Was Tesla first inventor of TPU principle ?

[lighty]

Well, you really ought to look at Tesla's concept of particle accelerator and you will see that his concept use completely different approach from both technological as well as conceptual angle. That being said- I'm not saying that you're not entitled to your opinion it's just that scientific way of thinking require arguments. The more extraordinary claim, the more extraordinary proofs are needed.

[Electrotek]

I'm well aware of both of his concepts but neither of them has anything to do with TPU. Didn't you read what I wrote- I had an opportunity to test a version of TPU being made by Otto on overunity.com. It is NOT Tesla's wireless transmission (since it uses ground as a single wire conductor) and it is NOT particle accelerator concept. It does have some extremely interesting properties but it has nothing to do with Tesla.

How do you know what you tested was an authentic replication? You said it wasn't OU. Did it levitate or put out an rf burst?

[Electrotek]

Tunguska

Persistent legends on the Internet claim that something Tesla did was responsible for the Tunguska event. If combining frequencies in some way could have caused a 50 megaton blast, it's conceivable that something Tesla discovered is the basis for the TPU. But that doesn't mean that Stephen Mark knew about it.

[lighty]

Nope, but then again there isn't any valid proof that original TPU did it aside for a few youtube films. Sorry but for me it isn't valid proof at all. I can admit that subjectively it seems genuine to me but strictly scientificaly speaking it's not valid untill we're presented with independent measurements and analysis. Sorry, but that's the way things go in science, we can ***** and moan about it but that wouldn't change anything.

As for the replication made by Otto- ATM it's the closest to original TPU as it's presently understood. And yes at certain points it did put pretty strong RF bursts that were able to burn a lot of equipment in the vicinity. Also, the magnets put in the middle of the coils setup did behave particularly strange. But hey, it's not my project and one should really talk with Otto about his replica.

Tesla's particle beam weapon used high vacuum tube with one end open and it also used high speed gas flow to charge particles to high potentials. It's pretty much not simillar to any version of TPU is it?

[lighty]

Persistent legends on the Internet claim that something Tesla did was responsible for the Tunguska event. If combining frequencies in some way could have caused a 50 megaton blast, it's conceivable that something Tesla discovered is the basis for the TPU. But that doesn't mean that Stephen Mark knew about it.

Well, that's what they are- legends. After almost a century of research scientists are now pretty much sure it was a high altitude comet or meteorite explosion. Tesla is mystified to the point of absurd. Most of the people didn't read enough technical as well as biographical materials, didn't do their own historical research and didn't discuss it with the people who dedicated their entire lives to the research of Tesla's life. He was extraordinary man that's for sure, but he wasn't all knowing angel/alien/benevolent reptile/avatar/all of the other rubbish. He was a man with his faults, he was very vain, he was proven wrong on more than one account. So, not everything written by Tesla is to be taken at face value. Science did progress since his time and although it missed some of the Tesla's concept not all of them are valid or sound.

[Electrotek]

Tesla's particle beam weapon used high vacuum tube with one end open and it also used high speed gas flow to charge particles to high potentials. It's pretty much not simillar to any version of TPU is it?

Even without being a particle beam similitude, we still have a thread in which we can discuss the device. I wonder what could have accounted for the magnetic implosion? Also, it seems important that a wire in a magnetic field will put out a little EXTRA on the front of an impulse. This sounds like something Leedskalnin would come up with.

[Electrotek]

Back To Particles

Tunguska may have been a comet, an anti-matter meteor, or various other things. I heard a Russian scientist who said it could have been three Ball Lightnings coming together. Looks like differing rotational rates interacting with the active vacuum might release this level of energy.

The DoD has something similar, as a linear system. It's called an Auto Accelerator and uses a half wavelength passive waveguide section to slow the leading edge of a particle beam, while speeding up the trailing edge. As the faster ions sweep up the slower particles in front of them, the pulse is accelerated to roughly twice the starting energy, with the same current.

Who knows that Tesla's particle beam didn't employ a similar effect? There was more to it than just building it and hooking it up. It had to be developed.

With the TPU, faster electrons sweep up slower electrons, then the pulse accelerates to a higher voltage. Same thing. I'm not interested in developing it, but I am curious about the operative principle.

[amigo]

There are reasons for not using frequencies over 20-30kHz that I already wrote about (TPU is using 80-400kHz, a way too high for wireless transmission).

Hi lighty,

I must have missed that post where your wrote about it, could you please point me to it, or perhaps brief me in here as to why specifically 20-30KHz?

Thanks.

[jibbguy]

Since we are in the realm of "possible" here (or "highly improbable" lol), then to be clear about Tunguska it could not likely have been Tesla's particle beam (apparently developed at least 15 years later) that could have done it.

If Tesla was involved at all; it would likely have been by using longitudinal wave scalar interferometry (ala Beardon, whose claims for the technology would seem to indicate that such a huge blast could be made from it); presumably via Tesla's "wireless power transmission" system. The date of the event was June 30, 1908 . Wardenclyffe was there then, but supposedly not complete or operational.

The urban legends i have heard say that Tesla "made a test" that day... But there is no data i have seen to confirm that.

[Aromaz]

There are the normal - and then there are some not-so-normal.
There were Russian campers that saw lights / fireballs, but these were moving from NW to SE that moved form SE to NW. Disputed.

(EDIT: Campers I refer to are forst workers and nomads living in this area, there are also some reports form other more remote villages. Direction of fire balls dispute could also be due to location from where it was witessed.)

Then there is the Tesla option, as I have presented it very early in either Imhothep or my Radiant threads. Tesla was not only working in USA. During the same period he did in fact experimented and build a small tower in Canada - there were two occasions he visited this location - 1908 and another in 1920's).

Pardon me for not doing effort to get all the facts now, but I am sure you can follow this for directions in your own search. A more detailed description of that location is given form travel reports when he visited it the second time; it was near the East Coast of Hudson Bay soem 300km West from Quebec.

Now - and this is quite interesting; Use GOGGLE EARTH; from the location in Canada where Tesla did his experiments; draw a line to the North pole - measure the distance. Go on in straight line right accross the North pole and same distance into Russia. Now, look and see where you are.

You might not be 100% at the right spot - remember the magnetic N pole is moving and their might have been deviation because of air, magnetic pole and Gravity.

Coincidence is very strange?

[boguslaw]

"Oliver Nichelson suggested that the Tunguska explosion may have been the result of an experiment by Nikola Tesla using the Wardenclyffe Tower, performed during one of Robert Peary's North Pole expeditions"

It is known that Tesla was interested in that expedition, he wrote a comment article in 1905 about it.He could persuade public opinion to his wireless power by attempting to create artificial Auroras on North Pole.

[lighty]

@Electrotek
I agree that there should be thread about TPU, it's a rather interesting, highly non-linear device. Tesla have nothing to do with it however, that's why I reacted.


@Aromaz
What campers? With all due respect to your knowledge which is significant- do you have any idea how remote Tunguska is even today with helicopters available? And the conditions there are horrendous even for determined explorers. There were no campers at that time in Tunguska, just as there aren't any today.

As for the theory of Tesla causing Tunguska and your calculations. I was following your thread as well as the other thread dealing with it. There is nothing to substantiate those claims apart for a lot of conjecture. I mean more then once it was proven that human find can find pattern it wishes in almost anything you present it with so there is your coincidence. In this case geography is just a mean to follow a wishful thinking. Don't get me wrong, I love reading a kind of books dealing with alternative history as much as anybody else and my subjective part enjoys them immensely and I really, really, really wish it was so, but on the other side my rational part seeks arguments and hard evidence. So far nobody was able to reasonably connect Tesla with Tunguska. When I was trained to think scientifically one of the first thing that I was required to do was to ask for objective arguments and evidences.

@boguslaw
Tesla was interested in almost anything scientific. As for the Wardenclyffe tower used for Tunguska explosion don't you find it curious that Tesla, who was always eager to brag about his achievements, never mentioned his involvement? Not even a hint of it? Also, Wardneclyffe tower was never fully operational. I can find a number of articles with unsubstantiated claims like this one about how Wardenclyffe tower was used to contact aliens. There was also an article about opening of time portal. Oh, and let's not forget articles about Wardenclyffe tower being a huge parallel universes passage.



@All

I really try not to offend anybody but what some of you are saying is not science, not even alternative science, it's but a wishfull thinking based on far fetched conjectures. Sorry, but that's not what Tesla was all about, he was a man of science.

[lighty]

Hi lighty,

I must have missed that post where your wrote about it, could you please point me to it, or perhaps brief me in here as to why specifically 20-30KHz?

Thanks.

I was referring to Tesla's principles as described by him at the trial and also to the findings of the Strebkov, Zaev and Avramenko. In a nutshell, in order to "inject" signal into the ground one has to design the system in such a way that current node is moved into the grounding part of the system. One can use elevated capacity in order to manipulate positions of current nodes in the system (basic Tesla coil theory). The thing is that one must observe that energy don't get converted to EM waves and dissipated into the surrounding medium from the parts of the system above the ground. Now, up to frequencies of 40kHz by properly constucting large coils one can reduce EM emissions into the surrounding media. The higher the frequency, the more energy get wasted and emitted into the surrounding area in the form of EM waves- in a sense you will produce powerfull Hertzian waves which are useless for energy transmission since they dissipate quickly. One's goal is to inject all of the energy into the grounding and then by using simillar resonant system at the receiving end one can get single wire transmission by using ground as a conductor.

This is a simplified version of course but I strongly suggest that you find anything you can on the net on the works of Russians in this regard. They produced feasible system capable of doing just what Tesla described.

Hope this helps.

[jibbguy]

i cant speak for anyone else, but in regards to this Tesla stuff, i think sometimes we are like guys hanging out at the pub just "chewing the fat", sharing stories about our interests and hobby, not being very "scientific". It is harmless, no? And perhaps a little therapeutical. If these stories get others to study Tesla's work; at least they will learn something real too

Regarding the scalar interferometry, if you study what is reported about it, one wave by itself is "harmless" and does not generate any power or event (thus the "interferometry" term). It takes the intersection of 2 or more radiated waves to do anything: "Somehow" (...this is the part that always throws me), this interaction "mix" or heterodyning can generate many types of weird phenomena. Looking at Beardon's slides it sounds "plausible" but there must be another unmentioned factor involved imo (which would possibly lead to longitudinal "standing wave" theory). Actually, this is a very good thing lol: If true at all, it is not something we want to try at home

And all this leads to "HAARP", which many believe is a scalar interferometer device.

[Stealth]

This is very interesting about trying to tie Tesla with the Tunguska explosion.
The last scientific expedition I saw was trying to determine the exact cause of the explosion. There was nothing proved conclusively, but they determined that a very good indication that caused the explosion was a comet. They were there years after the explosion, so they could have missed something. Judging from the butterfly pattern left in the way the trees were laid over on the outskirts, they determined it could have only been a comet coming in from a certain direction and expoding miles above the earth in our atmosphere. An exterresterial object was the only thing that met their criteria.