Gray Tube Discussion

[Aaron]

Feel free to discuss ANY idea that you want on how you think the Gray Tube works, why it works, what makes it work, what the energy is, etc...

[Electrotek]

Spiral Grids

Here's an idea I'm kicking around for making a Tube with spiral grids, for use as a pulse former.

I'll take some bare #4 AWG grounding wire and wrap two concentric spirals, maybe more, with differing diameters. Each spiral will have maybe 10 turns, but the length of each grid can be adjusted, if needed. Then I'll add a central rod and connect the two spirals to each other on one end. The other end will have a wire coming off each spiral. This way, a charging signal, relative to the rod, can be applied through the single connection to the outer grid. When the grids are charged, the sequential grid output can be taken from either grid's single connection, depending on whether I want a higher frequency or a lower voltage to enter the load circuit first.

For coil popping tests, the coils should have the same mass as the grids, and the length and circumference of the outer grid should match that of the load coils.

Of course, this will be when I find one of those "round tuits".

[Electrotek]

Static Pulse

I'm still thinking. In the Cannady Interview, Gray demonstrated a variety of tools, including a large drill and a small razor, all operating in series, connected to his circuit. Gray stated that he had to supply the power through a long extension cord he had rolled up in a big pile, to keep from blowing out nearby TV's. This sounds like a dampening technique to contain an Electrostatic Pulse. Joseph Hiddink reports that he had to repair several TV's in his neighborhood after setting off such a pulse with his Capacity Changer. (Pat. #4905162).

I think I'll connect all the spiral grids together on one end, with a single input/output connection on the other end, to the outer grid. This will produce a Static Pulse if the relative grid geometries are correct, together with the length of the wire to the load.

This type of energy should power an underwater load, since water is a good insulator for static electricity.

[boguslaw]

I think you are on the good road.Be careful, energy amount could be very high.I believe CSET is used to first rise voltage of electrostatic potential inside copper spiral by using one or many pancake coils probably each connected to rod, then stepped down by copper spiral around all pancake coils.Huge power I suppose is generated.

I will give you a tip, which may be useful if you can generate a arc from output of such CSET - test if that arc is flowing through the glass or only on glass surface (or any other dielectric like paper) . The cold electricity is only the later.

[mlurye]

Electrotek,
You are genius Coils, that what we need! Gray tube - is miniature Tesla coil. And what do you need in order to make Tesla coil to operate? We need to tune it up to resonance frequency.
Now everything is taking its places.

[Mark]

Check this out YouTube - EV GRAY Pulse Motor (Experiment #1)

[Beshires1]

Check this out YouTube - EV GRAY Pulse Motor (Experiment #1)

Holy #$%$#@ !! All I can say is That just about does it don't it!

[Electrotek]

I will give you a tip, which may be useful if you can generate a arc from output of such CSET - test if that arc is flowing through the glass or only on glass surface (or any other dielectric like paper) . The cold electricity is only the later.

This IS a good tip.

Mark: I can't wait to see your video - later tonight when I can tie up the phone line.

[Mark]

I wish it was mine. I was just surfing and came across it.

[Jetijs]

Check this out YouTube - EV GRAY Pulse Motor (Experiment #1)

Freaking awesome!

[amigo]

I'm sorry but I don't get this video !?

We are looking at what appears to be an electric motor, working through a capacitor bank, a spark gap (the mesh thingy that everyone says it's an Ed Gray tube) and powered by a lead-acid battery. There's some kind of a meter connected to some part of the circuit showing average of 16 something?

The chatter in the background is about the RPM but nobody points a laser meter to actually measure and show (they seem to have other equipment for measurement though so why not tachometer).

But fine, I still do not understand what is everyone excited about? The motor is spinning and... ?

[ren]

amigo, the motor is running off HV from a LV source. All those caps are probably caps rated at 3000v plus. They would all be dumping HV through the power coils at the correct time. No one has really got this far recently, the studies have been on the tube and the power transformation system. This chap seems to have combined the two and built the motor, which by the way looks sweet. Check out his air gap and coils!

I wasnt sure if his meter (clamp meter?) was measuring amperage, and if it was then there is significant current flowing though the transformer/s. What I am also unsure of is whether there is a battery under recharge.

Never the less, his replication is one of the best around.

Edit:

Watching his video again I note what seems to be a MOT transformer on the power source board, and a lead. IMO he is most likely running 240/120v AC directly to the transformer from the wall. This makes alot of sense in this stage of the design, the next step would be to achieve it off portable DC.

[amigo]

Hi ren,

thanks for the brief.

But what is the benefit from running the motor off HV using a LV source? Isn't it essentially PWM-ed then with HV spikes and less current is consumed in the process?

Should I assume that if the motor uses less current than a generator connected to it would produce more energy than the amount of energy put into running the motor, or the motor has a generator part as well?

I see that the fellow has joined the forum so I'll observe that thread as well...

[ren]

"HV capacitive discharge matey." (Best Jack Sparrow voice)


Think about how much amperage is flowing through those power windings when you dump 2Kv+ through that coil. Think about how much stronger that field is going to be. And you collect it for reuse afterwards.


The point being this. There are two ways you can get HV. Low voltage source transformed into HV, or HV source. 2000v worth of 12v would certainly be nice, but lets face it, no one has got the room for 166 batteries in series

[johnb003]

amigo you see he joined the forum? Can you link the thread?

I took a look at this and I'm impressed but also I was a bit puzzled. For one thing, I was really surprised with the spark gap, I expected for some reason a much higher frequency.

Although I guess high frequency isn't really required for the radiant event (as described by peter lindemann), but I would expect that the more abrupt the discharge the better, as to my understanding the radiant event seems most related to abruptness and potential.

Just a side note, I guess if you interupt a discharge, you're not letting the full potential through so, it's going to take some work to really identify the key characteristics to produce the effect most efficiently.

Anyway, second, I'm curious if his "tube" is even in a vacuum. It does appear though that the motor is indeed running on the charge receiving grid and not run from any other direct source (I need a closer look). I wonder how much current would be produced with just induction?

I think the nature of all of us on this site is to want to ask questions and check things out experimentally, if we took what we were told on faith none of us would be experimenting in the first place.

Theoretically he could drive the gray tube alone and should be able to analyze what goes in vs what goes out.