Faraday's Generator

[Stealth]

Did Tesla use Faraday's generator design to build an over unity generating
device? If so, where can I get a copy of it. Here is one such page, but doesn't show Tesla's design influence on it. Over-Unity Faraday Generator Page
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[broli]

I don't think so. I looked that one up since I'm in the same boat lately and I think all Tesla did was replace the commutator by a conducting belt that goes to another rotor. Since I want as much people talking about the homopolar motor as possible I advice you to visit my thread.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...otor-idea.html

What I concluded now is that instead of rotating the conductor you should let the magnet causing the magnetic field rotate. This is simply Newton's third law. Magnet pushes on wire but wire pushes back on magnet. If you fixate one the other will rotate.

Why people haven't come up with this baffles me. Maybe magnets in Faraday's time were too heavy and/or too weak in his time to see this. Because when the magnet is rotating there's no changing field from the conductors viewpoint. This is what Faraday has shown and is called the Faraday paradox. Thus current remains constant which equates to a constant torque no matter what velocity the rotor is spinning. A conducting disk homopolar motor goes to zero torque as the disk speeds up because the faster it spins the bugger the counter voltage becomes untill it turns the current 0.

I'm going to go to a university where I'm officially a student (but never go to classes) and trick the professor in answering this conclusion himself.

[Electrotek]

Did Tesla use Faraday's generator design to build an over unity generating
device? If so, where can I get a copy of it. Here is one such page, but doesn't show Tesla's design influence on it. Over-Unity Faraday Generator Page
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Tesla said that his Faraday Generator would be self powering with a wire which had a conductivity 50 times greater than that of copper.

New polymers are thousands of times better than copper, so we should have some breakthroughs before long.

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[Electrotek]

I don't think so. I looked that one up since I'm in the same boat lately and I think all Tesla did was replace the commutator by a conducting belt that goes to another rotor. Since I want as much people talking about the homopolar motor as possible I advice you to visit my thread.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...otor-idea.html

What I concluded now is that instead of rotating the conductor you should let the magnet causing the magnetic field rotate. This is simply Newton's third law. Magnet pushes on wire but wire pushes back on magnet. If you fixate one the other will rotate.

Why people haven't come up with this baffles me. Maybe magnets in Faraday's time were too heavy and/or too weak in his time to see this. Because when the magnet is rotating there's no changing field from the conductors viewpoint. This is what Faraday has shown and is called the Faraday paradox. Thus current remains constant which equates to a constant torque no matter what velocity the rotor is spinning. A conducting disk homopolar motor goes to zero torque as the disk speeds up because the faster it spins the bugger the counter voltage becomes untill it turns the current 0.

I'm going to go to a university where I'm officially a student (but never go to classes) and trick the professor in answering this conclusion himself.

A Homopolar Motor will work even when the magnet is glued to the metal disc, with both rotating in sync. This is because the field of a magnet which rotates around its axis stays anchored in space and doesn't rotate with the magnet. In this situation, the disc which is rotating with the magnet does cut the lines of flux.

edit: One application of the Homopolar Motor is to power a Rail Gun. In this case, when the circuit is closed, extracting the energy of rotation in the form of a heavy pulse torques the motor to a stop - in less than one revolution.

[barbosi]

Tesla said that his Faraday Generator would be self powering with a wire which had a conductivity 50 times greater than that of copper.

Can you provide a reference please?
Regards.

[Electrotek]

Can you provide a reference please?
Regards.

Sorry, I don't have time to at the moment. This is the time of day when I do my surfing. But it is something I've read. If I run across it in the next day or two, I'll post it.

You might find it with a google search.

[broli]

A Homopolar Motor will work even when the magnet is glued to the metal disc, with both rotating in sync. This is because the field of a magnet which rotates around its axis stays anchored in space and doesn't rotate with the magnet. In this situation, the disc which is rotating with the magnet does cut the lines of flux.

edit: One application of the Homopolar Motor is to power a Rail Gun. In this case, when the circuit is closed, extracting the energy of rotation in the form of a heavy pulse torques the motor to a stop - in less than one revolution.

Electrotek this has been been bugging me for over a month now. The fact that the magnet rotates with the conductor. This mean there's is no newton's third law pushing the magnet in the other direction resulting into no rotation at all when glued together. But very basic experiments show otherwise.

Do you understand the implications? I have been searching for the recoil of a rail gun for a few days with no luck. Imagine that instead of the base of the rail gun recoiling... it would go WITH the conducting wire. This instantly gives you a current defendant unidirectional force that can be used for all you fantasies.

But currently I am assuming newton's third law to hold. In the analogy of the rail gun. Instead of moving the conducting piece of wires...you let the whole rail which provide the magnetic field move and hold the wire stationary. I hope that makes sense. Because if this works there's no movement of conductor in a magnetic field and thus no counter voltage arises in the wire.

[boguslaw]

Electrotek this has been been bugging me for over a month now. The fact that the magnet rotates with the conductor. This mean there's is no newton's third law pushing the magnet in the other direction resulting into no rotation at all when glued together. But very basic experiments show otherwise.

Do you understand the implications? I have been searching for the recoil of a rail gun for a few days with no luck. Imagine that instead of the base of the rail gun recoiling... it would go WITH the conducting wire. This instantly gives you a current defendant unidirectional force that can be used for all you fantasies.

But currently I am assuming newton's third law to hold. In the analogy of the rail gun. Instead of moving the conducting piece of wires...you let the whole rail which provide the magnetic field move and hold the wire stationary. I hope that makes sense. Because if this works there's no movement of conductor in a magnetic field and thus no counter voltage arises in the wire.

Sorry,I don't understand. I comprehend Faraday dynamo asa closed path circuit, like probably Tesla did.Most of generated currents are circulating inside disc generating only heat. The output is probably due to centrifugal forces on electrons. Magnetic field does not rotate with magnet but copper disc have different speed between shaft and edge. Bigger disc - bigger difference, higher speed higher centrifugal force.

Rotating magnet around disc doesn't produce centrifugal force on metal disc.It would be easy to proof - magnet glued to disc forced to move with high speed in straight line should not generate current between centre and edge of disc.

[broli]

boguslaw, your post is a bit confusing so let us both be on the same page first. The workings of the homopolar motor rests on this principle.

Magnetic Force on a Current-carrying Wire

or the experiment itself...

YouTube - MIT Physics Demo -- Jumping Wire

Now what these don't show or mention is the fact there's a reaction force. This is newton's third law. Which means that the wire pushes the magnets back. But since in most these experiments the magnets are massive and fixed it's not important. But if you set up an experiemnt where the wire was fixed and the magnet allowed to move you'll see the magnets move due a predictable force I believe. If this does not happen then newton's third law is violated and one can immediately have anti gravity tech.

If this isn't violated and the magnets get pushed by the same force but in opposite direction then the concept can be applied to a circular setup. Like the homopolar motor. By allowing the magnets to move with this reaction force instead of the wire.

I hop that clears things up.

[boguslaw]

boguslaw, your post is a bit confusing so let us both be on the same page first. The workings of the homopolar motor rests on this principle.

Magnetic Force on a Current-carrying Wire

or the experiment itself...

YouTube - MIT Physics Demo -- Jumping Wire

Now what these don't show or mention is the fact there's a reaction force. This is newton's third law. Which means that the wire pushes the magnets back. But since in most these experiments the magnets are massive and fixed it's not important. But if you set up an experiemnt where the wire was fixed and the magnet allowed to move you'll see the magnets move due a predictable force I believe. If this does not happen then newton's third law is violated and one can immediately have anti gravity tech.

If this isn't violated and the magnets get pushed by the same force but in opposite direction then the concept can be applied to a circular setup. Like the homopolar motor. By allowing the magnets to move with this reaction force instead of the wire.

I hop that clears things up.

BOTH !

Newton's third law is not violated and we could build BOTH antigravity sourcer and free energy dynamo.Except that sourcer will work only when external magneic field is available which has a lot or energy density as a whole, thus even weak one but of great capacity like Earth magnetic field or interspace solar field.I think that's magnetic field which is repeled NOT magnet specifically.

[boguslaw]

Steven Mark TPU = betatron !

Cyclotron

[broli]

I know nothing and am not in a hurry to know anything about the TPU right now. I just want to find out whether there's a reaction force or not. And whether the many contraptions I drew work as illustrated.

[Electrotek]

Rail Gun Recoil

Electrotek this has been been bugging me for over a month now. The fact that the magnet rotates with the conductor. This mean there's is no newton's third law pushing the magnet in the other direction resulting into no rotation at all when glued together. But very basic experiments show otherwise.

Do you understand the implications? I have been searching for the recoil of a rail gun for a few days with no luck. Imagine that instead of the base of the rail gun recoiling... it would go WITH the conducting wire. This instantly gives you a current defendant unidirectional force that can be used for all you fantasies.

But currently I am assuming newton's third law to hold. In the analogy of the rail gun. Instead of moving the conducting piece of wires...you let the whole rail which provide the magnetic field move and hold the wire stationary. I hope that makes sense. Because if this works there's no movement of conductor in a magnetic field and thus no counter voltage arises in the wire.

A Rail Gun can be used as a Space Drive, since there is a recoil. Here's a paper which deals with the recoil, as well as various other longitudinal effects:

http://www.df.lth.se/~snorkelf/LongitudinalMSc.pdf

[broli]

A Rail Gun can be used as a Space Drive, since there is a recoil. Here's a paper which deals with the recoil, as well as various other longitudinal effects:

http://www.df.lth.se/~snorkelf/LongitudinalMSc.pdf

Thanks, very cool paper. It clarifies more than I was looking for. One that caught my eye was the water explosion experiment. Also the water jet engine seems very cool and simple.

Thanks for this share.

[Stealth]

I found some more of the info I was searching for, but not all of it. Here is the website http://home-earthlink.net/~drestinblack/generator.htm This shows some of Tesla's experiments with the Faraday generator. He was claiming over unity for more then one of the designs on this page.