The Watson Machine

[Inquorate]

Darkwizard

I have to say that while I don't come across your postings too often (different projects I gather), when I do, I greatly admire the cut of your jib..

[Ted Ewert]

the flywheel doesn't add energy, only is there because one wants to convert mechanic energy into electric energy, and the flywheel acts like a kinetic energy capacitor.

The "energy" or aetheric energy comes from the pulsed alternator, nobody understands this.

The motor switches off because one wants to recharge the primary battery, nothing else, one can do a two battery setup and observe real OU. It is Ou because the motor doesn't stop and the alternator is not generating current, only virtual particle flow,/ voltage. Therefore there is a Lenz drag bending.

I can see you don't know about flywheels yet either. That's OK.
The pulsed alternator will give you a nice high voltage if the cap is adjusted for resonance at the operating speed (note the current meter in John's schematic). This will indeed reduce the lenz drag since less current is being drawn from the magnets. This is the most efficient way to extract energy from an alternator. This is commonly done on SSG setups to extract extra energy from the wheel using an extra generator coil, although a cap is generally not employed.
Nevertheless, IMHO, this is still not enough to overcome losses in the system. Like I said, I already built one and even though I tuned the alternator, it still didn't run OU.
In all fairness, I certainly didn't build a particularly high quality replication, and I didn't exhaust all variations on this theme. But it was a decent job and should have worked better than it did, according to the hype in the book.
The thing about Bedini machines is that he never gives you the essence of where the energy is coming from. He lets you figure that out for yourself. There is always some special little way to get that extra bit of energy you need to make the thing OU.
I would invite you to do a two battery setup, as you suggested, to prove your point that the pulsed alternator will provide enough energy to charge a separate battery faster than the primary battery is exhausted.
I look forward to being proved incorrect.

Cheers,

Ted

[Peter Lindemann]

Looking at the Motor

Hi Guys,

Thought I'd drop in and share a few things.

There is another interesting feature of the Watson Machine that is usually overlooked, and that is the motor. The salvaged aircraft starter/generator unit was essentially a system that had a wound field and a wound rotor, with a brush commutator. It was probably SERIES WOUND. This means that when the motor is offered electric current from the battery, it will produce bursts of TORQUE. It also means that when the motor is disconnected from the battery, it will produce NO back EMF and NO DRAG except for the brush friction.

If you attempt to use a DC motor with a permanent magnet field in this machine, it won't work, because these motors ALWAYS produce reverse currents into the shorted turns of the rotor windings, and therefore, always produce DRAG when not connected to a power supply! You can see this behavior quite easily when you try to spin the shaft. A permanent magnet field DC motor will NOT free wheel when disconnected from power. They stop very quickly due to their internal short circuit on the rotor!

For those of you who have seen my DVD Electric Motor Secrets, you may also understand that if this motor/flywheel system is run at a speed that is significantly near the top speed of the motor for its excitation voltage, the current draw will be greatly reduced, because the internal back EMF of the motor will be approaching maximum. There are other subtleties to this aspect of the machine that only become apparent after significant experimentation with motors.

With the permanent magnet induced, inductive collapse "energizer" driving into a capacitor, the back EMF drag of the generator section drops to a very low value because the system is encouraged to produce VOLTAGE instead of current. Current production is the ONLY aspect of electricity that causes DRAG according to Lenz Law, not voltage.

This is the first machine that Bedini developed for the charging of a battery from a capacitor dump. Its a brilliant little arrangement because the capacitor never drops below the battery voltage, so when it is disconnected from the battery, 100% of the energy it receives from the "energizer" is added to the capacitor at a voltage ABOVE the battery voltage. So, the system can produce 100% of its energy at reduced back EMF and make ALL of it available to the battery.

With the flywheel storing the torque, produced by the motor pulses and consumed by the "current production" of the energizer, the "window" for understanding HOW the machine can go OU is revealed. This machine cannot work without a proportional flywheel and a good, low friction bearing system.

The secret of the machine is in "managing" the back EMF production in both the motor and the generator. The motor MUST be able to operate in a pure "free wheel mode" in-between the torque pulses it contributes. The energizer MUST charge into a capacitor so its output is biased toward VOLTAGE production and away from current. This reduces the back EMF drag (reverse motoring effect) it produces.

When all of the components are proportional (tuned) and the system gets up to operational speed, the losses go to minimum and the COP goes above 1 and the battery starts charging.

That is my understanding of the machine.

Peter

[ren]

Thanks Peter, excellent points there.

This is some of the reasons I was leaning towards the window motor for the motor part. It can free wheel easily, has "off time" already factored in and at its highest speed it draws its lowest input power. I learnt alot of things with that simple circuit (the bipolar switch) and I think there is more to come. I am not surprised that most people who have talked about his motor generator usually havent built this circuit. If you look at his patents this circuit is the one which is used in his motor/generator configurations. It is only slightly different to the SG circuit, but behaves radically differently.

"The secret of the machine is in "managing" the back EMF production in both the motor and the generator." I think many people only consider back emf in regards to the motor, it is refreshing to see it considered in the energizer too. J Koorn told me of a G field design he witnessed in operation which increased speed the more the user tried to pull power from it.

[Ted Ewert]

Hi Peter,
You make some very good points, thanks for the insights.

Ted

[Ted Ewert]

A note on flywheels... A rotational system, such as a planet in orbit, gains energy each cycle because it is in asymmetrical resonance. It alternately has a centripetal and a centrifugal component within each orbit, which distinguishes it from a circular orbit.
When a flywheel is pulsed, it's center of kinetic energy is pushed out towards the rim (centrifugal). As the load creates drag and slows the angular velocity, this center is drawn back towards the axle (centripetal). When this process is in resonance, extra energy is produced, as it is in any other system with this type of asymmetrical orbit.
Centrifugal force can only add energy to an orbit if there is also a centripetal component within that same revolution. Milkovic's oscillator uses this principal as the radius of the arc of the pendulum increases and decreases with each swing. No work can be done until that fulcrum moves.
The kinetic energy within a flywheel acts just like a mass, which moves toward and away from the axis of rotation depending on the rate of acceleration or deceleration
Again, resonance is the key. Random pulses will not produce the same effect as well timed, synchronous pulses will. Each flywheel has it's own resonant frequency which has to be found in order for this principal to work correctly. Pulsing a flywheel with a motor that receives it's drive pulses from a commutator attached to the drive axle (Watson motor) is a good way to do this. No matter what the speed of rotation is, the pulses will always be synchronous with the flywheel. Then it's just a matter of finding the optimal speed.

Cheers,

Ted

[darkwizard]

Peter you are the best!

[shlodo]

Carousal Electric Generator

Check this out, it seems similar to the Watson machine

Its called the Carousal Electric Generator and is claimed to be OU (patent 5625241)
U.S. Patent: 5625241 - Carousel electric generator - April 29, 1997

I posted a video earlier on the page but i dont think anyone looked at it. it seems relevant. Fast forward to 1:00 hour exactly to see the machine. Someone mentioned the watson machine relying on really good bearings for minimum drag. This device is macgnetically levitated to minimise friction

zero point - Google Video
-shlodo

[sinergicus]

Fuzzines about watson energizer

I made a little ssg from a 80 mm cooler fan;I removed the blades from the rotor
and I glued instead ,4 ferrite magnets,all N poles outside ,used in furniture industry to keep the furniture doors closed .Around of that magnets I glued 4 little coils with 200 turns each ,0,3 mm wire.Coils wires I connected in series.

I tried to combine watson machine with ssg .The little ssg is powered from 2
little battery conected in series to give 24 v.The rotor rotating very fast at that voltages.

I hoked up at the output rotor coils connected in series,a little 60 v neon bulb, to see if radiant energy appear.No success.

I have read this topic,but I don't understand what I missed in theory;I have read the FEG book about watson machine and Erwin's (from fight 4 truth site) informations about this but seems ,I have a wall in my mind and cannot
pass over .

What I understand,is we must obtain somehow ,high voltage,radiant spikes from energizer,to charge batteries.Can somebody help me to understand why this HV spikes don't appear in my little energizer?

Thanks
Mike

[cody]

sinergicus,

Here is a little demo i did on the basic technique of what you want, if you still cant get it after watching this, you may not have enough turns on your coil or a strong enough magnet. It will be much more efficient if you switch it through a capacitor matched to the rotor speed, search for the thread about R, Adams generator coil to see what has been done there.


YouTube - Radiant Energy From Generator Coil

[ashtweth]

Guys check out the FEG book, John now has patent the Watson machine and tells how to do it! i cannot post it here

[Burned_NE2]

Guys check out the FEG book, John now has patent the Watson machine and tells how to do it! i cannot post it here

Hi Ash

You mentioned that "John now has patent the Watson machine" !!! How can that be possible if it was prior art?

I have just checked his patents and don't see anything related to the Free Energy Generator, do you have the patent number? I'd be really interested in seeing this

I have the FEG Second edition 2006 book, are you saying that there is newer information regarding this in a newer release of the FEG book?

Regards,
Paul

[ashtweth]

Hi Paul i;ll just have to get the details for you my friend , ill have to scan the out and quote them for you. Gimme a day or too wont be long

[ashtweth]

Hi Paul, sorry i almost got it right, he has a patent pending in the book regarding the CONTROLLER for the watson energizer (free energy machine no 2) Sorry i did get it a bit wrong man

So not the whole contraption just parts of the Watson energizer i guess, i am looking at page 33.

Ash

[Burned_NE2]

Hi Ash,

No worries mate

Regards,
Paul