Free Energy and Grass Roots Activism

[SL3]

Energy Secretary

Hey guys. Interesting reading. Thanks Jib.

You know, I was watching Energy Secretary Chu tonight speaking on CSPAN at a small cities conference. Nice to have a sincere nerd rather than politician up there! I liked your earlier Free Energy conference idea. The thing with forums is that, once they're more secular, all you get are these trolls wasting our time. Moderators and users wind up arguing with blogger hacks on the payroll of energy companies, etc. Here, you're all devotees. We're like nerdy Trekkies. You don't send skeptics and mockers into a Trekkie gathering; for it's pointless! Facebook and these other blog outlets are a good way of spreading the word. YouTube, especially.

Have you ever thought of mixing a Free Energy conference with the annual EV gatherings? Check out the Electric Vehicle Association and their forums. They have a newsletter, too. SF Bay Area conferences at times. I would love to attend one down the road.

The places we really need to lobby are the eggheads at DARPA, DoE, and DoD/SBIR (also NASA's SBIR).

SBIR - Small Business Innovation Research

Free Energy technology should focus on making appearances -- even if uninvited -- at places like this. Set up your tables. You can always set up a conference table for some hokey pokey device on the surface (to get past any filters) and then pull out your wild machines right there! Thing to be careful about is entering into any contracts with the feds for piddley money and which gives them technology suppression rights on behalf of competitor interests. DoD needs these technologies, too. But, before you ever position to sell them anything, it's always best to make it totally impossible for them to steal from or cheat you.

For example, most inventors think of patents right away, but that's stupid to do at the start. All you're doing is feeding foreign spies at USPTO details on how to build your devices faster than you can commercialize them. Then, on anything Energy-related, you're looking at about an 80% chance Armed Services Patent Advisory Board will try to stuff you with a bogus secrecy order on behalf of the energy cartels or for just keeping it Defense secret. And so they take your work while paying you nothing and ...maybe a decade later, if you can prove damages and find a lawyer to work the case...maybe you'll see b.s. compensation. So, I don't bother with any form of focus on doing business with the federal government. I wouldn't even bother with their conferences until your technology is well spread into more places than can ever be squashed and once you've briefed many key politicians and business interests. Then, the pressure is on them not ever to screw with you or they face Congressional inquiry and loss of their jobs, demotion, firing, public scandal, etc. That's the GS twit's greatest nightmare. Don't assault the castle until first positioned to conquer it. Like that, you can be polite and, when they offer you piddley funding, tell them to go to Hell. But, just keep showing your wares at their conferences and everyone else's conferences.

My view is that Free Energy talk, blogging, and activism doesn't sell the goods like demonstration does. Demonstrate the powerplants. Demonstrate levitation. Show up to conferences in stupid-looking Trekkie costume rather than a suit. Scatter all sorts of Star Wars and Star Trek props at your table along with the "controversial" products, and all these skeptical eggheads won't be so intellectually threatened by your work. Remember, half the issue with rejection of Free Energy concepts is mostly from nerd ego and know-it-all factor coupled with lack of demonstration and proper presentation.

Make videos of your stuff and get it to this new Energy Secretary in full bypass of his staffers. For example, had you known in advance he'd be doing this small cities conference, you could have pulled upon a key contact there to hand him a DVD while quickly playing a 5 minute video for him on a cell phone PDA. Five minute demonstrations and explanation, and no more. If they want more detail, then you send them an executive summary no more than a few pages -- preferably all just video so they don't have to read. I don't do white papers for anyone free, particularly government. And nobody cares to read much anyhow. People want to be dazzled. So show them the wild stuff! Have you seen The New Energy Series? That's real activism!

All this forum stuff is great for our exchange of techo details and ideas, but, for the average Joe out there, they prefer YouTube sort of things. Facebook and Myspace will help you get the word out, but you'll also find that these places tend to be mostly an exercise in on-line vanity pages and voyeurism. YouTube and video are the wave of the future. All the more likely to grow in popularity as this new administration foolishly tries to stealth re-institute the Fairness Doctrine in squashing of talk radio and leverage of Fox News. There is Demand for truth and real news, and so Supply adjusts.

Whole problem with all this Free Energy stuff is that, outside of a few goofy ads you see in the back of Popular Mechanics, nobody pays any attention to such things. It is only from YouTube and research suggestion by others that I began to give Tesla's work a second look and to study up on Free Energy concepts. Seeing is believing. Had I been confined to the world of scattered websites, dreary text, and not able to see how a whole world of experimenters out there are having fun playing with this stuff....I'd have dismissed it just like the eggheads in Govt. do.

This new energy secretary is serious on the greenie thing. He's smart. He understands the value of what he calls "transformative science". He's not a politician. If you're going to lobby anyone, I'd suggest there and with just polite petition and continual mailing of videos. Swamp him with stuff, and always in bypass of his secretaries. Make it so that, wherever he goes, it's like receiving a subpoena by surprise until he's sick of hearing about Free Energy. But, if he's a real nerd....he'll like this stuff. Keep in mind, also, that he grew up with Star Trek nerd stuff. I was looking at his picture he put up of himself at age 32 at the conference....and that, gentlemen, looked to me like a Star Trek / Star Wars nerd!!! He was even posting Earth from the Moon pictures in his presentation in order to sell his greenie ideas on climate change, so, as I was saying....sell the Starship Enterprise angle to this stuff at all times!

[SL3]

part 2

Remember, the greenies are easy to convert to this stuff. They've been yapping about it for decades. And there is a corrupt element among the Left which has sold out. But, the real Lefty loves this stuff while the Conservative hates it. They lock up in prejudice like Archie Bunker. You have to crack open their minds and nullify their will to fight through the spaceflight vision more so than any of this unsexy energy efficiency and greenie jive. I talk about this stuff with some of the most meanie Conservatives and they are so hateful of greenie commie things. But, nobody hates Captain Kirk. You could sell this stuff to Gee Dubya and his whole gaggle with ease...if only we played the aerospace angle rather than "Save Mother Earth" stuff. The greenie thing is a total waste of time; for, by 2036, if we can't move a space rock....we're all pretty screwed! The whole climate....all flushed down the toilet if that rock hits.

Sell it like that and you have no enemies on the Left or Right is all I'm saying. Just a different angle to saving the world, you might say. Never renewing an attack upon previously failed lines. Always by the indirect course; Always with a focus upon leaving the enemy dignified and reasonable avenues of retreat that lead to his further ambush and complete surrender.

The vision has to be all the more powerful; for, with politics the way it is and increasing division with each day -- likely to go really ugly all the more -- for us to even appear the least bit greenie instantly has my Conservative side of things throwing up the shields. Total shutdown of willingness to hear what we're saying. Only recently did Mr. Pickens pull out this new line of attack on Foreign Oil Dependence and Transfer of Wealth at the right time with all this war.

See how Mr. Pickens doesn't focus on the greenie issues much? All just business and common sense; Continual business and political maneuvers. And you can see that his plan is now a key part of this new energy secretary's plans. And you can bet the President's plans are going to be pretty much whatever his secretary decides best. There are a lot of greenie critics of the Pickens Plan. Some say it's all a sham to transfer water from central states to Texas while making him more billions. I could care less.

If you study his plan in more detail, he's been proposing a sort of holistic approach -- more natural gas, wind, solar, EV's, many things part of the total pie. If it was all just about his own business interests, he'd be pushing his own interests much more. He believes in what he's doing. It's a good plan unleashed with just the right timing. Efficacy and impact well carried through. No protests in the streets. Just petitions, political pressures, grassroots activism like you're proposing, etc. But, mostly, he gave the country a powerful vision that was reasonable, had no enemies (at least none willing to oppose it openly or they'd seem like unpatriotic traitors), at all the right time, and by a NEW angle of attack that was overwhelming in momentum and unleashed suddenly with surprise. These politicians are really all talk and had no plan. He gave them a realistic plan to integrate with their own designs and that of others. Something flexible, not radical and extreme. Domination of general areas in the fight, not specifics. And he hit with pincer motions of natural gas, coal, wind power, solar, etc....all under the unified front of "Energy Independence".

...Anyhow, all I'm saying is, if we wish for Free Energy to rise to similar heights of global use, we need to consider the efficacy between Al Gore's greenie push and things like the Pickens Plan. In the larger picture, they are two prongs of the same help the planet agenda. But, two prongs and more were key to winning. And you can't stick Al Gore with the mission of converting Republicans and Conservatives whereas someone like Mr. Pickens easily wins support of anyone. The whole thing, in fact, he has argued from a business perspective mixed with more subtle "activism" I don't know from whom he has studied, but his overall style tells you he's versed in the more effective doctrines of politics, business and war, either formally or among overall experience. His plan was clearly more than just the Pickens Plan and was executed with sufficient audacity and genius that I think history will record it as a textbook classic on political and business strategy.

Strategic planning, methodic execution, and motion that is always flexible and overwhelming is the way we win here. The enemy's will to fight must always be squashed before and during all operations. That's the difference between Gore and Pickens. Pickens unified Left and Right masterfully. Al Gore's style only divides Left and Right, as does most greenie activism. As Obama would say, "We are not as divided as our politics suggests." Pickens moved in Aikido fashion for the center of the circle; hitting at the fulcrum positions and using the enemy's energy rather than his own. Greenie activism is mostly... In fact, you will find that some of the big names in Free Energy science are not really greenie at all, but just exceptional scientists intrigued by the total possibilities and goodness of what we do.

Arguing for less dependence on foreign oil, being willing to work with existing energy and oil cartels as reasonable people, and understanding that our Free Energy concepts are always a threat to competition....that's how to do it. The last part of our being a threat to the energy rackets....that's the toughest nut to crack, but Pickens Plan was the same. Where kept reasonable and even empowering greater commercial profits....nobody hates that. Business is business and always just money and banking. Doesn't matter what forms of business they are so long as the cow is well milked. Give them that and you have the enemies of Free Energy with no will to fight.

[jibbguy]

Use the Patent Reform angle?

Thx, Ash.. You da man in my book m8

And thx for the comments, SL3 .

As da man will tell us, inventors are usually their own worst enemy

One way to help along our cause may be to lobby for new patent laws. From what i have been able to see there may be some support for it in Congress, but how these laws end up getting changed at the end of the process is the problem: Sometimes these reform measures take off in one direction then get changed so much they become unrecognizable, and are of little help. Election campaign funding reform is a great example of this.

Imo, such reform of the Patent Office must address "Secretization". A Congressional panel needs be be created for Oversight; to insure the ones being secretized really deserve it, and that some fat cat elitist corporate barons are not using that as a tool by paying-off the military people who watch over the Patent office (ever hear of a Air Force General NOT getting a fat job in the corporate world/military-industrial complex when he retired??).... Who ever these people are behind the curtain, they should not be making decisions that could affect our entire planet and future! ... And with no outside oversight at all.

Any really dangerous new technologies that could be weapons should still be secretized of course, but for a set time and not "forever" (20 years maybe) and just having more & varied peeps in the decision process should keep it more honest... As well as knowing there is an eventual date for public release. If Congresspeople can be trusted to be briefed on nuclear weapon dispositions (and they are) and dozens of other sensitive items, they can be trusted with reviewing new energy technologies and insuring the Patent Office is not being used to suppress technologies... And withholding them from the Public for reasons that have nothing to do with National Security.

Using the tactic of targeting a peripheral subject to gain awareness for the main cause can be effective... Just getting Patent Office Reform brought up in Congress for debate could help gain general credibility for the F-E technologies that are being ignored and suppressed:

Because if these technologies were not valid... Why bother blacking them out?

[SL3]

Patents

Hi Jib.

Sorry to keep unusually terse, but I really need to get about my day and get some stuff done.

We do have sort of a bypass of ASPAB in that they all answer to the Commerce Department secretary who also oversees the Bureau of Industrial Security (Export Control). And the Commerce Sec. answers to Congress & Senate ultimately. To me, I see the whole patent process as a useful thing, but mostly a fly trap for FE tech. They're institutionally hostile to "perpetual motion" things in the same manner they were to useless "flying contraptions" once. Institutional idiocy, corruption, and corruption of vision, mostly. By changing language and claims, many FE patents have been able to go through -- Bedini, Bearden, Patterson Power Cell, etc. It seems the mass of experimentation and collective invention is overwhelming their ability to blockade the truth, and so you just give up and let the patents through because they aren't well commercialized anyhow.

I think, if you take care of the commercial angles first; Then line up the public and politicians in support while keeping things trade secret and not even bothering with patents (just initial patent filing)....then, any secrecy order is pointless. Only export control is an issue and can be reasonably negotiated.

For example, I'm working on a generator now capable of upscale in many forms to Megawatt levels and cheaply. However, it encounters the typical barriers. Been working on commercial strategy to make it so, even if an oil company, you'd seriously want to invest in the technology -- at least so you could produce power cheaply, help with Energy Independence, and then meter that power to the grid. That's the best way. Going full bore "Free power for the masses!!"....ooh, that's too radical and threatening to the J.P. Morgans , but telling him he can produce power more cheaply....that's possible.

Energy tech -- particularly where I make it small, high powered, and capable of pushing EV's or unmanned aircraft globally, non-stop, and for years on end....this automatically runs into export control issues. And so, it is easier for me to just not export at all. To just focus on a trustable U.S. client base -- defense contractors, etc. Give defense intelligence some heads upon the technology which will proliferate in the world and is proliferating no matter what they do to slow it. Key politicians briefed concurrently. Bad economic times and people salivating for improvement. All good factors of push.

Strongest negative? That presumes people in the world with true power over the geopolitics actually want to see America improved economically and independent of offshore oil. It presumes politicians actually serve the country, not themselves. It presumes some of the people at the top are just plain nuts, evil, and hellbent on global depopulation and America's destruction in their own insane delusions. There is that nutjob element. At the same time, these politicians often want to be our gods. As such, they wish to be loved. They wish to be great. Their egos can only rise to mediocre heights when they're all so full of s#%t, and so they must give real hope and change in order to become great figures in history. I believe in that vanity to the politicians most of all. So, what often seems to be a negative and great barrier to our cause can also become opportunity and barrier defeated where played right.

Perpetually showcasing our wild technologies -- energy production and particularly in levitation....this is the key. Seeing is believing. Talk is cheap. No skeptic or oil company paid blogger can fight for long the momentum of wild magic shows. Tesla was a master of that entertainment understanding, as was Leedskalnin. Entertainment fashionably carries things. As you can see going on in our country, fashion tends to rule the politics.

Well....gotta run....so much for being terse!

[SL3]

Typos.

Hmm...For some reason I couldn't correct my typos after posting, so here:

1) Give defense intelligence some heads-up on the technology which will proliferate in the world and is proliferating no matter what they do to slow it.

2) It presumes some of the people at the top are not just plain nuts, evil, and hellbent on global depopulation and America's destruction in their own insane delusions.

[jibbguy]

Good thoughts, SL3, i agree with some of your premises there.

Regarding patenting, until it is changed with the suggested oversight, it is NOT the way to go with F-E devices, that should be pretty clear to most now. The Open Source model is one avenue, or "copyright" is another. Open Source is obviously our first choice here

Regarding governments and those really at the top of the food chain... Are there huge cabals and conspiracies such as the "New World Order"? I have found in life nothing is black and white, it all comes in 256 shades of gray. And there is something else: If enough people with power mis-use that power for their own personal gain, even though they do it mostly "independently" (in that there is no grand conspiracy behind ALL of it per se but as co-criminals they cover each other's behinds for mutual protection), the results can be exactly the same as if there really was a conspiracy

We can just go ahead and assume we are not gonna get any converts to the cause from those in power The idea is to make them uncomfortable enough, that change is more comfortable. Constant and growing pressure from new inventions and devices finally making it to market, plus growing awareness of the older. previously suppressed and ignored technologies, along with Grass Roots activism to help increase this awareness and let them know more and more people are "getting wise to their tricks"... Will add to their discomfort level.

But who is the real "enemy' here?

International Banking? I have spent several months in a behind-the-scenes attempt to get some of the whistle-blowers on the World Bank / International Monetary Fund (IMF) to come forward with proof that WB/IMF writes secret "riders" into the loans to developing countries that forbid them from embracing technologies that would seriously compete with coal and oil. These courageous and well-publicized whistle-blowers (there are at least 6 of them in the last 5 years) have testified that the IMF and World Bank allows widespread corruption to go on with the leaders of the Third World countries they loan cash to, and even promote the graft. I am hoping one of these people will provide proof that the anti-alternative energy loan terms exist (...as was testified to by Daniel Dingel in a video where he claimed former President Corazon Aquino of the Philippines told him that directly as the reason she could not fund his work). Already, i have evidence that there are indeed some secret terms that the people of these countries who have to pay them back never hear about. Should i ever get the corroborating proof i seek, i will push it hard, using means i have not used yet to try and get it reported by the international press, if not the U.S. MSM.

Oil and Coal Cartels/Corporations? Here is an interesting angle: If the mainstream media would ever start asking the right questions... The lid could be blown off of these people's illegal operations. There is much evidence that last years' fuel price jumps were completely manipulated and controlled... And in violation of several Anti-Trust monopoly laws, and SEC statutes on insider trading as well. The proofs are mostly circumstantial yet many: Enough for an serious investigation. Sea-change trading on the commodities market, carefully timed and led by major banks with vast interests in the oil companies themselves (...many of their Board Members being tied-in as being on both Boards), triggering mass "computer buys" by the smaller fish who followed their lead. This explains the giant rises in consumer price. For these huge hikes, there was no significant change in supply or demand, or even the lame excuses they used before like "our refinery blew up". It was planned, coordinated, and carried out by the oil corps and their friends/partners the international banks. And it cost consumers all over the world Trillions.. Not only in prices but in lay-offs and a general slump in business. This is BY DEFINITION "Insider Trading", and quite illegal.

If the people knew this was going on: Would they allow these nameless and un-elected predators to have such power over our Society?

[SL3]

Nothing to say anymore. Part 1

Hi Jib,

Well, partly because I am tired and need to move along to see if I have not replied to another thread, I really have nothing further to add. You've pretty much covered a sound explanation of the conspiracy going on.

I believe in the patent process at the right timing, but also variable release of things and over time. As inventors, we make many things in a lifetime. Some you commercialize. Some you give away. I have things to give a way. Things I need to keep for awhile as my own bread & butter. Once you patent something -- say a house-powering unit or one for EV cars and aircraft -- if you have the commercial areas lined up already, there's no reason experimenters in the world cannot replicate your device (Because an honest patent fully enables anyone in the world to do that. A real patent is, by law, supposed to be Open Source. It just gives you registry rights regarding commercialization and various legal enforcement options.) Where there are patents that fail to well commercialize or which were stifled, they are still in the open and neglected. There is nothing stopping each of us from replicating Tesla's patents or commercializing them to this day.

There is media propaganda and blackout, but even that is fading where technology is well demonstrated and publicized. I just believe in the magic show more so than protesting. To protest is to be against something, usually. It antagonizes and causes the enemy to entrench. When you demonstrate and empower while enabling profit and even taking care not to damage oil and coil industries by asking for too much of their pie...and even sharing with them the parts of their pie you take...it's all money multiplied. I believe that conspiracy rules the world more so than oil, coal, or various agendas. There are some really great things out there.

For example, have you seen a working Perendev magnetic motor yet? Here, check this out.

YouTube - Perendev magnetic motor

Most the experimenters in here are fiddling around with electrics (I guess because we're all so used to such things), but I keep saying magnetism is the wave of the future!

When you demonstrate with just simple YouTube videos like this...in the media, in the classrooms, in kits built and sold, in experimenter projects made in off-grid power and fun playing around....pretty soon your neighbors say, "I want one. Way too cool!" Pretty soon it becomes a little business. Pretty soon everyone is making them regardless of patent issues.

If this is the first time you've seen the motor in action, feel your awe and excitment. Feel all your experimenter itchy streak boiling to the surface. The lightbulb in the head starting to ignite. Shared information is power, too -- as Bill Gates understood. Anyhow, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar is all I'm saying. Share information, not scream it. Dazzle, not demand. Share profit, not demand no profit. Leave the enemy an avenue of retreat as you advance and a dignified surrender, and the fight belongs to you is all I'm saying. There are hostile skeptics out there -- many on the payroll of seedy places. Then, there are the real scientists in the world. Most tend to be conservative or eggheads in their own little world. Same for business folks. They hear talk of Free Energy and it is laughed off with the same mockery as all this UFO talk because we radicals tend to inhabit the same nest. It is not until you get that very same egghead touring a Free Energy convention -- even as a skeptic -- and he has time to study motors like this and their principles of operation that you make a convert.

There are people at the highest levels of this country and in other nations who know about all these things. It is not as if Defense intelligence doesn't know and isn't working on even greater things. But, the last of the good guys are hamstrung by the very same world of corruption that you see. And they're more chicken to speak out because more controls are placed over them than the citizen. Visibility and entertainment are things to do.

If you sent me an email that this group would be meeting to march on Washington to demand whatever, I'd mostly stay home and do other things.
However, if you tell me there's a 1 week conference in San Francisco or Los Angeles. Presentations. Booths with devices on display. Venture capitalists touring. Media. A big, fun, nerd party....almost like a crazy Trekkie convention....I'd get my own goodies ready as fast as possible and want to play, too. I could even show up in an electric car almost capable of driving thousands upon thousands of miles without ever needing fuel or a plug-in. Almost. And that feat is entirely within the capacity of others on this forum to do, too. I can be whacked, but The Oilies and Coalies can never stop our conspiracy!

If you want to drive an electric car from there to go media tour the country and protest with the greenies wherever you like...that's okay by me. I'm just not into that stuff. I'm a schmoozer. I'm a lover, not a fighter. I'm too ugly-tempered to be a protestor. I can only tell you, as a Conservative, what nullifies the anti-greenie/ anti-commie hatred in me. It is the power of the truth and wild technical visions we mutually share that has me bypass that prejudice and also understand the sincere Left a lot more. F-E doesn't need greenie converts. You need Conservative converts. The Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, O'Reilly, and Glenn Beck audience....that's where you need to take the fight.

I say we gather a compilation of what we can do and send them to each of them. Get Fox News behind the F-E push. With that angle conquered, you already have the sincere Left. It'll put more pressure on the higher ups to at least give these things more of a token effort and later stab in the back. But, we just stab them in the back the whole time, too. Man, I hate to use the phrase....it makes me want to vomit, but I'm just saying maybe we could focus upon "raising awareness" with honey, not vinegar?

...I'm gonna back off on the exchange, though, in order not to dominate the thread and leave others to participate. You know where to find me when you're ready to conference! I'm in the mood to show my stuff (almost) and to see what others are doing. Collectively, we multiply each other's powers and capacities. We need to unionize in some form, basically. An international association. I'd love to attend a conference while some of the big names in this field are still alive. Beaden and so many others.

One of the biggest issues we all face is funding. It takes bigger money to do bigger and more wild things. Not a whole lot if you do it right, but parts get expensive. Positioning things is key before you even start any form of business.

At this end, all I can contribute is a vision of electrical power production in the kilowatt to megawatt class -- small scale to large. Cheap. Entirely possible. It takes more money than my little lab has. How much? Oh, it depends what people want to do. I don't have the health to be running a company or an upstart. I'm looking to mostly finish my work, lease it to partners to generate ample profit from, keep my 5%, and let the world do with it as they please. If nothing big comes of it, I can still build my rigs one by one and sell them to people like you, your friends, family, etc. My patent would teach you how to build it on your own, and you could probably even build better, but my little shop or anything I can piece together with partners would try to give you a better quality unit ready to buy and use.

Much more work to do before taking anyone's money on anything, though. I do look forward to meeting many of you sometime at a big convention where we can tour each other's work. Network. Out here, all I need is take my things to one sponsor with deep enough pockets and a common vision. I leave 95% of the business profit (not IP control. So it cannot be suppressed) open to angel investors and all that. For each of us serious on making real "change", the best way we can change the F-E situation is to improve the business of it while not trashing the whole experimenter culture.

[SL3]

Part 2

What I see is that our F-E world is ripe for a new kind of Bill Gates and MicroSoft. We are all like those early day's computer geeks playing in their garages. Back then, it was just IBM. Nobody believed computers would be in everyone's home, and yet that was the radical vision pursued since the days of George Jetson cartoons. My first PC was my dad's Livermore Lab terminal that did BASIC on the side. Then, a Mac 128k and IBM 8088. That was flying to me! Wild new stuff. Earth shattering. Then, I had a 286. I gutted that and built my first 486 DX2-50 with a whopping 20MB RAM and that was my engineering beast through college. AutoCAD, FEA software. All the hard stuff made easy. Like many of you, I grew up in the world of pre-DOS and even slide rules. I actually draft by hand at times compared to these youngsters. A few, technology, and some business can truly change the world despite all the competitor industry that works against it. But, the need and Demand have to be there. And then you have to rapidly meet that with Supply. You have to move for as much monopoly and consolidation of things as you can acquire in order to grow into a Microsoft monster. The Netscape and Linux crybabies snivel, but, in the end, we're all stuck with and also empowered by Windows.

Anyhow, I've got more ideas for new things here always brewing. Each time I study new things and in here, I invent something new now and again. A whole new product direction still fuzzy and needing further exploration. I have passed you all some things. Levitation thoughts. The Perendev motor. Leedskalnin PHM. Tesla coils. Aerials. Not much, but just some tidbits. I hold back a little, for now. Not to be secretive, but only because full unveiling is not the time. I don't even have all the equipment, materials, or funds here I need to chase those matters. Too many directions possible to go with this whole F-E world. I like to stick to to established courses while scratching on new things. I am hoping that, by the time I have my own stuff ready for display at a F-E convention, that maybe some ideas I post to this forum will be further worked upon where I could not. Probably many of you will invent things, teach me plenty more, and build other devices and understandings useful to later integrate in.

I think we also need to centralize around a few general F-E strategic directions, rather than all this scattered technical pursuit. We have many interesting technologies under exploration, but sticking to a mission trims out the non-essential and inefficient things at least near-term.

Three ambitions I think we should chase:

1) Un-tethered levitation at all times.
2) Materials fusion.

...These first two are more obscure to most F-E inventors. It's a domain of madness!

3) Fuel-less heating and cooling of residences and industry.

4) Ultra-long duration vehicle development (EV's and UAV's) centralized around two ambitions:

a) Oodles of electrical power.
b) High horsepower electric motors.

Automobile-wise, non-stop driving coast to coast should be the objective for years on end with the demonstration EV.

Aircraft-wise, at least 4 global circumnavigations by manned aircraft; At least one year aloft for a UAV.

That may sound radical and overly ambitious, but it is not. It is what I work upon slowly. It is what all of you teamed together on this forum can do.

I don't even measure my car or aircraft ambitions in terms of miles per gallon or miles per charge. That doesn't even compute into the design issues. I don't speak the language. If you find me serious partners who want to back and build that into reality, I'd prefer to do business with hard-core greenies rather than leftwing sellouts and corrupt Conservatives. Working on it. Chances are, by the time you're ready to protest while tooting around in your EV, I can give you something to power that EV for years on end. It just costs me more money than I have to build such units and to properly build the commerce for them so that it can be something real the world can buy.

..May sound wild, but I didn't grow up dreaming of pushing greenie cars across the country. Woo hoo. Nor did I dream of building some propeller aircraft to fly around the globe a couple times. Woo hoo hoo. You'll see me pounding my chest with much the ego when we get 5 ton stones hovering in the air, but, until then, this stuff is 100 years overdue for demonstration and less talk. Let's DO it!

You want a war? I'll give you the toys. We have to build them first. Only beef I have is that my generators must never be demonstrated in some Prius wuss mobile or f'n over-rated golf cart. I just don't care for marching and screaming in the streets when I'd much rather gather the people to help make things into reality and also commerce.

In fact, we should do it as maybe even a contest among the EV community. A cross-country race! See who can go the farthest and the fastest! I am designing to push a Tesla Roadster and things like that at top speed non-stop and to run that thing for years on end without ever plugging in. And I have an aircraft and engines in mind for putting on a twin prop to do the four global circumnavigation mission. A lot is still fuzzy in the head, but not at all impossible.

...You find me people to back that and help out, and we'll do it. Probably you're more plugged into the Left and able to get along with them than me. The business end is trivial to me. I don't cheat people. They can toss me some peanuts only after the technology is demonstrated. Just 5% of gross is my lab standard cut. And I've got multiple product lines to broker. I'm not about money here. Just greedy because I do these things to allow me the retired life so that I may just keep tinkering while also funding my medical charity interests in the world. Building small clinics abroad where real Medicine is practiced rather than all this modern b.s., etc.

I have physician buddies out there delivering medicine and treatment to some of the poorest of the poor and often in hostile and corrupt places which prefer their own people to just die as slaves. I'd like to see our electrical gear providing more civilization in places like that -- pumping clean water, powering small hospitals, warding off filth, etc. Filth in the Third World which is also essential to eradicate in getting a handle on at least naturally evolving plagues. Here, in the first world, people die of the decadent diseases: Cancer, Diabetes, Artery issues. Abroad, they die from diseases of filth. All the old plagues are still alive, and they evolve and mutate yearly while our corrupt medical system can't handle it.

I don't know about these other dudes and evil cowards hiding in the dark, but the conspiracy I'm all about is the continued building of global civilization and population to wild new heights. NASA dreams of Mars a couple decades away. I say we can do that and more far sooner. Not only do I intend to make 5 ton stones hover near term, but I intend for us to move that asteroid by 2036 and, if mankind can do that (which is a challenging feat)....there's no reason we cannot aim for exploration beyond this solar system in our lifetimes. That's real hope and change, and it is what is entirely possible. In either case, you're going to need my generators and others by the time that big space rock hits earth. When you look at it in that perspective, the whole "Climate Change" thing is futile. The quest to dominate the globe in commerce or national might....it's all a joke. We're headed to only calamity, but man is very tenacious and I know we will survive.

Have a great weekend and thanks for the interesting exchange!

[SL3]

..Darn, can't correct my typos again. Four things we should chase, not three. Whoops.

[Matthew Jones]

The "Alternative Green Energy Movement", (IE people who are activist for sustanable energy, ect...) is probably going to be the greatest hurdle in trying to get FE's out there. Or at least the idea of them.

I have been flat out cussed out by these type people more than once. For some reason they are bent on practicing the "symetrical lie." For the most part they refuse to accept any notion that an FE is acheavable or that they exist. And they get angry and insulting about it. And they get this way at a drop of a hat.
From peace lovin hippy to tasmanian devil with no middle ground.

I bring this up only to point out we probably will find that the greatest amount of resistance come from small individuals who refuse to beleive rather that some High Cabal. After all look at how the enviromental movement is swaying thing today. All the buisness's are coming around with product that fit into their thinking.

If you don't beleive me set up somthing small and take it to a rally or a meeting of somekind with these people. Take some litrature or somthing and watch the response you get from the people who are running the thing.



Matt

[jibbguy]

Carriage Barns and Buggy Whips

Great point Matthew.

This is human nature i think. Everyone has their pet projects or in this case pet causes. Those who work in the genre of "acceptable" (mainstream) alternative energy (wind, solar, solar-thermal, geothermal, bio fuels, and others), and especially those who make a living from it, are not likely to be instant supporters of the controversial alternative energy technologies that we term "Free Energy"... Until we explain some things to them first

Imo these techs are out there and unimpeded because of one thing, and one thing only: They are all several times less cost-efficient than oil. Sure, sunshine is free and so is the wind. But when it takes upwards of $45,000 to properly go off-grid with them... And the long term upkeep and maintenance of such a system is sky-high as well... Only a few can afford them.

As Ash pointed out very well recently in his great Panacea Farm video; The Bedini battery conditioner/charger system using radiant pulses is a great boon for this (since batts are the main issue & bugaboo with traditional off-grid systems).

We should point out to the "traditional" Alternative Energy peeps at every opportunity that this excellent and viable charging technology now quietly easing its way into the mainstream is a direct offshoot of "Free Energy" experimentation and study. Thanks to John Bedini and others (such as ~-Imhotep-~), we have a possible window to gain greater credibility and awareness with the general public.... Should we use the opportunity properly.

The mainstream "Alternative" and "Free" energy peeps are really allies in the attempt to do away with coal and oil as fuels. So we should work together. We need to take the time to talk to these individuals when we come across them, and let them know we are travelers on the same road, not competitors. They know important things that we will need to learn (gained from hard-won experience doing installations): And visa-versa.

I would also point out to them that those who work in the current alternative energy industry will be able to easily and quickly capitalize on Free Energy technologies when they finally hit the marketplace... As they have the necessary framework for distribution, installation, and support already in place... They will be in the cat-bird's seat to "get it done" and start doing home installations faster than anyone else. So although they may be leery at discussing having their current "rice-bowl" turned into a "buggy whip".... They should understand that converting their business from a "carriage and horse barn" into a "garage and auto dealership" made many peeps in the early 20th Century very rich.

And there is little doubt that when Free Energy devices finally hit the market openly... There will be a bonanza gold rush in business! And all of us here who already know about this stuff will be in positions to start making money from it quicker than others... Profiting in the best possible way: While helping the Planet and all our futures greatly.

We are not communists, lol: We want REAL, FREE Enterprise, and the opportunity to see these things on the market. We can do the rest ourselves

[SL3]

Reds and Pinkos everywhere you look.

Communists!!! You're all communists, I say!!!

Of course with Capitalism ruling the world as it does, who needs enemies!

Matt is right. Some EV twit out here heard from a buddy that I am building an over-unity device and he called me a bunch of vulgar names. My pal wouldn't even repeat the words to me as a gentleman. Stinkin' greenie fascists! Communists, I tell you. All communists!

Speaking of activism for F-E technologies, we're cheaper to acquire and capable of higher performance. I was telling a windmill company exec a couple months back that the whole problem with wind and solar is the price. Even with Calif. rebates, it's still a joke. Why should I pay $150 to $200/mos financing to save $100/mos on power bills? Hah! I piss on your greenie trees, not hug them. Makes no sense for a humble farmer like me to do such a switch. However, if you were buying into a pre-built system where that cost was tacked to the mortgage -- particularly at 40 year fixed terms..then it works out okay. If you can do it cheaper, solar works. Was telling them, when they meet with The Governator, they should lobby him to change these stupid California "incentives" for Alternative power. They're all just token efforts. When you do the math, it makes no sense. All their loan terms are crap, too. If you really want to make a change to a "New Energy Economy" with the existing caveman tech, you need to extend the financing terms out to 40 years with low interest rates, tax breaks, etc. PG&E would, of course, lobby to the contrary. But, you've got to give me something like $50/mos profit, not breakeven or debt before I'd even consider it.

Outside of that, wind here is variable. Solar here is good. I have a buddy near completely off grid. About $5/mos in on-grid costs. But, his whole place is a monster solar shack, and that's expensive. We F-E sorts can actually build stuff to take the average house fully off grid for less than $10k. On a 20 year mortgage of that at 6%, you're looking at $92/mos total cost to the average American household for off-grid power sufficient to cover electrical and heating/ cooling costs, too. Now that's a much more affordable thing.

Step up mass production, drop the price, raise demand and supply, and you can put it down into the level of your average cell phone contract per 30 kilowatts 24/7 or so. About that same cost gives you an EV capable of non-stop travel anywhere with zero fuel; About double to triple that same cost gives you at least one single-engine, experimental conversion of a light aircraft to global flight capacities, non-stop, operational 24/7 and never needing to land until something breaks (if as a UAV). Considerably larger assemblies of those modules in series and parallel, and you have portable power for trains, industry, maritime, hospitals, rural towns, small farms, developing nations.

And guys like you can actually just build the units for even less than $1000 in scrounged up and purchased parts.

...Working on it. I don't need to even pass you the details; for, if you all ganged together, you could probably build something better than I'm doing. Competition is good for the consumer! Ain't so good for my monopoly, but it's a big global market. If I sell just 10 units a month with a hired intern kid assembling them, that'll keep me plenty cozy. So, there's room for everyone and competition, too. Let's DO it rather than talk. You can figure it out on your own. I know you guys can. Gave you plenty of clues! Just build the damn things and sell them. Make some money. Keep experimenting to larger scale. Make your hobby your profession. That's the most wicked form of activism around. Competition is good because the first units I build will benefit from people like you hammering away at it, redesigning it, and making better variants. You'll copycat my stuff, and I'll just copycat your improvements to my stuff. When done, what I'd like is for my own units to be like a Chevy 350, Colt 45, or AK-47 in robustness and power.

And where I talk of doing 4 global circumnavigations by twin prop bird, we can certainly compromise at one motoglider pushed from SF to Washington D.C. Think about it among all that you know about. That is not an impossible task whatsoever. Aviation feats better sell the EV and residential power angles.

Have a great weekend.

[SL3]

One thing you can do in the meantime.

...Start working on low-cost, grid intertie boxes for residential and industrial structures in 20 kilowatt increments. 20kW, 40kW, 60kW, 80kW, 100kW. Modular/ scalable for industry. That's a whole new capitalist angle required before we can fully plug in and make things cheap for the consumer. Initial experiments would be hokey gear, but focus on designing to UL certification quality. On can just flip on and off the main power to keep things simple. You don't really need a grid intertie for selling power back to utility firms because they're hostile to it anyhow. But, the average residential and industrial consumer needs to plug our powerplants into his panel box. You can get by with just knife switch boxes to cut out the high amp cables from the grid, but electronic switch controls for system reliability are nice, too. When a generator acts up and system power falls below a certain level, automatic shutdown and transfer back to grid power until maintenance gets a handle on the problem. Stuff like that is peripheral technology. Stuff you'll want for your own homes. Stuff you can start thinking about and doodling on now.

[jibbguy]

Turning the corporate heads red

Going on further with this theme, there is much we have in common with the "acceptable" alternative energy community; and the synergy can be exploited to our mutual advantage.

For one thing, as SL3 mentioned there is circuitry for connectivity to the Grid... The ability to "run the meter back-wards" as it were. There are many systems already on the market for this (designed for use with Wind or Solar systems with large industrial battery banks for on/off-grid operation); most of these grid interfaces with efficient true-sine inverters are microprocessor controlled and programmable (...but not cheap lol). In several States in the U.S. (and several other countries such as Germany that i know of), the power corps and publicly-owned electric utilities MUST buy back the excess power from alternatives such as wind and solar whether they like it or not. Now, they still can complain about the quality of the power (..and you can bet they will if given a chance); so it must be "clean", symmetric sine waves perfectly sync'ed to the 50 or 60 Hz line F and of course Phase-locked. But as long as these requirements are met, in many places THEY HAVE NO CHOICE BY LAW but to give you credit for any power added to the grid... Whether they are hostile to the idea or not

In fact, having a wind turbine or two and about 20 square meters of solar panels (..be they active or not) set up so they could be seen from the road would be an excellent "front" for a free energy system that sells power back to the grid.

Hehehe, the idea of being forced to buy power from Free Energy practitioners will make some corporate heads turn red and start smoking

So forming an alliance with the Alternative Energy peeps in your area is a very good idea for us to consider. Most of us here have the know-how to talk the talk, AND walk the walk with the best of them. There is much we can share and learn from each other... And one day soon we may all be able to greatly profit from such a partnership: While doing much good at the same time

Because that day is coming: They can't stop it forever.... They know the end of King Oil's reign is nearly upon us. So as we see more and more devices come out, it will be a signal to others around the world to jump on the band wagon, go with the Main Chance, and do the same... And the cascade effect of multiple devices blitzing the markets will snow-ball and grow no matter how hard they try to fight it... If they even try at all.

Lol, then our biggest problem will be sorting through all the competing techs! Such problems we can live with

All it will take is ONE device, one that correctly shows the basic tenets of free energy, that blows away the old theories beyond plausible denial, that shows beyond doubt that the new concepts are for-real and valid. There are literally dozens out there now that could have this capability if further explored (..many of which are being discussed in the Threads here): It's up to us who believe in them to first vett (we MUST first be our own skeptics here), then identify, promote, further develop, and generally help move the targeted technologies along to the marketing stage as best we can.

We find the one (or multiple) devices that have the needed qualities, and we mass-replicate it / them. We don't have to make an entire car or a plane... Only low-cost portable demonstrator units (low-cost so we won't mind giving them away to Universities or independent labs for prolonged testing), that show beyond doubt that REAL work can be usefully done at "Extremely High Energy Efficiency"

This will act as the "prime" for the market "pump". There are many ready to go, waiting IMO for the proper opportunity, for the proper conditions to occur.. For the "time being right" to bring them out. Bringing a device out into the light successfully will "make the time right" and start the snow-ball rolling

"They" cannot stop us if we create and go with a well-thought out plan: Only we can stop ourselves from being successful.

EDIT: BTW SL3, if you choose "Go Advanced" it should then allow u to edit OK (at least that fixed the prob with me)

[Matthew Jones]

We need to take the time to talk to these individuals when we come across them, and let them know we are travelers on the same road, not competitors.

I try every time. Some who don't so much often are pretty captivated.

Matt is right. Some EV twit out here heard from a buddy that I am building an over-unity device and he called me a bunch of vulgar names. My pal wouldn't even repeat the words to me as a gentleman. Stinkin' greenie fascists! Communists, I tell you. All communists!

Preachin to the choir, brother. I've been cussed, humilated, had the cops called on me, banned from events upon entering, ect...ect...

But I keep trying.

Matt