The Orion Project - Memorandum to President Barack Obama

[Aromaz]

Dear Sharyn;

I think you are a good honest person and you believe in the good of human kind - too much.
Else I would not write this.

Have a carefull look into the works and activities of Orion Project as well as CSETI
- above all their founder Steven M. Greer.
But OPEN your eyes; nothing there is what they seems to be on the surface.

Steven M. Greer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Disclosure Project - Home Page

All this associated projects is about "...Donate now"...."sell subscriptions"
"Mail lists" "Promote our website". To date they state receiving subscriptions of over US$ 650,000 - and all they did was mailing documents out? They have so called scientists, made this discovery, made that discovery ....

Even with something like US$ 20,000 of funding, I will point you in the direction of a number of people here that might even have major breakthroughs. Orion got the funds and has done absolutely nothing.
To date the only experiments they did was testing the beach buggy of Stanley Meyer in February 2008. Nothing else, not even LOOKED at any of the other projects with great potential ????

Yet, when you look a little bit more careful, you find all these are complete public domain on Energetic, Borderland, OverUnity!

Look at the Wikipedia source and check all the cross links form there; LOOK WITH OPEN EYES

SG communicate with ET's, he even give courses on how to do? He has been abducted, teaches courses in 'remote view' for past and present.....

COME ON - If you believe in him so much, then I feel sorry for you.
The reality is much worse - and way out more interesting than this mumbo-jumbo. As I said before, they did not even do proper research, they do not even know of those devices that were really effective and working.

[ashtweth]

Thanks for posting Sharyn, activism is the key , if enough people are woken up to the technology and pressure gov , the secrecy breaks. We include all this subject matter in our up and coming public demos. Thanks again for the update Sharyn

Ash
.

[patmac]

Yeah, I'm testing the Free Energy Collector system with a photoflash capacitor and don't seems to work. I've not seeing difference between charge the capacitor from the batt and put the load directly.

Some advice????

Then we need to build our own super rigid plates capacitors?

How can we build them?

[darkwizard]

Obama is a liar, Greer is a liar .

[darkwizard]

FALSE MESSIAH

[jibbguy]

sample letter

For those considering sending their own letter to Obama, here's mine which might act as a minor help in deciding what to write.... (or not lol but it can't hurt.. Which is true of the entire venture anyway )

__________________________________________________ _____

Dear President Obama,.

I am writing you today about alternative energy technologies that would end the use to coal and oil as fuels. These are popularly called “Free Energy” technologies and devices; meaning not literally “Free”… But cheap, clean, and renewable energy that can be produced by ourselves at home or on board a vehicle. There are many of these technologies that have been proven to be worthy of further study… And that is exactly the problem: They are not being properly studied by our Universities and private laboratories. Nor have their successes been talked about in the U.S. mainstream media. And in many cases, the U.S. government has in the past actively worked to suppress many of these technologies; using the Patent Office to identify them and then declare them “secret”…. Despite very tenuous reasons for doing so in that by any stretch of the imagination, many of these technologies cannot be considered “weapons”…. And they are only “dangerous” in that they challenge the hegemony of coal and oil. This “secretization” of Patent requests has happened over 3,000 times according to Dr. Thomas Valone, PhD (most of these being “free energy” devices); who is a long-time Patent Office employee (..at least as of 2007 when he made these statements publicly via video interview), and a leading scientist and voice for Free Energy.

Besides the military’s “secretization” of these devices, there are many other problems stopping these technologies from reaching the marketplace… Despite their general utility being proven (their ultimate utility may still be in question: But it is very difficult to deny that they do not deserve further intensive study, considering how important they could be to all of us). What is needed is a new fast-tracked program to insure that government Grant money be provided for both University and private research of these technologies. For some “unknown” reason, most are not being seriously studied within the United States. This means that when the door to free energy is finally opened… We will be on the sidelines and other countries will be in the forefront. We should be the leaders in this exciting new field: Our economy, especially the manufacturing sector, could then benefit greatly within a very short time.

Here is a brief and very incomplete list of the technologies that merit much greater study… And that could free us from the pollution and monopoly-like control of coal and oil as fuels.

Magnetic Motors: There is much proof that the power of magnets alone can power electrical generators. This means that power could be made from such a device continuously and utterly pollution-free… As long as the magnets in the device last (perhaps 50 years). There is an interesting wrinkle here that should be brought to your attention: The U.S. Department of Energy is said to be in possession of a very important Patent for the last 7 years; which details a method for manufacturing “Asymmetrical Magnets” (in which the “North” pole of a magnet can be made to be more powerful than the “South” pole, or visa-versa). This Patent is from the inventor Vijak K. Chandhok, “Method for producing through extrusion an anisotropic magnet with high energy product”, U.S. Patent No. 6,787,083 ; apparently most recently re-issued on Sep. 7, 2004.

This Patent and the earlier ones relating to it would appear to be the key for making magnetic motors work best. Yet the DOE has been accused of sitting on this technology for several years. I would strongly urge you to look into this matter; and “free” this Patent for use by our manufacturing sector, and for free and open university study. Further information on this subject can be seen in the “Correspondence” area of Col. Tom Beardon’s website (U.S. Army, Retired). Col. Beardon, PhD, is quite elderly and in poor health… But is still perhaps the most respected voice in the Free Energy arena. His website can be found here: The Tom Bearden Website .

Energy from Hydroxy (the disassociation of water into Hydrogen and Oxygen; also popularly known as “HHO” or “Brown’s Gas”). This exciting field has seen a great boom in past years, as a “booster” for internal combustion engines. Electrolyzer cells in the car break down the water into H and O gas safely on demand; and this gas is burned in the engine along with gasoline or Diesel to increase mileage greatly. It is a proven technology… And in thousands of cars and trucks today. Yet much more can be done with Hydroxy than is being done currently: It appears an entire vehicle can be powered by it, with the energy needed to electrolyze the water far less than current scientific doctrine claims… In fact the power from a car’s alternator can produce the Hydroxy… Making the vehicle entirely self sustaining, running on nothing but water as a fuel. The American inventor Stanley Meyer did so back in the early 1990’s (and was filmed by news crews on the road in his famous Hydroxy-powered “dune buggy”), before his controversial death. Since the Hydroxy gas is created from water on demand as you drive; there is no need for expensive and dangerous Hydrogen storage tanks…. No need for an expensive infrastructure to support it (as Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology requires, which demands 99.999% pure Hydrogen stored at very high pressures; forcing a centralized hierarchy for distribution) .

Energy from Plasma. This is also an exciting field, with many variants but all with a central theme: Huge amounts of “free energy” can be released from Plasma / Ball Lightening reactors with no pollution or dangerous radiation. One scientist working outside of the mainstream who has a working system right now is Dr. Kiril Chukanov (currently in Canada). His website; with photos, videos, and extensive and detailed audio interviews of the scientist can be found here : Home .

There have been several successful devices invented over the last 40 years using plasma energy; such as that by Joseph Papp, and Dr’s. Paulo and Alexandra Correa. There is currently a company in New Jersey trying to market a similar technology, called “Blacklight”. And even M .I. T. has a large and extensive project studying energy from Plasma; only really on the periphery. There is little doubt that energy from plasma is a very important technology for our future: High-voltage plasma spark can even make water droplets “explode” and release large amounts of energy. And there is an American inventor, named Robert Krupa, who has designed a new spark plug using plasma spark that can easily raise mileage with gasoline by 40% in most cars. He is being constantly stymied from getting his independently-proven device to market… It is ready to go right now, ready to lower gasoline usage greatly for millions of Americans. I have personally spoken with Mr. Krupa; I can assure you he is “for real”: An automotive industry veteran and an excellent example of a humble, every-day American and inventive hero. I strongly recommend your Office contact him and offer your help to see his great invention finally realized.

L.E.N.R. (Popularly known as “Cold Fusion”) . Back in 1989, the work of Dr.’s Pons and Fleischmann became briefly famous for inventing a process that releases energy at near-room temperatures, then “Infamous” as they were wrongly accused of either “poor science” or “fraud”… But interestingly enough, their experiments showing that large and useful amounts of energy can be obtained by “cold fusion” have been successfully replicated over 120 times all over the world… But rarely in the U.S. “for some reason”. This is clearly a viable, working technology that was wrongly attacked by the U.S. mainstream media.. Yet when all the facts became known, the media has always refused to retract any of their accusations… Generally refusing to mention it even 20 years later.

LENR was strongly championed by the late Dr. Eugene Mallove (formerly of Harvard and MIT); who lobbied for years to change this travesty. He was murdered over 4 years ago, and his case has never been solved.

There are many other technologies in this genre that merit a vigorous program of increased research. Yet they are not being researched. This desperately needs to change: And you,. Mr. President, are the man who could change this; and change our world for the better.

Enclosed with this letter is a hardcopy of one of a series of articles I have written reporting on Free Energy and the Open Source Energy movement, originally published on political blog sites. To summarize; the Open Source people want to change the paradigm: To that where these technologies become openly studied, and eventually marketed. We want to end the use of oil and coal as fuels… Forever. But it is important to note, that coal and oil would still be in demand for plastics and chemicals of all types, including pharmaceuticals (perhaps 1/3 of their total usage now). So eliminating them as fuels would not destroy their businesses entirely… But it would clean up the environment greatly, and end this energy strangle-hold over us. Cheap and clean energy is what is needed to feed the poor of the world, to raise them up… And to insure our Middle Class here in the U.S. stops our slow slide into poverty. We must start creating our own energy: And end the power of the energy cartels to control our lives.

Sir, we in the Open Source Energy movement will continue to work towards these goals with or without your help (on shoe-string budgets, working in our garages and basements)… And eventually these technologies will see the light of day despite the suppressions: Because when enough of us know about them via Grass Roots activism, when these devices have been successfully replicated hundreds of times all over the world… It will be too late to stop. But please note that the United States is in a unique position to become the leading energy producing giant of the world. If we do it first, instead of our foreign competitors, we could see an economic boon and positive movement for Humanity few have even yet imagined.

Please take the time to look at the articles, or study this subject further with other materials. I assure you there are verifiable proofs that show these technologies definitely deserve further study at the very least. A fast-tracked program of Grants, opening up this process for the Universities to study these “forbidden” subjects without suppressions… Could benefit this world like nothing ever seen before. If nothing else, these Studies could debunk what I have told you here: Yet, would not the oil corporations themselves have debunked them already with studies if they could do so? When Trillions of easy profits are on the line… How can we trust in them to do what is best for Humanity? This is the classic role of Government. You, Sir, are in a very unique position here: Please, for all of us, for the future of this Planet… Please look into this matter carefully (…especially the claims of the asymmetrical magnet manufacturing process Patents being held and “sat on” by the U.S. DOE).

Article “Free Energy and the Open Source Energy Movement Part 4” attached (with many links there for further study).

Best Regards,

[patmac]

Is so bad that hand sign?

Ok... it'ss not normal he is using three fingers.
I'm not putting my hands on the fire by him but...

Somebody knows why does he show this sign?

Look below, seems like a triangle o piramid?

[future pather]

There is, what I can only interpret as propaganda, going around that this hand signal is an evil Illuminati sign.

When I see that picture all I can think of is negative propaganda. I don't invest much thought that the photo is real or, if it is, that it proves Obama is evil.

I look into this Illuminati / Free Mason smear stuff from time to time.

My current conclusion is that originally the masons started as a group who worked to do away with tyranny. Their agenda would have had to have been somewhat secret depending on the time, place, and political climate.

Perhaps there is still a world wide battle going on with that issue to the point where the tyrannists are trying to smear the name of the masons.

With this day and age of info sharing it's hard to tell but I reached that conclusion bc of so much darn negative stuff out there about these groups. After a while it seemed to me that someone was purposely putting it out there. I sensed there agenda was not good simply bc of the dark nature of their material.

Most likely if there is such a hand signal for masons, it has something to do with geometry used in creating structures of buildings, layouts of towns, etc.

Jessica

[ashtweth]

For those considering sending their own letter to Obama, here's mine which might act as a minor help in deciding what to write.... (or not lol but it can't hurt.. Which is true of the entire venture anyway )

__________________________________________________ _____

Dear President Obama,.

I am writing you today about alternative energy technologies that would end the use to coal and oil as fuels. These are popularly called “Free Energy” technologies and devices; meaning not literally “Free”… But cheap, clean, and renewable energy that can be produced by ourselves at home or on board a vehicle. There are many of these technologies that have been proven to be worthy of further study… And that is exactly the problem: They are not being properly studied by our Universities and private laboratories. Nor have their successes been talked about in the U.S. mainstream media. And in many cases, the U.S. government has in the past actively worked to suppress many of these technologies; using the Patent Office to identify them and then declare them “secret”…. Despite very tenuous reasons for doing so in that by any stretch of the imagination, many of these technologies cannot be considered “weapons”…. And they are only “dangerous” in that they challenge the hegemony of coal and oil. This “secretization” of Patent requests has happened over 3,000 times according to Dr. Thomas Valone, PhD (most of these being “free energy” devices); who is a long-time Patent Office employee (..at least as of 2007 when he made these statements publicly via video interview), and a leading scientist and voice for Free Energy.

Besides the military’s “secretization” of these devices, there are many other problems stopping these technologies from reaching the marketplace… Despite their general utility being proven (their ultimate utility may still be in question: But it is very difficult to deny that they do not deserve further intensive study, considering how important they could be to all of us). What is needed is a new fast-tracked program to insure that government Grant money be provided for both University and private research of these technologies. For some “unknown” reason, most are not being seriously studied within the United States. This means that when the door to free energy is finally opened… We will be on the sidelines and other countries will be in the forefront. We should be the leaders in this exciting new field: Our economy, especially the manufacturing sector, could then benefit greatly within a very short time.

Here is a brief and very incomplete list of the technologies that merit much greater study… And that could free us from the pollution and monopoly-like control of coal and oil as fuels.

Magnetic Motors: There is much proof that the power of magnets alone can power electrical generators. This means that power could be made from such a device continuously and utterly pollution-free… As long as the magnets in the device last (perhaps 50 years). There is an interesting wrinkle here that should be brought to your attention: The U.S. Department of Energy is said to be in possession of a very important Patent for the last 7 years; which details a method for manufacturing “Asymmetrical Magnets” (in which the “North” pole of a magnet can be made to be more powerful than the “South” pole, or visa-versa). This Patent is from the inventor Vijak K. Chandhok, “Method for producing through extrusion an anisotropic magnet with high energy product”, U.S. Patent No. 6,787,083 ; apparently most recently re-issued on Sep. 7, 2004.

This Patent and the earlier ones relating to it would appear to be the key for making magnetic motors work best. Yet the DOE has been accused of sitting on this technology for several years. I would strongly urge you to look into this matter; and “free” this Patent for use by our manufacturing sector, and for free and open university study. Further information on this subject can be seen in the “Correspondence” area of Col. Tom Beardon’s website (U.S. Army, Retired). Col. Beardon, PhD, is quite elderly and in poor health… But is still perhaps the most respected voice in the Free Energy arena. His website can be found here: The Tom Bearden Website .

Energy from Hydroxy (the disassociation of water into Hydrogen and Oxygen; also popularly known as “HHO” or “Brown’s Gas”). This exciting field has seen a great boom in past years, as a “booster” for internal combustion engines. Electrolyzer cells in the car break down the water into H and O gas safely on demand; and this gas is burned in the engine along with gasoline or Diesel to increase mileage greatly. It is a proven technology… And in thousands of cars and trucks today. Yet much more can be done with Hydroxy than is being done currently: It appears an entire vehicle can be powered by it, with the energy needed to electrolyze the water far less than current scientific doctrine claims… In fact the power from a car’s alternator can produce the Hydroxy… Making the vehicle entirely self sustaining, running on nothing but water as a fuel. The American inventor Stanley Meyer did so back in the early 1990’s (and was filmed by news crews on the road in his famous Hydroxy-powered “dune buggy”), before his controversial death. Since the Hydroxy gas is created from water on demand as you drive; there is no need for expensive and dangerous Hydrogen storage tanks…. No need for an expensive infrastructure to support it (as Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology requires, which demands 99.999% pure Hydrogen stored at very high pressures; forcing a centralized hierarchy for distribution) .

Energy from Plasma. This is also an exciting field, with many variants but all with a central theme: Huge amounts of “free energy” can be released from Plasma / Ball Lightening reactors with no pollution or dangerous radiation. One scientist working outside of the mainstream who has a working system right now is Dr. Kiril Chukanov (currently in Canada). His website; with photos, videos, and extensive and detailed audio interviews of the scientist can be found here : Home .

There have been several successful devices invented over the last 40 years using plasma energy; such as that by Joseph Papp, and Dr’s. Paulo and Alexandra Correa. There is currently a company in New Jersey trying to market a similar technology, called “Blacklight”. And even M .I. T. has a large and extensive project studying energy from Plasma; only really on the periphery. There is little doubt that energy from plasma is a very important technology for our future: High-voltage plasma spark can even make water droplets “explode” and release large amounts of energy. And there is an American inventor, named Robert Krupa, who has designed a new spark plug using plasma spark that can easily raise mileage with gasoline by 40% in most cars. He is being constantly stymied from getting his independently-proven device to market… It is ready to go right now, ready to lower gasoline usage greatly for millions of Americans. I have personally spoken with Mr. Krupa; I can assure you he is “for real”: An automotive industry veteran and an excellent example of a humble, every-day American and inventive hero. I strongly recommend your Office contact him and offer your help to see his great invention finally realized.

L.E.N.R. (Popularly known as “Cold Fusion”) . Back in 1989, the work of Dr.’s Pons and Fleischmann became briefly famous for inventing a process that releases energy at near-room temperatures, then “Infamous” as they were wrongly accused of either “poor science” or “fraud”… But interestingly enough, their experiments showing that large and useful amounts of energy can be obtained by “cold fusion” have been successfully replicated over 120 times all over the world… But rarely in the U.S. “for some reason”. This is clearly a viable, working technology that was wrongly attacked by the U.S. mainstream media.. Yet when all the facts became known, the media has always refused to retract any of their accusations… Generally refusing to mention it even 20 years later.

LENR was strongly championed by the late Dr. Eugene Mallove (formerly of Harvard and MIT); who lobbied for years to change this travesty. He was murdered over 4 years ago, and his case has never been solved.

There are many other technologies in this genre that merit a vigorous program of increased research. Yet they are not being researched. This desperately needs to change: And you,. Mr. President, are the man who could change this; and change our world for the better.

Enclosed with this letter is a hardcopy of one of a series of articles I have written reporting on Free Energy and the Open Source Energy movement, originally published on political blog sites. To summarize; the Open Source people want to change the paradigm: To that where these technologies become openly studied, and eventually marketed. We want to end the use of oil and coal as fuels… Forever. But it is important to note, that coal and oil would still be in demand for plastics and chemicals of all types, including pharmaceuticals (perhaps 1/3 of their total usage now). So eliminating them as fuels would not destroy their businesses entirely… But it would clean up the environment greatly, and end this energy strangle-hold over us. Cheap and clean energy is what is needed to feed the poor of the world, to raise them up… And to insure our Middle Class here in the U.S. stops our slow slide into poverty. We must start creating our own energy: And end the power of the energy cartels to control our lives.

Sir, we in the Open Source Energy movement will continue to work towards these goals with or without your help (on shoe-string budgets, working in our garages and basements)… And eventually these technologies will see the light of day despite the suppressions: Because when enough of us know about them via Grass Roots activism, when these devices have been successfully replicated hundreds of times all over the world… It will be too late to stop. But please note that the United States is in a unique position to become the leading energy producing giant of the world. If we do it first, instead of our foreign competitors, we could see an economic boon and positive movement for Humanity few have even yet imagined.

Please take the time to look at the articles, or study this subject further with other materials. I assure you there are verifiable proofs that show these technologies definitely deserve further study at the very least. A fast-tracked program of Grants, opening up this process for the Universities to study these “forbidden” subjects without suppressions… Could benefit this world like nothing ever seen before. If nothing else, these Studies could debunk what I have told you here: Yet, would not the oil corporations themselves have debunked them already with studies if they could do so? When Trillions of easy profits are on the line… How can we trust in them to do what is best for Humanity? This is the classic role of Government. You, Sir, are in a very unique position here: Please, for all of us, for the future of this Planet… Please look into this matter carefully (…especially the claims of the asymmetrical magnet manufacturing process Patents being held and “sat on” by the U.S. DOE).

Article “Free Energy and the Open Source Energy Movement Part 4” attached (with many links there for further study).

Best Regards,

Jib thanks Bro!!! Ill help with making that template avail for all.

Ash

[Xenomorph]

@future pather:
You need to do more research to get the whole picture about the masons and their involvement in governments (most american presidents in history have been masons) and the recent american presidents liked to publically demonstrate finger symbols. Proof here: Why Bush, Clinton, Berlusconi and others use that sign ?

Besides the fact that some are members of the occult sect Skull & Bones:
YouTube - George Bush and John Kerry Skull and Bones members

to the point where the tyrannists are trying to smear the name of the masons

The United States are by definition a quasi-tyranny now, for hard facts
google : Presidential Directive 51.
google : congress threatened with martial law

The administration has to be forced by public pressure to change their energy policy, that s why i appreciate any kind of activism. Sharyn is meaning well !
Regards.

[patmac]

future_father

Yes, it's right. I was trying to show another point of view, HE SHOW THREE FINGER UP. not two, like normally we know evil signal with hands.

I thing he is showing the NUMBER THREE in different way, both pics show exactly the same way.

[patmac]

@Aromaz

I agree totally with you.
You're 100% right, look we working for FREE because I would like open the secret, we are not looking for donations, we working and showing our experiments here on energeticforum and on the tube... Then this people taking money. Will they send us some money ?. I don't know...


@everybody
I would like see too a world with plentyfull free energy for everybody everywhere

[patmac]

Xenomorph

Why this type of pics ever is showed after campaig?

If this is showed before elections maybe is possible avoid this type of people wins for president.

After all Obama has promised help to replace oil importation for another energy sources like wind.

[jibbguy]

Remote Viewers wanted

I'm willing to bet actual money that picture of him giving the horn sign is a fake. We have seen it done with virtually every world leader over the last 5 years, and many have been proven fakes. A CGI expert could tell us very quickly, or if we can find the original photo on file. And let's use a little common sense: A) He is much to smart to let himself be photo'ed doing that. B) This would have been all over the Conservative blogs by now if it wasn't dirt-easy to debunk.

But unless some1 wants to put up real cash, i'm not wasting my time on it

I am not a big supporter of President Obama; and think he is probably a corporate shill, and in their pocket. But i do not like the senseless attacks that have no basis in reality that we see. They actually do damage to the causes i support: By painting all dissenters as hateful, mean-spirited, and "logic-and-fact-challenged" lol.

Let's look at some of these things that went around the Email Circles (oh yeah, i know all about them, lol) ; that were proved wrong so far:

He is a Muslim. Lol, not even worth debating. Hate & fear mongering pure and simple. Manipulation and amplification of pre-conceived hatred at it's "finest".

He wasn't even born in the U.S. / Constitutionally he should not be Pres. Hard to still deny when both the original copies of the Birth Certificate have been verified by many people, and there were Birth Announcements in the local newspapers. But some people really don't care about facts... Such as the Alabama U.S. Senator who recently helped to perpetuate the [false] perception of his whole state consisting of red-necked idiots

He snuck secret provisions into the Stimulus Package to take away all our guns / He is going to take away all our guns. The NRA even said this was totally bogus. First, there is no support for this in Congress. Second, even if there was, the Supreme Court is the only body that could do this, short of Martial Law. That possibility aside, the present court is dominated by pro-gun Conservatives. Until one of those Justices retire or dies, any gun control law is a dead duck and will be "Struck Down" as unconstitutional by SCOTUS (they can nullify laws that they consider Unconstitutional at any time).

Personally, i'm an avid gun owner.. And a screaming liberal too lol. There are actually a lot of us.... And the bush years taught many of us that having them, as a deterrent to having a totalitarian regime forced on us, is better than not. One thing every gun owner should also have at home: A shovel


Legitimate criticism is something else, lol... :

> Why is he allowing the Fed and banksters to get away with the bail-out money, without any hard questions or oversight? ... and planning to give them even more? Why is he trusting the same people who caused the mess in the first place, to get us out of it?

> Why isn't he working to prosecute the bush gang for their many crimes?

> Why is he planning to send MORE troops to Afghanistan? Why did he OK rocket attacks across the border in Pakistan already, which killed innocent people?

> Why is he supporting "Clean Coal" when we know it is a total B-S propaganda campaign by the energy cartels?

> And why did the Stimulus Package have ANOTHER tax cut in it, after the disasters of the bush years? Why didn't it have more money for actual job-creation in it?

Lol, i realize quite well there are "plausible" answers for each of the above. And i'm not inviting a Debate on them from Obama supporters. The point is that there are legitimate reasons to oppose his stances, and there are bogus ones. Many Conservatives here have other reasons to oppose Obama...As long as they are "policy" and philosophy related and not ad-hominem non-sense, I would support their right to have these opinions.

But you know, i am not adept at Remote Viewing (from my understanding of this unique and fascinating phenomena, very few us ever will be).... I cannot look into another man's heart. I cannot know what Obama is planning or thinking; what he really supports, who he is really working for: "Them" or "us". So i will give him the benefit of the doubt: Until his actions prove that i should not. That is all i can do

[future pather]

@future pather:
You need to do more research to get the whole picture about the masons and their involvement in governments (most american presidents in history have been masons) and the recent american presidents liked to publically demonstrate finger symbols. Proof here: Why Bush, Clinton, Berlusconi and others use that sign ?

I don't think you have that quite right. For one thing you calling that link proof is pretty laughable, no offense. Besides that, it is not anything illuminating (so to speak, sorry ) to me so that I feel I have now finally researched the topic to satisfaction. It is just more finger pointing and conjecturing.

I actually do like the comment at the very bottom of that link at this time:


"It is initially used as a hand sign to ward of the evil eye, it was brought to popularity by former Black sabbath lead singer Ronny James Dio who got it from his grandmother. When the thumb and pinky are used it is hook em horns though many fans use the pink and index finger. When the thumb is used as bill Clinton does in the picture it means love and when just the thumb and pinky are used it means funky. Satanists picked it up through the metal scene. Conspiracy theorists have locked on to it as a symbol of the NWO. It may be such but it has legitimate and historical uses that appear out side of said purpose, so every example is not an indicator of NWO. But as it is such a popular sign it is convenient to consider every use as NWO because it fits in with the conspiracy theorist agenda.

I find it humorous that if said NWO exists, and there is evidence that on some levels it might, that it would take this as its symbol or be as public with it as to parade it around in public. But hey thats just me, doesn't matter that the reason secret signs and symbols have power is because they are secret. Remember when the KKK was exposed its signs and symbols were revealed and it lost much of its power. So it seems silly that any secret society would have so public and popular a sign. And the whole hiding in public argument is stupid, having been a member of secret societies I know that any publication of secrets signs and symbols no matter how small or unimportant is a detractor to said organization."

Are you saying Skull and Bones is a Masonic sect? If so I would like to know where that info came from. I'm not debating it, but so far I'm not aware of a link bt the groups except in that they have the similarities of being groups that have some secrecy to them.

I agree that the Bush administration was heading us in a tyrannical direction and had some success there. However I do not believe that will prevail and, in my eyes, Obama is a vital link towards preventing it from prevailing.

I am happy that all of us can express ourselves here without hard feelings. It is very important to consider all sides and that can't be done without the freedom to share and respect for all of our views. If we didn't care so much we would not bother to express how things are looking from our view points.

The administration has to be forced by public pressure to change their energy policy

I would completely agree with that regarding the Bush administration. And we can keep pressuring. But I don't think we will find any resistance to that pressuring now.

Jessica