working OU of Juan Carlos Aviles Moran, unidad de repelencia magnetica (U.R.M)

[sucahyo]

I think this deserve a thread, since I don't see one here yet. If this is not hoax why people don't replicate it yet? Especially when Howard Johnson already give best explanation of this.


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The one who built the device is Juan Carlos Aviles Moran :
Magnetic Repellency Unit (U.R.M)

link by derrickjmanderson, translation:
Translation result for http://freedom.over-blog.es/

alternate
īSi se construye un magnetic mill de 2 metros de diametro de buena aleacion y un buen blindaje magnetico que evite la distorcion magnetica girara tan rapido que podria potenciar 2 dinamos de 5000 wat


explanation, from Zepharim files:





According to Howard Johnson:






video:
YouTube - IEVE //// free energy magnetic mill juan carlos aviles moran
YouTube - juan carlos aviles moran

image of prototype:

[rickoff]

In one of the diagrams of your write-up it says that the circular magnets are smaller than the magnets of the [outer] ring, but that isn't what is shown in the final photo layout on the plywood sheet. Which design is the model that is said to actually work?

Rick

[sucahyo]

In one of the diagrams of your write-up it says that the circular magnets are smaller than the magnets of the [outer] ring, but that isn't what is shown in the final photo layout on the plywood sheet. Which design is the model that is said to actually work?

Rick

Maybe it is not important. The 3D animation show smaller magnet too.

There are a couple of video posted in Moran webpage that show different configuration:
Archivos de El blog de AVILESMORAN

The video are inspiring.
YouTube - Need Input - Magnetic Perpetual Motion or Free Energy
YouTube - The MagDrive Engine

other link
Translated version of http://asado.over-blog.com/article-28500411.html

Translated version of http://asado.over-blog.com/article-28501305.html

I tried with six of diagonally placed magnet in linier configuration, it seems ball and magnet always stop at the end of the row. I wonder how howard johnson made the last one less sticky on his diagonal magnet rail car, using weaker magnet on the end part? I think it would be different if we made it circular though.

[rickoff]

device videos

There is just one video of an actual working prototype, and the two rotor magnets are in fact larger than the ring magnets. Quite a small prototype, the ring o.d. appears to be about 2 inches. The video is of very poor quality, so you really can't see any detail. Both the ring and rotor magnets appear to be small disc, or button magnets, and that is what is shown in a second video of a virtual model.

Here's a still photo of the virtual model:


Both videos can be found here:
YouTube - IEVE //// magnetic mill / molino magnetico


Rick

[patmac]

rickof

There is something about magnetics motor make holes in my mind, is possible that this magnets has magnetic poles assymetrics?

There are many people trying build proof of concepts and working unit without success while another peoples seems buid them quickly and easily.

Look on the sucahyo's post, is using magnets in series, is incredible that this unit can work, when you put magnet in series, is harder get the assymetry.

By this reason when experts use magnets in series use resin with iron powder to make one big magnet from little magnets avoiding flux path "holes or distortions" I don't know how call it, sorry.

What you think about this concept?

[broli]

Like suggested verbally in my monopole thread here's a pictorial description...



This concept uses the same monopole trick I have talked about. By sticking magnets in repulsion together. And using a circular field of a toridal coil instead of permanent magnets.

Btw don't waste your time contacting that person in question. I did a while back when he first put that video up. He is one STRANGE fellow. First of all he only speaks Spanish so had to use google translate for everything. Second of all he talks as if he has an iq of 50. I'm don't want to insult him at all but talking with him is VERY difficult. You will get nowhere what so ever. I tried to get him to make more videos and pictures and as you can see he still is posting that one video over and over. I kid you not when I say he posted the same video 1000 times on youtube with different accounts.

So don't waste your time on him. I believe this concept can work and I believe the reasoning of the monopole is correct, that's more than enough for me.

[darkwizard]

it works, he showed me.

[rickoff]

Reply to patmac:

rickoff

What you think about this concept?

Hi patmac,

While it does seem possible that the tiny prototype, as used in the video, could produce a somewhat effective rotation, I believe that it would be very difficult to construct a working model in a scale large enough to do any really useful work. If you were to build a stator with a 16 inch inner diameter, for example, and incorporate some powerful neo magnets, the field interactions would produce some undesirable effects that would be difficult or impossible to overcome. Not only that, but the cost of such experimentation would be somewhat prohibitive for many people. The virtual model, pictured in my previous post, uses about 50 disc magnets with a diameter about 3 times their thickness. If you scale the 2 inch outside diameter ring of the prototype up so that the inside diameter of the ring is about 16 inches, and use the same number of magnets, but scaled accordingly, you will end up using 50 neo magnets having about a 1 inch thickness and 3 inches in diameter. Here is such a magnet:
K&J Magnetics - Products

As you can see, just one of these sells for 105 dollars. A quantity of 50 would receive a discount, but would still cost an experimenter 3,675 dollars plus shipping. So you see this would be a very expensive endeavor. The principle of the design requires a continuous overlapping of the magnets incorporated in the stator, so you can't economize by leaving any gaps. Likewise, each magnet must overlap an adjacent magnet by a factor of around 2/3 the diameter, so you can not lessen that overlap in hopes of using less magnets.

The angle of magnet placement in the virtual model appears to be about 45 degrees to a line drawn through the diameter of the ring.

If anyone is interested in pursuing an experiment with this design, I highly suggest that you first replicate the unit on a very small scale, similar to that shown in the video. You could use 1/16 inch thick neo magnets with a 3/16 diameter, for example, and 50 of these would only cost $6.50, so you haven't lost much if it does not work as well as you hope. And if it doesn't work well then you can use the magnets for other inexpensive experiments.
K&J Magnetics - Products

For the 2 rotor magnets, try using 3/16" or 1/4" diameter neo magnets with a 1/8" thickness. All the magnets should be axially magnetized (magnetized through the thickness). The ring magnets should be installed so that the south poles overlap the north polar faces. The rotor magnets should be installed with the north poles facing the ring magnets so that the ring and rotor magnets act in repulsion. The rotor magnet faces should be at a angle that parallels the face angles of their closest aligned ring magnets during rotation.

Good luck, and best regards,

Rick

[patmac]

Uhh, Yeah, then you right....

Technically factible but Financially unfactible, is only a toy.

With 3675 dollars we can buy very high quality capacitors and get OU with some cheaps components.

Magnets motors can be possible with asymetrics magnets....

Asymetric magnets = 0 Lenz Law on Electrical Motors.

[Mark]

Hey Rick why don't you do a small scale replication? I've seen a lot of great info you have provided in many threads, what kind of projects are you currently working on? I don't think I've seen any info on actual projects your doing.

[patmac]

ok. Appearently insulation is the key

I don't if by using power iron + resin is possible manipulate one side of rotor magnet, or maybe search on the net by good insulation magetic field, good insulation by using the less space as be possible.

[patmac]

Magnetic shielding foil

Hi everybody

Next link seems a source of magnetic shield foil, maybe is possible put many layers to reach the maximun eff on the motor.

Magnetic Field Shielding Materials

This seems the key of magnetic motors like Perendev.

Prices seems low:

15" wide, 0.004" thick (Cat. # A276-15) .... $21.95/linear ft

hhahah, maybe we need modified a CRT TV like Sweet to test the shielding

[rickoff]

Reply to Patmac:

This seems the key of magnetic motors like Perendev.
[Magnetic Shielding]

Hi Patmac,

Yes, magnetic shielding is a critical factor in PMM designs. The early Perendev design used bismuth for the shielding, but it proved to be unsuitable. Since then, Perendev rotors and stators have used a layer of diamagnetic graphite (pyrolytic carbon) around each magnet, plus a stainless steel jacket surrounding the graphite. The shielding is made somewhat longer than the magnets, and preferably can be made to line the entire length of the magnet socket bores. Here are photos showing older magnets and shielding as compared with those used in newer Perendev units. Notice the dark layer inside the shielding at bottom photo, which is the pyrolytic graphite.




Juan Carlos Aviles Moran says that he uses pyrolytic graphite and MuMetal for his shielding.

At the following link you can see the levitation effect that occurs when pyrolytic carbon is placed above neo magnets:

Fileiamagnetic graphite levitation.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Rick

[rickoff]

Reply to Mark:

Hey Rick why don't you do a small scale replication? I've seen a lot of great info you have provided in many threads, what kind of projects are you currently working on? I don't think I've seen any info on actual projects your doing.

Hi Mark,

Currently I am prepping my home for sale, and that seems to be taking up the greatest part of my available time to work on projects. I am also working fervently on a yearly update to a computer program that I developed for use in the Maine Volunteer Lakes Monitoring Project. That requires a large amount of my time each winter and spring. And what little time I have left over generally is devoted to participation in several of the EnergeticForum threads, which also keeps me busy doing lots of time consuming research. After I move north, nearer to my summer cottage, I will be setting up a workshop with some machine tools, and will then be able to spend more time working on replications, and development of my own inventive ideas. I have a broad and well rounded background in mechanics, machine tools, woodwork, metal fabrication, leather work, electronics, pneumatics, hydraulics, computer science, and other useful knowledge, skills, and abilities that I can draw upon, so I don't feel restrictively limited to certain bounds of exploration. There are so many things that I would like to do, but I already have too many "irons in the fire," so to speak. I must take care of previously established priorities first, unfortunately, but I hope that at least my contributions here can help other people to move forward in their quest for energy independence. Ultimately, I'm sure that I will have to spend less time involved in the threads in order to find time for the experimentation that I would like to be doing. What projects are you particularly interested, or involved in, at this time?

Best regards,

Rick

[patmac]

Thanks rickoff, good info, this clearify all

But, now I'm amazed and confused about anothers experiments here in energeticforum.

pyrolytic graphite: is diamagnetic, NOT NEUTRAL, if neutral =0 this material is <0, is great and incredible, if this material is <0, then IS SUPERCONDUCTOR in apropiated conditions:

What if carbon rod on Ed Gray Tube is pyrolytic graphite?.

If I'm wrong correct me and I'll redit this post to avoid change the topic. If i'm right then we can move it to Ed Gray Tube Thread.