Some thoughts on the MEG

[Bob Smith]

Regarding Aromaz' comments about pulsing in magnets, here's an interesting comment from the Floyd Sweet VTA Yahoo Group
( Yahoo! Groups )
The poster quotes the info below as having come from another source. It seems to speak to the conversation here.
That said, I personally think there may be a more straightforward way to get the required magnetic fluctuations. But for what it's worth...

Thats what my friend did when he 'programmed' bubbles in
his magnets like Floyd Sweet did in his VTA (vacuum triode amplifier).

The bubbles are believed to vibrate enough to switch polarity very
rapidly but with very little electrical force....when it does the flip
in the presence of a wire...you get an induced current...do it fast
enough and you have power you can use.

I saw these bubbles with a sheet of the viewing plastic, held and tested
these magnets...regular identical ones had NO BUBBLE..and the ones he
programmed, you could clearly see the bubble...he said if you hit the
magnet or dropped it, the bubbles vanish but could be reprogrammed. And
the bubbles moved when you brought a magnet near them!

The process involves high voltage.

Using a bubble programmed magnet, Sweets VTA machine was 'tickled' with
a very low power output frequency generator...yet once the domains of
the bubbles flipped fast enough, he was pulling up to 1000 watts out of
this solid state device...see;

Floyd Sweet: Space Quanta Magnifier / Vacuum Triode Amplifier ~ Collected papers, diagrams, photos & videos

VTA Key to Operation

June 1997 Comments

There are more but an immediate correlation to this is the Gary motor...see;

Wesley Gary's Magnetic Motor

Difference between a NEEL wall versus a BLOCH wall;

ESRF Highlights — ESRF

The domains in Figure 37 are oppositely magnetised and are thus
separated by a so-called "180* wall" in which the magnetisation vector M
rotates continuously by 180* from one orientation to the other.

In the bulk the axis of rotation is normal to the wall. This case is
called a Bloch wall. Note that in the centre of the Bloch wall M stands
perpendicular to the surface plane. This energetically very unfavorable
situation is avoided, if M rotates within the surface, i.e., the
rotational axis lies within the wall plane and normal to the surface.

This behaviour is said to be Niel-like. As a result, a bulk Bloch wall
takes a Niel-like surface termination. It should be pointed out that the
rotations of M in the Bloch- and Niel-like part of the wall are not
uniquely connected.

Experimentally, we may therefore observe a change of contrast along the
wall. This change of rotational sense of M is limited to the
near-surface region and forms a surface magnetic vortex (indicated by
the circles).

The width of the walls which are known as "V-lines" is found to be of
the order of 500 nm. These V-lines reflect a complex closure domain
pattern caused by the bulk magnetisation.

[Joit]

I have read lately, when you repel the Field from a Core with the same Pole on Pole,
it should switch at the Iron.
Not sure, how far it works practical.

[Aromaz]

Special Magnet core

I thought that Bearden said he (they) use a special material to do something that normal magnetic cores wont do. Can't remember the exact details as the DVD is not with me at the moment.
Has this material become known to everyone and is that why people are building MEG's?
Cheers,
Steve.

I doubt anyone here has the background or metalurical knowledge and even
more that anyone understand the importance of the alloy minerals.

That is the only thing they kept completley secret. However if you read around the corners (i.e. Sweet and Bedini) you will find they are all hamering on Barium Ferrite magnets (and probably a bit of Cobalt mixed in).

These are not really made anymore because of their brittleness - unless special order. The 'ceramic' magnets you get today are mostly Strontium based.

Personally I do suspect (based on other references in relation to the VTA) that Floyd Sweet might also have used either Strontium or Thorium the alloy:

This paragraph is something I can not even verify from whom it was or where I got it from; now it is just in my memory. I vaguely think it was a note in the passing from Bedini or Bearden in relation to Sweet Floyd. The memory had it as being part of an aggressive or angy writing, so I took it in as slip of the fingers. The theory goes that Sweet Floyd made his own magnets, Barium Ferrite ++. First he made a small magnet (i.e. 1x2x.5), completly pressed and fused. Then he made another layer/shell around the first magnet (3x6x1.5) - in other words make the magnet 3x or 4x bigger. Why? I suspect that the first magnet is opposite polarity from the final product.

I still have to make an extreme press, then this is on my agenda.

You can look at this site; recomended reading
On the Principles of Permissible Overunity EM Power Systems

[Ted Ewert]

Because you need movement of the magnetic flux.
You need pulsing, pushing and/or pulling; which excited the electrons.

The flux has plenty of movement through a permanent magnet. It is a veritable fountain of flux.
I can easily modulate that stream through a coil. I can also flip polarities and start it and stop it.
The only thing I can't do is make it produce electricity. This gets back to the coil wrapped around the magnet. Why doesn't the electromagnet work in reverse?

[darkwizard]

it is in the mineral compound of the magnet. Such magnet then forms the
core of your coil.

I know! that is the secret, the electrons moves a little inside of those special materials but doesn't destroy the magnetic dipole of the magnet.

[gmeast]

Sweet

Hi all,

I'm new here. I have had an interest in Sweet's innovation for many years. In fact I observed a similar effect while in the course of investigating something unrelated. Unfortunately I didn't understand the significance of that observation at the time.

Now that I know a little more and there have been some posted replications such as by Naudin, my interests have become renewed. I purchased the 'Sweet's Secrets" DVD from Bearden and pretty much followed the 'conditioning' procedure UNTIL Sweet started summarizing it at Bedini's and company's prompting. After that the clarity turned to a dismal, dense fog. The more I review it, the less clear it became.

I, like many, am a nuts and bolts kind of guy and can build most anything. I WILL build an MEG. In as much as a complete understanding of the emerging physics surrounding 'zero point energy' (thank goodness that term has finally entered mainstream science and the legitimacy of the 2nd law is being revisited) is important, there still remains the mechanics of making a working MEG. I care somewhat about the theory BUT the fact remains, if you "... do this, put this here, make this so big and this a little smaller ...:, etc. You now have a working MEG. Where is that?

If I built a MEG with a COP of 1.1 then the job is done, the world has free energy. It doesn't need to be a COP of even 2 much less millions to be deemed a monumentally successful answer to the world's energy needs (or the needs of any individual for that matter).

My take on the PM's characteristics in the MEG configuration is that the PM's field needs to be 'mushy' and 'squished' (you get that with a flat magnet) and that you pulse 'some kind of ' control coils at your desired output frequency superimposed on the PM's resonant frequency. Am I right or wrong here?

To be quite frank, I got lost in Naudin's Meg. Does anyone actually have schematics and some construction drawings for the 'baseline' MEG (VTA ala Bearden) that Sweet built ... or do they exist?

Sorry for all of the verbiage but the MEG's potential excites me,

Greg

[Bob Smith]

Ted,
Have you seen Paul Lowrance's animated diagram (with flux lines and coils, and schematic for solid state components) of his setup?
Here's the link:
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/fo...hp?topic=201.0

Maybe it will provide some food for thought.
B

[darkwizard]

When the coil is emitting the sound , there are longitudinal waves creating vibration and mechanical heat, this vibration can be used....

[sucahyo]

a copy of my post in other thread with different question:

Link posted by Aromaz on Aromaz thread:
How It Works
"What i came up with was a coil pack that when pulsing the coil it pushed the magnetic feild off the coil pack then as the wave from the pulse stoped we could collect the back energy from that same wire and use it to power a battery.
...
What i found was that a wave to pulse into the coil is not a normal wave. The wave we use helps us getmore power back out of out coil setup. the power going into the coil pack is between 1000 - 2000 Hz. Most people when they build my style of unit use a regular wave form and try to remove the power and that is the problem."

What is the pulse requirement for MEG?

Do magnet polarity in MEG oppose the input?

What if we collect the radiant spike instead?

For Floyd sweet device, if flat magnet north in face needed, what if we make the coil follow the magnetic line like Howard Johnson mention? Maybe we just negating field if we make the coil shaped like a box.

According to magnetic flux, if similar to attachment, the coil wounding start at top center, to top left, to left center, to the middle, to bottom center, to bottom right, to right center, to the middle, to top center, repeat........

I found MEG use classical theory of magnetic flow.
Bearden MEG generator image from
RaFöG - Generatoren


while according to Howard johnson:


So, in my opinion, the original flow (blue arrow) do not show the actual magnetic flow. The flow (red arrow) is conflicting in current design, only creating weak flow (pink arrow) in the circuit, maybe the current trigger or collecting coil conflict each other too. Maybe anyone succeded in building one must have created asymmetrical magnet. Magnet where it's pole do not have equal power.

[Ted Ewert]

Ted,
Have you seen Paul Lowrance's animated diagram (with flux lines and coils, and schematic for solid state components) of his setup?
Here's the link:
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/fo...hp?topic=201.0

Maybe it will provide some food for thought.
B

Interesting design, thanks for the link.
While I think computer programs can be a great help when designing circuits, the proof is always in the pudding. Nevertheless, I hope his design works and I look forward to seeing the results.



Ted

[ashtweth]

Hi Ted/all

I found some notes on his meg from the OU forum, note he has taken all his MEG pages down!

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LoganBaker:
Hello all. I was wondering, not too long ago I found this page http://www.inkomp-delta.com/ and on it is a Meg alike system shown.
There is also a YouTube video, it is a bit different then the one on their own page. The device seems to be enclosed in this bigger control box.
YouTube - Free energy: INKOMP-generator "CME-250" testing

Now it all look very promising, in the video it seems the thing is past a Cop of 2...,and it indeed is a surprisingly fresh and 'new' way of doing this 'permanent magnet switching'. See the attached photo's (Or the one on their page) they have these 'toroid' (close looped) input core sections which will function as a 'magnetic resistor' once magnetized/saturated. And so the flux form the magnet will have to find another way around. Now we all know that saturating a core section does not take much power. Another 'novel' thing here is, is that the flux from the input coil never interacts with the output coil so there is a separation. That way only the flux from the magnet will do the power 'generation'.

I also found some other info about it on some MegBuilders group, here it is:
Hi all!

I recently discovered one Bulgarian experimenter that built MEG like
device with COP > 1. His Website is here: www.inkomp-delta.com. The
site is in Bulgarian, so I asked him and he uploaded one page in
English (http://www.inkomp-delta.com/page9.html).

Valeri generously agreed to answer my questions and we talked for a
few hours. There are 2 conclusions that I got from this conversation,
and I want to share them with you guys:

1. Valeri claims that magnetic flux from control coil and output coil
should be separated. He claims that the structure presented in TB
patent (with mutual flux for both coils) cannot work. He worked
around this problem by inserting additional toroidal core inside the
main core. The control coil is winded on the additional core but its
flux does not go to the output coil.

2. He also claims that capacitor is absolutely necessary to be
connected to the output coil to obtain resonance. It also makes TB's
patent claims about zero phase difference between output coil voltage
and current somewhat suspicious.

There were also other interesting points like:

3. He said that nanocrystalline material is not absolutely necessary
for the effect to be observed. Such materials can improve efficiency,
but nothing unique happens inside the core. For example, one of his
prototypes with measurements published on the Website
(http://www.inkomp-delta.com/page6.html) works at 50Hz (!!!) with
regular transformer steel core and exhibits COP up to 5.4.

4. He also proposed a few constructions for his ideas in his patent
application (http://inkomp-delta.com/page4.html). It's also in
Bulgarian, but all schematic figures are in couples. The first
presents a state without current in control coil, the second presents
a state with current in control coil. Permanent magnet flux is in
blue. Control coil flux is in red.

I hope the above points will help somebody. At least for me it
changed a lot.

So there you have it. What do you think?
I have not seen this being discussed before on overunity.com
So maybe any of you have some insights in this tech or maybe speak Bulgarian and be able to translate the whole lot?


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[BroMikey]

Beardon, Floyd, Sweet and how the MEG was born.

1987 free energy

I have been on these forums since 2000 and never once

have I seem this work. John was there.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSQVbJ0jsL0[/VIDEO]

[BroMikey]

Beardon, Floyd, Sweet and how the MEG was born.

1987 free energy

I have been on these forums since 2000 and never once

have I seem this work. John was there.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSQVbJ0jsL0[/VIDEO]

This video is really amazing to me. Back in the early 1900's grandDAD

was into vacuum tubes and when he died he gave me large cases

of them in the 1980's. Of course tubes have always been interesting

to me. I am surprised that no one on earth today can replicate this.


All of the data seems to be splattered all over the web. If anyone out

there has a tube like this where they may energize the grid and operate

the plate for this work, please let us know.


I understand that it involves a pump using magnets and coils.


I am sure that the debunkers have stated that poor ole Tom had

meter failure, just look at those old devices. Tom should have used

a digital meter so he wasn't so far off. Isn't that right boys?

[BroMikey]

Young mans quest to build a machine to condition magnets

for operating the Sweet VTA. He buys ferite blocks or rings

and makes magnets with a frequency that is embedded forever

into the magnet. This is a foundation to the VTA.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFarS-liuBY[/VIDEO]



[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJ_sFy6BQU[/VIDEO]

[BroMikey]

Watson history A VTA has nothing to do with a vaccum, it's

not a TRIODE and is not really an AMPLIFIER. As the audience

laughs uncontrollably. The Sweet information is masked in

secrecy by Sweet himself who has disappeared the way the rest of

mankind always does.

More accurately the VTA is a "Self excited Magnetic Amplifier"

Key materials "Barium ferite magnets" high energy controlled pulses

to de-magnetize for conditioning.




[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhGQaESKEI[/VIDEO]