CloudSeeder's Gravity Wheel on Fire

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J B Weld is a pain in the derriere. It drips too much.

J B Weld is a pain in the derriere. It drips too much. I should be using Superglue Gel first, then a little J B. The build is looking real good but I've already got the Chas. Campbell bicycle design fix ready to work on after this one, work or don't work.

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Hammer Cam <> Conclusion: Angled Arms not angled enough to work

Alright, hammer cam fails, following reasons + some conclusions:

#1, too much friction between threads on moving arms & stationary threads.

#2, angle of attack on angled arms too steep, should be 90 degrees (probably).

#3, total weight of hardware exceeds ability to spin while #1 & #2 remain incorrect.

#4, this design is a v/good design but total weight needs bringing down, lighter hardware.

Conclusion? With correct materials, using superglue gel not J B Weld,
sharper angle for falling-sliding weights, probably would work.
Learned many useful things building the hammer cam.

Moving on to next design,
saving this one aside <> it looks nice
and joins the Pelican also saved.

The next build has some unique features never tried before.

=> attempting to correct Chas. Campbell's bicycle & tube design using much lighter hardware. This one is an enhanced Pelican design. Construction will be 6 arms but 3 will be used first. Initial angle of sliding weight to be decided but likely angled in toward the axle about 20-25 degrees axle side from straight 90. Thoughts? There is a mathematical relationship beginning to emerge. As stated in a previous post it is likely to need more than 3 weights => when a weight hits, the following weight-in-free-fall needs to already be in motion toward impact ~~~ for keeping momentum ~~~ unless the device weight was kept very low PLUS extra-high leverage, then more distance between might still work. I'll be aiming for this next build.

The Pelican was a two-arm deal and did very well employing leverage. This one will have three already-proven positives => 3 arms, lighter weight, and much improved leverage, + #4 correcting a very fatal flaw Mr. Campbell had in his bike design and #5 a closely-related 2nd flaw in his bike is also being corrected.

Emerging Pattern of Failures:

Summing up:
Hammer Cam: Finished Device Weight was too high to
the (negative) Friction + (too low a positive) Two-Weights-Only Design.
((((((( * also responsible for stopping the Pelican * )))))))

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Future designs should use plastic bolts and nuts!
The long rods too. Metal is a waste of time.
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Future designs should use plastic bolts and nuts!
The long rods too. Metal is a waste of time.
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I imagine there should be a box of plastic nuts & bolt stuff being sold at Toys R Us. Order them online no doubt.

[protecheqp]

chuckle chuckle ...do we have fun or what , we must like self inflicted punishment.

I have run into some problems as well ....everything works on paper and in my head lol BUT

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chuckle chuckle ...do we have fun or what , we must like self inflicted punishment.

I have run into some problems as well ....everything works on paper and in my head lol BUT

Next week we graduate. They issue us complimentary razor blades. I gave my first build to my new doctor and he's giving it to his 16YO son... unless the words "only one in the world" sinks in before he gets it home.

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Next week we graduate. They issue us complimentary razor blades. I gave my first build to my new doctor and he's giving it to his 16YO son... unless the words "only one in the world" sinks in before he gets it home.

The doc is a real smart man. He didn't want me to tell him what it did. He fooled with it, moved it, saw the actions it did. Then I held it and let him give it a spin. Before giving it to him I took it down to the hardware where I buy most the parts. Three there plus a customer gave it a spin. Everybody who saw it run even just a few rotations couldn't hold back the smiles at the very idea of gravity actually doing something useful.

Our Cause is worthy.

[protecheqp]

That is a idea to create some novelty machines and rent them out to stores..there ya go guy

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That is a idea to create some novelty machines and rent them out to stores..there ya go guy

A way to make money off of failed gravity wheels? Hmm. Making money off of failure! Lemon~lemonade!

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Hammer Cam correction names the Next Model =&gt; Long Legs Albatross

The falling weight, sliding or non-sliding, the lever-arm the weight is on -striking down across the Cam- should've been extended out further. In the mirrored-arm model having two opposed ams~weights, the impact on the down-going side has to exceed the weight of the opposite upcoming side, which side is both a one-half starting side plus a one-half lesser side.

The impact DOWN + the upward impact on the opposite side has to exceed gravity's pull on the upcoming side * a minor mistake easily fixed with a longer rod and the cam-bumps being further out from the axle. Had the cam been a telescoping deal secured solid by screws it would have been easy to adjust the length away from axle. And thus we have the name of the next build = long legs albatross.

The next build is looking good, even without the sliding weights added yet it spins easily... from using shorter axle sleeves = sleeve friction reduced by 50%.

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The First Thing, then the Second Thing:

@All: The first thing we have to do is design a wheel that spins on its own. That has to be the first Hurdle #1. Don't even think about a load or a generator, just get it to spin.

After we get one spinning then copy the sucker. Take measurements. Cast it in a mold if you have to but don't lose it! Pictures. Then set it to the side and don't touch it!

Build a second one and change something to hopefully pull a load. Add the load. If it works great. If it doesn't work figure out why and try again but never mess with the first one that spins on its own. It's your pattern.

[protecheqp]

The problem with a wheel is
1/ gravity only works on 1 side for about 170 degrees
2/ you always have more weight to lift than is coming down
3/ even with weight impact its not enough to tip the scales
4/ even with weight shift it takes energy to do it and your back at the start again
5/say you get this wheel moving.. as the speed increases you enter a new realm of centrifugal force .... ah a brand new ball game in the picture

but we keep trying I like the pendulum impact thing right its almost there and now I have my own mill
I am going to build project below

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@protecheqp => I don't have a picture of it but what I have right now is a 6-spoked wheel of lightweight Poplar strips, extremely well-balanced. With just a little push it will spin many revolutions BECAUSE I used shorter metal sleeves for the axle to spin inside. On three of the spokes I'm adding the sliding weights. Trying 3 before doing all 6. What I'm doing though is, instead of having the wire stationary and the weight sliding on the dead wire, I'm setting up a metal tube so that the entire weight + the slide wire are both adding to the impact.

But I understand exactly what you're saying. John_g wants to use an Even number of arms ("spokes") but I believe in using an odd number like 3. That way you have one impacting, one slipping past 6 AM and the other coming up & over. That should work. You have 1 impact happening, 1 impact momentuming, and one negative dragging. That's two positives against one negative. The "trick" here is that the weight coming up the return side has slid back closer to the axle you see. So then you have one impacting out farther from the axle VERSUS one negative closer to the axle + 1 momentuming through. The impact is greater than the tree hugging negative, + the gravy following through at the bottom.

The impact of the weight isn't down at the bottom of the wire this way, the impact is up at the top of the spoke for MAXIMUM LEVERAGE down exerted on the axle.

Anyway, the animation one is the best because it has both Down impact and Up impact at the same time. I just decided to go off and do this one first. Chas. Campbell did it with a bicycle rim and 8 tubes, I assume with golf balls inside the tubes falling. The problem is that when the ball or weight hits at the BOTTOM the entire tube is absorbing the impact. I'm in hopes using the sliding wire trick that ALL the impact will be up at the top of the spoke => farthest leverage from the axle.

You're working on the animation right? Well, the thing we need to do there I think is make 3 of em, and put them side by side on the axle at 120 degree offsets all falling in the same direction. That way we can use the straight rod... not having to bend it. It was pretty but the difficulty overcoming stuff caused extra weight. Weight killed it. Plastic rods, bolts and nuts it would've worked.

Take another look at the animation. See how there's a stop nut combo on each side of the slide? That's needs changing a bit. The outer one is correct, but the one toward the axle needs to be moved onto the other side so that when the weight falls it pull down on the other side, not on the cam side.

I'll look at your picture now.

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The problem with a wheel is
1/ gravity only works on 1 side for about 170 degrees
2/ you always have more weight to lift than is coming down
3/ even with weight impact its not enough to tip the scales
4/ even with weight shift it takes energy to do it and your back at the start again
5/say you get this wheel moving.. as the speed increases you enter a new realm of centrifugal force .... ah a brand new ball game in the picture

but we keep trying I like the pendulum impact thing right its almost there and now I have my own mill
I am going to build project below

Okay, sure. You like working with that one so stick with that. My stuff is enough to wrap your head around a telephone pole on Saturday night.... your #5 though is correct. By having both the weight and the wire it's on slide it should be more centrifugal, just depends on the angle. Every little bit helps I won't turn it down!

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Weights retract back closer to the axle coming Up it should be a Done Deal

In a way, having an Even # of arms should work by keeping the weight coming Down the same as the weight going Up all the time. Pos = Neg with at least two impacts always happening on the Down side. So long as the weights retract back closer to the axle coming Up it should be a Done Deal.

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With 6 spokes each spoke area is covering 60 degrees of the circle, right? OK, so if the sliding weight is taking 60 degrees and you had 10 spokes then there would be overlap!!! That's what I was saying earlier days ago, the possibility we may need to have a weight sliding -in motion- before the weight before it impacts.

Machine gun-style. Mr. Campbell tried to do that but he had the balls incorrectly hitting at the bottom of the tubes. I think I can make his work with my changes (impacting at the top).