The Watson Machine

[nvisser]

This is my effort so far on the Watson generator and it does not work as I connect all 4 coils in series and connect it to a 470uf, 400v cap which I tried to switch only when the voltage over it reached about 60v as described in numerous drawings on the web

On John Bearden website: The Tom Bearden Website
He said that Watson used series resonance!
I quote: “By adapting this mechanism, a free energy motor can be readily produced, as demonstrated by Bedini, Watson, and others with a battery-driven, series-wound DC motor unit”
Bedini on the other hand show in his generator booklet a parallel resonant circuit for each coil which makes more sense to me.


I tried it on a coil and the voltage output was significantly higher! Of cause you will have to measure the coil capacity in mH on than calculate the capacitor value


This dude on his website: Erwin's Work Shop
Bedini 1984 Radiant Energy converter
"The Watson Machine"
explains the parallel resonant effect used , but I cannot determined if he ever got this thing working.
John Bedini also give construction notes where he uses 6 coil of only 200 turns of 20awg wire. That gives me a coil of low resistance (2 ohms) ,as I suppose for parallel resonance you need low resistance, but the coil than measures only 8mH which give me a capacitor of 165uf(2x 330uf in parr) @ about 140hz which is the freq. with 6 magnets when the motor is pulsed(12v wiper motor) A big capacitor! I did not try it out with this coil and cap yet
I tested a222mH coil with a cap on a ssg motor and got a much bigger voltage at resonance. It also charged a big cap after the bridge up much faster.
Will try experimenting in the following week

[nvisser]

pages from the free energy generator booklet

[nvisser]

Erwin`s parralel lc resonance explanation:

LC Resonant Tank-Circuit!!!
If you look at Figure 10. page 25 in JB's FEG you will understand what I am talking about!!!!
"The winding of this alternator is a problem and it is tricky"!!!... he writes.
There are 6 tank-circuits!!!
Lets say I drive a parallel LC circuit at its resonant angular frequency. The effective impedance across the network goes to infinity meaning it is acting like an open circuit also meaning that current flow between the source and ground will be zero. Now that the internal oscillating current between L and C is going on, no more current will be supplied through the network by the power supply, because the power source cannot feel a potential difference across the network.
The power source in this case are the magnets. With the approaching magnet, the individual coils are magnetically charged (Magneto) with this 136V positive sine pulse; at the same time the capacitor is being charged with DC because the inductor is resisting current changes within the LC network, it passes a steady state current to the cap. As the magnet is leaving the core, discharging the accumulated voltage in the tank circuit abruptly (open circuit), causing a voltage collapse, here again you have the famous energy shock called sharp gradient which is extracting radiant energy from the Dirac Sea charging the big capacitor, which will be the reason for the KV production. With other words; 6 tanks circuits will produce more potential at the sharp gradient as 6 coils by themselves.

What we need to know is the units of Henry’s stored in the inductor in order to use then the proper equivalent uF cap values with the Inductor in the tank circuit for a resonant setup.

According the Watson picture using polarized caps would make sense then in this occasion, since inductors pass pulsated DC voltages. He probably used three caps in parallel per tank circuit to get the proper capacity!

[nvisser]

Here are more information on this machine from the bearden website:The Tom Bearden Website
He calls it Bedini's Battery-Popper Motor
I quote:
Let me warn you that you must use microwave switching techniques, and you must switch in 5 nanoseconds or less; one nanosecond is better. The entire overpotential is likely to be over in about 20 to 40 nanoseconds, depending upon the specific battery, load, and other circuit conditions. Capacitance effects may extend this in some cases up to a microsecond. So if all you know is ordinary motor switching, go get the services of a microwave switching engineer first. The average motor switching fellow will be amazed at the notion of switching so suddenly. The microwave switching engineer will simply shrug his shoulders and say, "Piece of cake!" He does that every day without a second's hesitation.
But as you can see, working your way through all this and getting everything timed just right, is still a significant undertaking. It's not a simple thing at all. You can also see why so many ordinary switching guys have failed at it, and why most of them were incapable of replicating John Bedini's little battery-popping self-powered motor system

[baroutologos]

how the watchon machine could work

I have read Peter Linerman views regarding the Watchon machine and i think i can understand the principles he mentions.

I have also read the book and have seen many photos of the watchon machine and I cannot help but parallel it in function and appearance to the Thane Heins Perepiteia motor. (google it for those who do not know this)

I also have read comments from Mr Linderman regarding perepiteia motor that more or less he suggests that it is not something unsual about it. I agree to a degree.

Anyway, my personal view is that the energizer of the Watchon machine or Bedini FEG and the perepiteia rotor-coil system (apart from the motor) is one and the same thing.
It all has to do with high volatge generation consequenctly high impedance coils, low amp creation (consequently), high magnet frequency passing over coil, and BEMF manipulation.

I can always be wrong

Regards,
Baroutologos

[nvisser]

Hi Baroutologos
Do you mean a high resistance coil(800 ohm) with thousands of turns of about 27 awg wire. It will generate a much higher voltage than the 200 turn ,20awg wire that bedini recommends! The thick wire that he recommends confuse me a bit into thinking that he was charching with more current
Bedini also said in his booklet: “When struck by a sharp voltage spike, the electrolyte in the battery will resonate at a certain frequency and this can also force the ions back”
If we use a smaller popper cap of 3.3 uf it will charge up to a high voltage very fast. When using brushes and a commutator the time interval for charging will be very short and a big capacitor will not charge up enough.
It seems like Watson built his machine different than Bedini as what I read on Panacea suggest that he used a 1800uf cap . Bedini also said in one of his videos that the Watson machine relays clicked about once every second which suggest to me that the big cap needed time to charge up.
If we use the method like Cody explained on this thread on 04/05/2009 where he short the coil when the sine wave reach it`s peak so that we have a field collaps that cause a huge voltage spike, similar to bemf on the ssg, it will maybe be possible to charge a big cap up quickly. I haven’t tried it yet
It seems as if the Watson way used lager caps with more current while bedini used high voltage , charged up very quickly on a smaller cap to only produce the sharp voltage spike with not a lot of current involved. Correct me if I’m wrong
I would appreciate any thoughts on this

[Hoppy]

Hi Baroutologos
Do you mean a high resistance coil(800 ohm) with thousands of turns of about 27 awg wire. It will generate a much higher voltage than the 200 turn ,20awg wire that bedini recommends! The thick wire that he recommends confuse me a bit into thinking that he was charching with more current
Bedini also said in his booklet: “When struck by a sharp voltage spike, the electrolyte in the battery will resonate at a certain frequency and this can also force the ions back”
If we use a smaller popper cap of 3.3 uf it will charge up to a high voltage very fast. When using brushes and a commutator the time interval for charging will be very short and a big capacitor will not charge up enough.
It seems like Watson built his machine different than Bedini as what I read on Panacea suggest that he used a 1800uf cap . Bedini also said in one of his videos that the Watson machine relays clicked about once every second which suggest to me that the big cap needed time to charge up.
If we use the method like Cody explained on this thread on 04/05/2009 where he short the coil when the sine wave reach it`s peak so that we have a field collaps that cause a huge voltage spike, similar to bemf on the ssg, it will maybe be possible to charge a big cap up quickly. I haven’t tried it yet
It seems as if the Watson way used lager caps with more current while bedini used high voltage , charged up very quickly on a smaller cap to only produce the sharp voltage spike with not a lot of current involved. Correct me if I’m wrong
I would appreciate any thoughts on this

My experience of cap pulsing is that a one second discharge gives adequate time for the battery bank to absorb the charge. I would imagine that given the cap values suggested by Panacea, the Watson Machine charged these caps to a fairly high voltage before dumping. Lead acid batteries charge more efficiently as charging current is increased and the peak pulse current from these caps would have been very high, so a fast charge ('cold boil') as reported is not surprising. It was not until much more recently that John Bedini found that although it was possible to rapid charge batteries using very high voltage / energy pulses, damage could easily result and Bedini now advocates just a few volts over for dumping the caps to battery to avoid 'slamming' them (his term).

My opinion is that very fast and efficient charging can be had from a big high energy pulse energiser despite the energiser itself being electrically very inneficient. Sufficient relaxation time is needed between pulses and I think it may be necessary to include very short discharge pulses alongside every high energy charging pulse to prevent over-potentialising the battery bank. This high energy charging approach may be the only way to see any real overall front-to-back efficiency in the system.

Hoppy

[baroutologos]

My view on watchon machine

Hi Baroutologos
Do you mean a high resistance coil(800 ohm) with thousands of turns of about 27 awg wire. It will generate a much higher voltage than the 200 turn ,20awg wire that bedini recommendsI would appreciate any thoughts on this

I am not expert in the field and my knowledge in electrical art is limited compared to the masters of the kind.

Nevertheless, i know that a high impedance coil and consequently a high resistance one, in a generator mode that has finer wire and thousands of turns will create many times the voltage compare to 200 turns 20 awg.

Please note that i am not speaking about pulsing, only mormal sine wave generation.

I do not want to speak out theories, wild theorizing, armchair inventing etc, but I THINK that the energizer setup of Mr Bedini resembles a magneto ( i think he has said so), in the sense that with enough rotor RPM and coil impedance (it is not 200 turns of 20agw as you say, but 6 x 250 turns all in phase i.e. one large coil of 1500 turns) you have a small delayed current generated by high volatge and followed by a spike (?) that goes to cap.

If fast rpm enough the delayed current + spike is not posing any drag on the rotor but could assist its movement. (best case)

I cannot figure out about ringing the battery or ions going backwards, but it does seem to me a Lenz'less law generator.

Anyway, no intention to play the smart one. Experimenting will tell.

Regards
Baroutologos

[vzon17]

Building a FEG with a lindemann attraction motor.

I am in the middle of building one myself. the drive motor will be a Peter Lindemann attraction motor I am building. already got a shaved rotor and the stator windings wound in there and some ball bearings installed and got a flywheel as well. but it needs to be turned on a lathe to straighten it out. Its made from a 4 inch cast iron caster wheel. The moter I used was an old 12 Volt blower motor from a truck it has a long shaft out one end.

I may take some pictures at some point of all the parts, next step is rigging up the reed switch to run the motor.
I would the stator of the motor by hand and used 24 gauge wire bifilar wound. 87 doubel winds on each stator. So maybe I can have a couple extra coils there collecting the magnetic field collapse.

Tried running it with just a reed switch but it didn't run. Reed switch kept sticking as soon as I applied power. So I have to rig up a switching circuit. I plan on using a solid state relay and have the reed switch activate the relay to apply power to the coils. I still have to figure out which way to hook up the coils since there are two of them. I may have one backwards.

[Sephiroth]

Reviving an older thread

I just noticed the similarities between one of my current builds and the Watson machine... I'll definitely be experimenting with it in the future...

Based on John Stout's comments in Panacea's PDF, I'm pretty confidant that the capacitors were being charged in series and then being discharged in parallel. That would halve the drag being put on the energizer for the amount of energy that was being recovered... no?

[nvisser]

Brilliant idea. The switching would be like in this circuit
http://www.anomalies.net/archive/Kee...s/FLEXFLO1.GIF
Ignore C1 and S4 and the battery
If you use 2 caps of value c uf
In series the capacitance will be 0.5C uf and in parralel 2C uf
The charge (energy) in Coulombs Q = C.V
For series = 0.5 C.V
For parralel = 2CV
If I am not mistaken it is 4 times the energy that was taken from the energizer that goes to the battery!! ???
Can you refer me to the Panacea's PDF that you talk about

[Sephiroth]

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Joh...Technology.pdf

I don't believe you will get more energy by discharging in parellel though you will get greater charge when discharging.

the best thing is that the generator coil always sees high voltage so it output little current, thus very little drag on the rotor. But it is outputting the same power, just at a higher voltage.

We can then regauge the voltage to high current/low voltage by discharging the caps in parellel, which will better charge the batteries.

So batteries recieve same charge, but with half the drag on the rotor.

[Sephiroth]

good bit of info in this thread about the difference in charge between caps in parallel and series

Conservation of Charge violated?

[baroutologos]

vissie vissie, such mistakes are of noob nature my friend. You cannot that easy gain energy from 3 caps.

Regards,
Baroutologos

[Sephiroth]

vissie vissie, such mistakes are of noob nature my friend. You cannot that easy gain energy from 3 caps.

Regards,
Baroutologos

I don't understand what you mean. It isn't a gain in energy... it is a gain in charge.