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  • I've been conducting a science experiment for about 6 weeks, turning off everything in the circuit box to lessen trickle current. My bill was 33% lower and will be more next month. Solar could almost do it alone if we had a smart switch keeping large appliances from all running at the same time, plus stop the water heater from running every 3-5 minutes. I could pop out one of the solars I have that makes gobs more than cells.

    Generating at the homes eliminates line losses, end of story. Well, time to go do some work now the new saw is charged up.

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    • Lightening up the backboard helped and it looks leaner anyway, but I'll have to trim threads. They have too much friction with the eye screws. I made a major design change also: flipped the shorter/heavier arm over to make it a mirror image situation. With using the counterweights it may not make a great deal of difference.

      As usual the sweet spot is elusive. However, this is good exercise I needed. I'll use Marxist's idea and just run off half the threads down the side where they scrub against the eye screws.

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      • Not to get off subject, but I installed a tankless water heater about 5 years ago. It saves me about $20-$25 a month on my electric bill. I need to get back to work also. Good Luck. Stealth

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        • Originally posted by CloudSeeder View Post
          I've been conducting a science experiment for about 6 weeks, turning off everything in the circuit box to lessen trickle current. My bill was 33% lower and will be more next month. Solar could almost do it alone if we had a smart switch keeping large appliances from all running at the same time, plus stop the water heater from running every 3-5 minutes. I could pop out one of the solars I have that makes gobs more than cells.

          Generating at the homes eliminates line losses, end of story. Well, time to go do some work now the new saw is charged up.
          simple solution to the water heater. solar thermal reservoir and a tankless on demand boost. you can use ur gravity wheel to circulate the water through the solar thermal collector once you get it running. or a solar powered motor since you only need it to circulate during the day time.

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          • Off Topic? People surviving is On Topic!

            We all live in various degrees of meat grinders. I appreciate such comments if it gives me an edge. Yes RedEagle I know you're right. I know all about solar in a 3rd floor apartment taking the heat. I wish I had a place out where I could make a few of my solar devices. There's two big bedroom windows facing south so I could fill them with solar collectors, I just haven't got into it health problems dragging me down.

            I am taking two new products, Dr. Newton's Gold Standard Protein and soon to be delivered Stemulite, + Oxy-Nectar I started taking in 2004, trying more to build new muscle than lose weight. New muscle burns up the fat faster, so I do weight loss from that raised health angle than from calorie restriction. I've been disabled since 89 so if I return to work they continue paying full disability check for 11 months. That would give me a decent springboard to do some of these things.

            Not selling (spam), just telling.

            Without a certain level of health, life comes to a grinding stop. Some people have wanted to accuse me of becoming a hedonist and a narcissist and generally become a Satan worshipper giving so much devotion to my physical issues but I have to brush that off because someone my size needs extra nutrition to have the health smaller people take for granted. So it's either I get with the program or go purchase a coffin, has nothing to do with being a narcissist.

            Gravity pulls down on me with a vengeance at 270 pounds. I either tred harder or that's it. Even whales work out, jumping out the water, diving over a mile deep into crushing pressures. They know the score.
            Last edited by CloudSeeder; 05-23-2009, 03:52 AM. Reason: a decent springboard

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            • I know occasionally I post over enthusiastically about stuff but people don't know the life-death struggles I've been through the past 9+ years, so yeah, sometimes I lack judgement and go flying off into Outer Space. The meds the doctors prescribed me for 12+ years I was actually in rejection of them, so my Immune System was overworked to the point of exhaustion. This left me wide open to bacterial assault and the Lyme's spirocheates hit me hard for 4 straight months the end of 2006, early 2007. They got to be so many they were interfeing with my heart beat signal reaching my heart.

              But I also had mold take root in my sinus and sinking roots both backwards into my brain and forward all through my cheek and into the mastoid. I've been fighting for my life against this junk for a long time, years. I'm still fighting. I've overcome the mold a lot by swishing with hydrogen peroxide.

              I asked my last doctor for help with these multiple issues and he told me straight to my face he didn't have that kind of time, so I quit all doctors and started conducting my own recovery efforts. I do have the time. I like my way better. My way I get to breathe.

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              • Rant time <> Squeamish Don't Read

                So when I watch a movie where a Black guy hollers to Jean Claude Van Damme He's gonna kill yer ass Lionheart I know the feeling. I faced down do-nothing doctors for 20 years who persisted in killing my Immune System giving me drugs that were wiping my bloodstream out of oxygen. I've known that a long time. When your fingernails turn purple underneath like your last dead uncle it's sort of a giveaway.

                More than a few people get huffy with me saying How can you Woodrow Peon possibly know more than doctors? You'd be surprised how much you can learn when every day and night your neck has an axe over it and you're gasping for breath. It gives a lot more incentive than getting a medical degree.

                If people want to kill me they're going to have to come over here and do it, not with pill bottles they and the pharmacist know are stuffed with placebos. They found out I don't go down so easy, and when I do a lot of the times I have help getting back on my feet. This is year 21 of being in this death match <> Round 21. I've outlasted Nelson Mandela and Muhammed Ali. I forgive them in the sense I know Jesus can give them life, but I don't appreciate their deciding as a group to off me while they were claiming my being bipolar was the problem => it's all "in his head" to avoid all personal responsibility as physicians (Hippocratic Oath "Do No Harm" is still in effect).

                Round 21 began a few weeks ago. They've started to running ads on the local AM telling people what great doctors they are i.e. I've got them on the ropes. The whole world knows what they are <> Bush doctors. They're going down, not just because of me, oh no. They're going down on the ring apron because that's where killers belong, in a cat sack tossed from a bridge. Their medicine is killing people and they're bragging about it. They took out my Dad well, Dad's right here in me. Dad taught me how to punch & jab long before Ali. Dad was John Sullivan and Jack Dempsey trained.

                We'll see who walks out back of Deadman's curve. End of Friday night swing fest.

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                • Gravity and the Weight of Ocean Water?

                  Just a question somewhat off topic but still concerning Gravity. Anyone know -or hear about any estimates of- how much the ocean water weight may have increased over the last 50 years from pollution & metal wastes dumping?

                  There seems to be a bit more earthquake activity recently so I was wondering if the ocean weight couldn't be pressing down so hard on the earth's crust... to be the hidden force behind the extra earthquakes.

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                  • As far i know the Earthquakes comes from the tectonic plates, what still do moves.
                    Not sure, if its the Weight from the Junk down there, its even been taken out anywhere too , Brazil is a big Copper supplier?
                    Most Weight is at Water anyway lesser.
                    Theorizer are like High Voltage. A lot hot Air with no Power behind but they are the dead of applied Work and Ideas.

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                    • Come ta think of it the last big quake in China, they found it was caused by the big lake they built on the river. If it did it to land there it could do it to land everywhere else! The oceans have a lot more weight than that lake they built.

                      I just don't know if anyone has even estimated how much more the oceans weigh. Alaska issued a statement about last week saying Alaska is rising. The ice and snow melting off it was holding the land down. OK, that clenches it then.

                      However much Alaska is rising tells us how much pressure is adding to the tectonic plates... that is then transferring outward into the world's most vulnerable faults. Dang it. California isn't headed for the Big One, all of us are.
                      Last edited by CloudSeeder; 05-23-2009, 07:05 PM. Reason: last big quake in China, they found it was caused by the big lake they built on the river.

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                      • Combination Blow

                        @Joit: I try to keep up with environmental information and feel like I do a fair job at it. Seems like the majority of focus has stayed on sea level rising from Global Climate Change... It isn't that they haven't mentioned pollution as a factor because they have, and they also mention plenty how ice & snow reflect sunlight while melted into water it absorbs it.

                        But you need to consider into the subject what the pollution + ocean water has become = more than just "water". Not only is the ocean water absorbing more sunlight isn't it also altered to hold more heat as in being more like antifreeze? Water thickened with pollution is an entirely different animal. You take antifreeze, it cools great at a 50% concentration, but at 100% it holds heat and can make an engine OVERHEAT.

                        So ocean temperature rise is MORE than just absorption of solar rays, it's how much of that becomes trapped by the altered chemical composition of the ocean water from varied pollutants we've added. What all this means in REAL TERMS is what they have sometimes warned about when they say we as a species are unable to change the climate that has the ring of truth to it. We're like ants on the surface milling about, too small to do much damage. But pollution we have added to the water accumulates up over time, so while we don't have enough of an impact at any one slice of time that's really a false argument. What we cause as an accumulation of slices of time is what really matters so we do in fact possess the capability of altering the oceans to a world cataclysm-causing level... and I'm suspecting the climatology department scientists at some point in the last 1-2 years have reached that same understanding.

                        That is why they did an about face and accepted a
                        Free Energy device from Robert Kostoff as patent worthy.
                        This has to be representing some kind of major enlightenment at
                        work to force them to make such a radical change in their 60+ year policy.

                        Some additional great new understanding hit them in their solar plexis that gave them a bad case of diaper rash. They aren't suddenly become enlightened from a visit by Jonathon Marley spirit of Christmas Future whatever. I think they never wanted to allow Gravity Wheels or Magnet Wheels period but a day came where they asked Mirror Mirror on the Wall, who's the greatest of all and instead of hearing You Are Master, the mirror cracked to pieces and shattered all over the floor unable to tell so great a lie. In other words, I think they reached the conclusion (that hit me this morning) sometime during the past two years that the increased weight of the polluted oceans is pressing inward upon the continents accelerating earthquakes worldwide

                        pushing them to accept Free Energy suddenly with open arms.

                        They were way ahead of me and I'm admitting I'm slow beside them. It takes me a while for this stuff to sink in, but when it does sink in I hold it and look at it. This new patenting policy is a new species we've not seen before but with a rifle butt to the temples.
                        ....

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                        • Two Design Changes

                          My first Gravity Wheel has gotten one change already => cutting excess weight from the backboard. That did not help as much as I hoped but it put me moving in the right direction. The eye screws are at an angle that causes friction inside the hinges by making the hinges have to do a less-than-natural twisting motion. WD40 didn't make up for that flaw as much as I thought it would.

                          To straighten out the hinge action can be fixed in one of two ways, either #1 extend the eye screws out or #2 stop using the backboard altogether and develop a wire harness over the threaded rod assembly much like a horse's bridle. Which one would be the best?

                          Extending the eye screws would make the backboard heavier; a wire bridle would very much lighten the weight. A wire bridle can be custom fashioned to spin directly to the ends of the nut coupling used for the rod assembly. This should eliminate much weight plus eliminating friction in the eye screws (by not putting torque in the hinges).
                          Last edited by CloudSeeder; 05-25-2009, 11:53 AM. Reason: "Horse bridle" accomplishes eliminating friction in the eye screws (by not putting torque in the hinges).

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                          • Backboard Design: Is it &quot;Wrong&quot;?

                            The backboard design is the better design in my opinion, just not with the heavy materials I have used including the heavy brass hinges. The backboard was to be used as the means of carrying the motion of the spinning arms over to the dowel rod holding the sprocket for turning the generator.

                            Using a straddling horse bridle-like assembly would then require a sprocket be directly attached to the end of the nut coupling. After making these changes the threaded rod should be trimmed of as much of the threads as possible, leaving the spinning energy to turn a generator not turning its own weight. A lesson for pendulums.

                            Robert Kostoff's unique design also, because he likely used as much super lightweight metal alloy as he could find except for the pistons <> and truth be told he could have filled the pistons with water...

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                            • Learning from Robert Kostoff

                              We can all learn lessons from Robert Kostoff's Gravity Wheel...

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                              • frustrated

                                Originally posted by CloudSeeder View Post
                                We can all learn lessons from Robert Kostoff's Gravity Wheel...
                                And from lots of others. After all the patent offices provide a special category for "other motors, e.g. gravity and inertia motors", with several sub-categories, see
                                esp@cenet f03g3
                                It is frustrating to see how this knowledge has been hidden away aka privatized.
                                Knowing that this stuff exists and I just can't wrap my head around it makes me feel ever more stupid ...

                                Regarding Kostoff's system:
                                unfortunately he uses a hydraulic or pneumatic system - powered by the rotation of his wheel/machine - and uses this system to operate the 'actuators' to initiate the weight shifting process.

                                So it is kind of an indirect gravity machine, as he converts mechanical energy (produced by gravity) into hydraulic energy in order to do the weight switching/shifting.

                                If we can think of a purely mechanical system to initiate the weight shifting...
                                He describes his system quite clearly, but as I said ... just can not wrap my head around it ...
                                Last edited by marxist; 05-27-2009, 03:17 PM.

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