjoy watching the shuttles take off and land, and marvel at the growing complexity of the International Space Station. It seems to be the only place where everyone appears to get along well with each other, or at least it looks that way on TV. What I am wondering about, though, is what the consequences of all these space deployments may be to future generations, and even perhaps within our own lifetimes.

Regards to all,

Rick

[Jules Tresor]

Physics of UFOs, lecture ...

Hey guys, here the series of 21 videos on the UFO physics :

YouTube - Evidence, the Case for NASA UFOs #1 of 21

We can learn good things on the aether and the different frequencies/dimensions ...

A must see, for the first time a complete technical lecture on the phenomena

Good luck all,
MDG

PS: Now being sensitive to their presence, it's much more easy to see them !
I go in the countryside, where there is no light pollution, and millions of stars visible ... and I watch ... and I see stars moving ... and a jet liner cross the sky for me to see the complete different looking they have

They read our minds, so if we are ready to see them ... they show off, it's simple as that !

[broli]

I had to make a space debris report a whole back when I was still part of our lovely education system. The main thing I read was that China's deliberate satellite collision it did some 2 years ago increased the space "junk" by a huge amount. So if this is true then other satellites have their chances of collision heightened by a considerable amount. But the chance of collision was still EXTREMELY small. We're talking about very small scrap pieces here in huge spaces.

Now the possibility of this being a cover up to something much bigger is of course very possible.

[boguslaw]

Wow! could it be ?

Apocalypse cause by large satellite falling at Earth ?

[wpage]

Chicken Little

Wow! could it be ?

Apocalypse cause by large satellite falling at Earth ?

"The sky is falling" Chicken Little...

Hollywood could send a hero like Bruce Willis to deal with any disaster

Seriouly when skylab came down over remote areas of Australia years ago. Nasa did monitor/control its fall to the extent that it did not shower a metro location.

This is a interesting thread and will bring attention to things that Sputnick never had to concern itself with. Spaceballs of litter!

[CitizenDC]

Now the possibility of this being a cover up to something much bigger is of course very possible.

Headlines February 2008:

The Raw Story | Satellite shoot-down plan provokes concern from Russia
Transnational Law Blog: US Satellite Shot is Reponse to China ...
YouTube - Russia upset over U.S. Spy Satellite shoot down
Satellite Shootdown: Like 'Star Wars - News Desk (usnews.com)
Spy Satellite Destroyed - US Navy to Shot Down the Malfunctioning ...

Headlines February 2009:

2 big satellites collide 500 miles over Siberia
BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Russian and US satellites collide
China alert on U.S.-Russian satellite collision - People's Daily ...
Satellite collision could pose space threat - Space- msnbc.com

February is the period of satellites and explosions...


Some more info about the US satellite shot down in 2008.

~Source Wikipedia~
USA 193, also known as NRO launch 21 (NROL-21 or simply L-21), was an American military spy satellite launched on December 14, 2006.[2] It was the first launch conducted by the United Launch Alliance.[3] Owned by the National Reconnaissance Office, the craft's precise function and purpose were classified.

The satellite malfunctioned shortly after deployment, and was intentionally destroyed 14 months later on February 21, 2008, by a modified, $9.5 million SM-3 missile fired from the warship USS Lake Erie, stationed west of Hawaii.[4][5] The event highlighted growing distrust between the U.S. and China, and was viewed by some to be part of a wider "space race" involving the U.S., China, and Russia.[6]

[john_g]

Hey guys, here the series of 21 videos on the UFO physics :

YouTube - Evidence, the Case for NASA UFOs #1 of 21

We can learn good things on the aether and the different frequencies/dimensions ...

A must see, for the first time a complete technical lecture on the phenomena

Good luck all,
MDG

PS: Now being sensitive to their presence, it's much more easy to see them !
I go in the countryside, where there is no light pollution, and millions of stars visible ... and I watch ... and I see stars moving ... and a jet liner cross the sky for me to see the complete different looking they have

They read our minds, so if we are ready to see them ... they show off, it's simple as that !

stephenafreter

Thanks for posting the links - has totally changed how I now see our environment. Scary! I remember the first time I put on a set of Night Vision Goggles - it was wow look at all the those stars. Wouldn't it be great to have a camera/ viewer where you could change the frequency and just look around.

What really is out there?

[wwdotme]

Thats really interesting cause the othe night on the way home from work I saw a metor(shape junk) burning green fall. Quite spetacular colors and long trail....

[sigzidfit]

My favorite blog covered this story back on the 12th.

Slightly different perspective.

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