High Voltage from Thin Air?

[Bodkins]

YouTube - I dont have a clue but its fun(tuning)


is this how to tune?
not got the battery yet to start testing

also this one is what im up to at the mo
YouTube - sec on a old sofa

love the picture CF

[ren]

If you guys need a product designer I'm down. I also do graphic design, logo's, 3d modeling, etc.

Hey me too Freezer Photoshop and Macromedia Freehand, no 3d stuff though.

Dont worry about your voltage going down. When you play around with lead acids enough you get a feel for how they are reacting. Its perfectly normal to lose a little upon startup, the important part is that it doesnt keep ticking down. LAB's have a discharge curve where you might see it holding for along time at a set voltage anyway. Its usually in the "meat" of it, 50% to 70% charged state. My 12v batts will power a decent load and hang on for along time in the 12.2-12.3 voltage range. Despite resting at up to 12.8, any load will cause them to fall to 12.6 fairly quickly, until they hit their "meaty" section. Not a very technical term I know, but study your battery long enough and you will probably find a voltage range at which it drains best.


Some discharge graphs would be very cool for this I reckon. Probably end up looking more like a horizontal line in most cases!

Regards

[Inquorate]

Poor man's spectrum analyser a reality

Don't forget the peak in the near infinity light using the sec is 13mhz. Here it's about 10.5 ish

YouTube - poor man's spectrum analyser becomes reality

Love and light

[Inquorate]

RF

A question for someone with a commercial spectrum analyser:

What's the amplitude of the peak frequency given off by the sec?

I expected to see much more than millivolts even after being amplified by the mpsa06 transistor and a 3v battery bank.

I am left wondering if the combined frequencies are enough to light an led off a spare tower, because if not, there's more proof that the communications via towers isn't due entirely to the RF.

Love and light.

[Shamus]

Cumulative Time (Hours): 116.75
Cumulative Voltage Change: -0.19V

[CosmicFarmer]

Hours : 37
Volt loss : .10
voltage: 6.15

Lost .04 over the night, I think my battery is out of its "meat" charge.

Does anyone have accurate c/20 for 6volts? I have a basic one.
6.3=100%
6.2=75%
6.1=50%
6.0=25%

Only up to 1 decimal, and I found some nice long ones for 12 volts.

Stopping at 6.1 volts and shortening wires out. Came up with a better design that uses shorter wires and you still get a movable head, and want to see if that increases battery life, even though I like the idea of a snakelike flashlight sec.


Also, for the 18-1 open system, I made a coherence panel of 174 LED's, and it wont light :-(. I think I shouldn't have clipped the leads from the LED's, stealing the extra mass in the back, or I am not exciting enough mass. I need to find a giant metal something. Does it have to be smooth? Can it be a piece of slag? Hahaha...

[Lidmotor]

5 Day test results

@All
My 5 day test of the NILS 6 volt is over and here are the results. The voltages were taken every 12 hours.

6.49v------ START 10-20-09 1900
6.39v 0700
6.36v
6.32v
6.33v
6.30v
6.30v
6.27v
6.26v
6.23v
6.23v------END 10-15-09 1900

Net loss of .26 volts on 4.5Amp Hr. 6 volt SLA

Lidmotor

[Shamus]

@Doc: I think it's safe to say that you've been vindicated. The technology works; full report is forthcoming.

[Lattice333]

Additional Test

@Replicators

I think you have clearly established that the near infinity circuit powers the 9 LEDs for a long time (days).

The next question is how much longer does it run with the SEC than without it?

I set out to confirm this by creating a non SEC circuit. I placed 9 LEDs in parallel then added sufficient resistors to limit the current to that drawn by the SEC circuit.

I then charged both batteries to the same start voltage and ran the SEC circuit and the non SEC circuit in parallel and compared the battery voltage fall over time. My test was run on 12v rather than 6v so I will not muddy the water by thowing in my results. Still I was surprised by the result. Has anyone else tried a control test llike this on 6volts?

NI SEC18-1 Test 003.jpg

[CosmicFarmer]

@ Lat-
6 volts wouldn't even power 2 led's with a 3.3 vf breakover. You would need to have a stack of em a mile high like lidmotor showed with the 9 volts.

I have done the formula for 18 volts that he mentions on the scribd document for the 18-1 and I had no idea what henrys the coils were and my meter for that purpose got ruined with chlorophyll in the airport... So I did a little highschool math and found out that I had to use 17 on the + and 8 on the -, and using formula on the Dr's document, got a number for a vf of 3.1, which was lower then the previous batch of LEDs I had received, and I winded up having to use 17 leds on the + side, almost 1 superbright per input volt, with 18-1 setup as he's got it now. Make your own stuff, and plug your numbers in that formula.

Right now I think dueling 9volts is the way to go, because its a small enough battery for a amazingly brilliant light, I have 25 leds all lit full brightness using the NILS modification and I can put the thing in my pocket. All this needs is a nice case around it and your set. The LEDs are sort of sloppy, I have them in a chain, and I dont know where to put so many LEDs!

I will get some pictures as soon as I can find my camera! Atleast I have enough LIGHT...

Does any one have a c/20 rate for rechargeable 9volt batteries?

MMmmmm.... wireless battery recharge.... aaaahhhhh


Allright heres a little data on the circuit

Started with 2 freshly mailed batteries, ran for 3 hours, stopped.

top @ 8.96 , 8.43
botm@ 8.91 , 8.40
Run @ 17.38 , 16.72
about .2 volts an hour.

Still bright. Stopping test because of c/20 ignorance and guessing dangerously low volts.
Need a recharge .

avg volts 17.05 taking a supposed .1 amp makes this thing a 1.7 watt hour device? or is my math all wrong because its 3 in the morning? I don't know how can you measure the wattage with that brightness? Maybe I should grok more of the videos on this topic already... but it sure is efficient.

[CosmicFarmer]

NILS L E D MOHAWK!!!!

[DrStiffler]

@Replicators

I think you have clearly established that the near infinity circuit powers the 9 LEDs for a long time (days).

The next question is how much longer does it run with the SEC than without it?

I set out to confirm this by creating a non SEC circuit. I placed 9 LEDs in parallel then added sufficient resistors to limit the current to that drawn by the SEC circuit.

I then charged both batteries to the same start voltage and ran the SEC circuit and the non SEC circuit in parallel and compared the battery voltage fall over time. My test was run on 12v rather than 6v so I will not muddy the water by thowing in my results. Still I was surprised by the result. Has anyone else tried a control test llike this on 6volts?

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@Lattice333

Well why waste our time if you do not want to 'As You Say' (Muddy the Waters). If you have not done a replication then you have nothing to compare with and need no interject innuendo.

Give it up 'Lattice', sorry your unable to do the replications the rest are able to do.

[DrStiffler]

Battery Spec Sheet

Someone ask about the spec on the 6v 4.5Ahr battery?

It can be found here

http://www.staabbattery.com/mm5/grap...df/UB645-V.pdf

[CosmicFarmer]

62 hours into "Little beam's father" experiment battery has hit the 6.09 mark where I will disconnect it and recharge.

50 hours and .16 volt drop. Impressive. Next test I must start with full batteries! then I might get a week of on-time.

Time(hour) Volts
-----------------
0 : 6.25
2 : 6.22
4 : 6.22
5 : 6.22
9 : 6.21
14 : 6.20
21 : 6.19
22 : 6.20
25 : 6.18
26 : 6.18
28 : 6.18
37 : 6.15
------------
41 : 6.17
50 : 6.12
62 : 6.09


At the dashed line, the circuit was disconnected from the battery for less then an hour. The time off was not counted.

I have this instant graph I made from the web.



Pretty much straight discharge curve if you average out the .15 - .17 bump and that anomalous gain in the beginning. Possibly could work for a week if fully charged.

Personally its good to know what the "Control" would do, direct conventional current vs the new stuff, and that information is handy to have in your pocket when demonstrating something new to someone. I don't know how long a 6volt battery would last lighting all these LED's, knowing how it could barely do 2 shorted acrost the terminals. Throw in some inductive collapse and 555 timer, and maybe you can light more, but not in the same way. I think it would be neat to have a stiffler LED, Tesla inductive collapse LED driver, and a DC battery pile all side to side to see which one lasts longer. I bet this style would outlast.

Interesting to note that amp draw diminishes ALOT when you touch the wires going from LEDs to battery junction, the more you touch the leads, the lower the amp draw, and I can get it down to .01 amps on my clamp. However if you touch the other end, the single excited wire, amp draw goes UP....

Dr Stiffler, could you please explain that to me?
Cheers

[CosmicFarmer]

sorry for spamming the board with all this stuff but I made a video for those people who like videos

YouTube - 3 SEC's "The Three Stooges"

the 3 stooges - 3 working SEC's and different mods you might want to try.