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  • Some thoughts on the MEG

    I've done a fair amount of work for the past few months trying to get a MEG to work. This was all based on the "law" that basically states that electrical current is induced through a coil by varying the magnetic field through it's core. This is what is claimed to cause the transfer of electrical energy through a transformer. I have come to realize that this law is not accurate.
    I have built and tried dozens of different physical and electrical configurations of the MEG with no success whatsoever. I almost got to the point that I thought a permanent magnet was fundamentally different from an electromagnet, until I tried the electromagnet in the same place as the PM and it didn't work either.
    I can switch magnetic flux from a permanent magnet through a coil all day long but it simply does not produce any electricity. I can see the switching pulse induced into the load coil, but the magnet makes absolutely no additional difference. I get the exact same waveform and power readings when the magnet is removed. I've tried alternating polarities across a coil, bucking arraignments, series additive and subtractive coils, only using one polarity or the other and it all works as though there is no magnet in the circuit whatsoever. It's very strange.
    I've used very short pulses to switch a magnet across a coil. According to academia, the magnetic current should continue to polarize the core once the pulse has ended and produce current in the windings. This does not happen.
    I have come to realize, after only 3 or 4 months of banging my head against the wall, that magnetic current moving through a core alone does not induce electrical power in the windings. I proved this to myself by taking a powerful magnet and connecting it across a coil with large bars of steel. I then pried off the bars and let them snap back on to the core while monitoring an analog volt meter across the windings. No matter what I did, I could not induce even a minuscule deflection of the needle, even though I was on the lowest millivolt setting. This simple test showed me that the MEG will never work in it's most common configurations
    This begs the obvious question: Why does a transformer work and a MEG doesn't? In the MEG there is a lack of a critical change that needs to take place in order to induce current into the windings. I suspect that it is the phase relationship between the B and the H fields. In a permanent magnet these forces are in phase. This would account for the fact that one cannot wrap a PM with wire and get DC out of it.
    In a transformer, there is a continual phase differential between the primary and the secondary. There is also a phase differential between the voltage and the current. As long as this phase differential exists, power can be generated in the secondary. If it were only the change in flux through the core that produced voltage in the secondary, a square wave could not pass through a transformer undistorted, which is not the case.
    When a magnet is moving by a coil, the relationship between magnetomotive force and magnetic current must be altered in a time sense. How exactly this happens is unclear to me at this point. However, finding a way to alter the phase relationship of a PM in a circuit, without moving it, is the next step. Bearden says he's done it with a Metglass core, which I don't have access to. However, I do have some magnetite sand, among other things, that I'm going to mold into a core and see what happens. Composite cores tend to act like capacitors, as the gaps between the particles will store energy instead of passing it straight through like steel cores will. Perhaps this will help alter the phase of the magnetic forces as they pass through.
    I assume magnetic force and magnetic current are similar to their electrical counterparts. As such, they would be susceptible to unequal propagation delays through certain materials and configurations. Finding and testing these materials and configurations will most likely lead to some progress in getting the MEG to produce some power. We shall see...

    Cheers,

    Ted

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    Hi Ted, this is the best i could come up with for real experimentation for the MEG, this guy is not well known, hope it helps my friend.

    http://www.inkomp-delta.com/page6.html
    Taken from
    M.E.G

    Ash

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ashtweth View Post
      Hi Ted, this is the best i could come up with for real experimentation for the MEG, this guy is not well known, hope it helps my friend.

      http://www.inkomp-delta.com/page6.html
      Taken from
      M.E.G

      Ash
      Thanks Ash, the translation from Russian makes for entertaining reading.
      The MEG seems like a straight forward device in the beginning; just switch the flux from leg to leg and gather the electricity up for endless power.
      Unfortunately, Nature doesn't reveal herself that easily. She has her own laws and standards, and the courtship has to proceed along her terms. Capitulation only occurs at the time of her choosing, when all the prerequisites have been satisfactorily accomplished. For impatient people like me it becomes a real trial.
      I really don't know what the hell I'm doing, but it's just too intriguing not to keep going down this road. Who knows if I'll crack this nut or not, but it's sure a lot of fun trying.



      Ted

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      • #4
        Just some wild guess, is the magnetic pulsing of a magnet known? Maybe we should make the coil resonate at the same frequency as the magnet?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
          Just some wild guess, is the magnetic pulsing of a magnet known? Maybe we should make the coil resonate at the same frequency as the magnet?
          That's an interesting question. I have never detected any physical modulation of the magnetic field. However, if the frequency were fairly high it wouldn't be detectable through mechanical means, and I'm finding out that it wouldn't show up electrically either.
          I suspect Floyd Sweet knew all about these issue. I now know that he was shifting more than just the field strength of the magnet. I'm sure that he figured out how to shift the phase of the B and H fields too. I suspect this is why he had conditioning coils wrapped around all three axis of the magnet.
          Permanent magnets are little energy generators. Finding the secret to harvesting that energy efficiently is something only a few have done successfully. Nevertheless, once the method is known, it's free energy forever.

          Cheers,

          Ted

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          • #6
            Tad,
            It seems your thread may be on the right track. The question may indeed be modulating the magnetic field.

            This may be the secret stumbled on by the inventor of the power multiplier that uses neo magnets at Magnetic power, green power, over unity, power for home, no wires, Richard Willis, Magnacoaster Motor Company Inc. . Here's a quote from his home page, and a youtube link to the apparatus demonstrated below.

            "In 2007 Richard Willis discovers that power from less is now possible. The neo magnets can be harnessed in a new way. A switch can turn them off and on and the power can be collected and used.

            In 2008 Richard was able to produce power in a small format with no movement 12 Volts @ 1 amp input and outputs of 12 – 24 – 48 Volts @ 100 Amps with 4 – 8 – 12 outputs.57 KW of power from a 12 volt 1 amp feed. This has never been done before. The world again has changed and now local grid power can be made anywhere! No fuel and no emissions just power that can be used for all your needs.

            We have the unit classed in a solar setup to get solar power rates for ongrid power. We are also working on a new style case so the unit can be used in a electric car or truck."

            Here he is demonstrating the unit to potential investors:
            YouTube - Magnacoaster v1

            Bob

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bob Smith View Post
              Tad,
              It seems your thread may be on the right track. The question may indeed be modulating the magnetic field.

              This may be the secret stumbled on by the inventor of the power multiplier that uses neo magnets at Magnetic power, green power, over unity, power for home, no wires, Richard Willis, Magnacoaster Motor Company Inc. . Here's a quote from his home page, and a youtube link to the apparatus demonstrated below.

              "In 2007 Richard Willis discovers that power from less is now possible. The neo magnets can be harnessed in a new way. A switch can turn them off and on and the power can be collected and used.

              In 2008 Richard was able to produce power in a small format with no movement 12 Volts @ 1 amp input and outputs of 12 – 24 – 48 Volts @ 100 Amps with 4 – 8 – 12 outputs.57 KW of power from a 12 volt 1 amp feed. This has never been done before. The world again has changed and now local grid power can be made anywhere! No fuel and no emissions just power that can be used for all your needs.

              We have the unit classed in a solar setup to get solar power rates for ongrid power. We are also working on a new style case so the unit can be used in a electric car or truck."

              Here he is demonstrating the unit to potential investors:
              YouTube - Magnacoaster v1

              Bob
              Hi Bob,
              What he did is what I'm trying to do. He started out with what looked like a Hildenbrand type switch in a motor / generator configuration, and that apparently morphed into a MEG type unit.
              He's not talking, so I'm still just guessing how he got power from a switched magnet. I'm working on a couple of possible solutions, but I haven't finished building and testing them yet.
              If he can do it, so can I.

              Cheers,

              Ted

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              • #8
                If we put a coil, a rotating magnet and a pickup coil from the other side of the magnet, and for example: we energize the power coil with 555 pulses, we can pickup both the radiant from the coil and the energy generated at the pickup coil, yes of course, little energy is gained, and lenz law opposes the movement of the magnet, but some extra energy must be obtained.

                i don't know.

                The sound produced by the coil in resonance with a magnet , produces real force, but not electric energy, i don't know how to obtain this energy back to electric energy.

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                • #9
                  Please look this patent , Inductance component in which a permanent magnet for applying a magnetic bias is arranged outside an excitation coil - Patent 6639499

                  This seems to be a open magnetic circuit, on a normal transformer radiant energy is dropped due to the closed magnetic circuit, this special transformer seems to obtain radiant and poynting in the secondary windings. The A field and the B field simultaneously
                  Last edited by darkwizard; 02-28-2009, 07:11 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by darkwizard View Post
                    Please look this patent , Inductance component in which a permanent magnet for applying a magnetic bias is arranged outside an excitation coil - Patent 6639499

                    This seems to be a open magnetic circuit, on a normal transformer radiant energy is dropped due to the closed magnetic circuit, this special transformer seems to obtain radiant and poynting in the secondary windings. The A field and the B field simultaneously
                    It's just a transformer with a magnet on it. The magnet is used to pre bias the core. It probably creates a certain favorable hysteresis curve.
                    I've tried that type of set up in a bunch of different ways and it doesn't work.
                    Faraday's law:
                    only applies to a magnet moving with respect to a coil, and magnetic current in a transformer. It makes no mention of extenuating circumstances, or of exactly how induction occurs. Faraday discovered induction back in 1831 and we're still using his formula today. I think it's time for an update.

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                    • #11
                      I could not figure how Obtain extra energy from the MEG

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                      • #12
                        For me, there seem to be two starting points with this kind of apparatus:
                        1. You have to supply an external power source (battery or rectified, stepped down mains), or
                        2. You have to be converting/cohering (to use a Stiffler term) aetheric energy into useable electrical impluses.
                        The fellow in the link I posted above seems to be using a battery to feed the system to multiply his voltage and amperage. If you are able to harness the 2nd option (and have the rest of the MEG figured out), then in theory, would you not have a self-powering unit?

                        As far as neos are concerned, I'll offer just this one observation right now: I seem to remember someone on Youtube (might have been innovationstation) drawing out some high voltage sparks off a neo magnet attached to the secondary of a transformer. There was some talk subsequent to that about using magnets to quench the spark (like Tesla did), to gather the radiant energy from the discharge. I don't recall whether this would be cold electricity or not.

                        Bob

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                        • #13
                          Can anyone answer this simple question:
                          Driving direct current through a coil, an electromagnet is created from the iron core. Why is it then that we cannot wrap a permanent magnet with wire and get DC back out?

                          Cheers,

                          Ted

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ted Ewert View Post
                            Can anyone answer this simple question:
                            Driving direct current through a coil, an electromagnet is created from the iron core. Why is it then that we cannot wrap a permanent magnet with wire and get DC back out?
                            Cheers,
                            Ted
                            Because you need movement of the magnetic flux.
                            You need pulsing, pushing and/or pulling; which excited the electrons.

                            Thus: If you can make the magnet pulsing - oscilating
                            - then you can just wrap it with wire to get electricity.
                            i.e. Sweet Floyd motor and what MEG of Tom Bearden is hoping to do.

                            Because I had some success; the secret is not in the circuits or winding,
                            it is in the mineral compound of the magnet. Such magnet then forms the
                            core of your coil. And then you need to shake that flux so severely that
                            it will go on shaking for years; ping-pong-ping-pong resonant self oscillation.

                            It can be done, because it was already done!
                            Therefore we need to find NEW ways, NEW experiments and NEW lines of thoughts.

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                            • #15
                              I thought that Bearden said he (they) use a special material to do something that normal magnetic cores wont do. Can't remember the exact details as the DVD is not with me at the moment.

                              Has this material become known to everyone and is that why people are building MEG's?

                              Cheers,

                              Steve.
                              Last edited by dambit; 03-01-2009, 04:32 AM.
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                              http://www.youtube.com/SJohnM81

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